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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:37 PM Dec 2015

Judge Orders Deadlocked Jury To Keep Deliberating In Freddie Gray Case

Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

By The Associated Press
on December 15, 2015 at 4:02 PM, updated December 15, 2015 at 4:03 PM

BALTIMORE — Jurors in the manslaughter trial of a police officer charged in the death of Freddie Gray said Tuesday (Dec. 15) they were deadlocked, but the judge overseeing the case told them to keep deliberating.

The jury sent a note to Baltimore Circuit Judge Barry Williams after about nine hours of discussions over two days. It wasn't clear if they were stuck on one or more of the four charges Officer William Porter faces. He is the first of six officers to stand trial in Gray's death.

As the jury deliberated, armored vehicles and police were stationed around the city, and officials promised they were prepared for any unrest. Last spring, parts of the city were burned and looted as frustrations grew over the police department's alleged mistreatment of blacks.

The note about being deadlocked was jurors' fifth on Tuesday. Later in the afternoon, they told the judge they would deliberate until 5:30 p.m. EST before going home for the evening.


Read more: http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2015/12/judge_orders_deadlocked_jury_t.html

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Judge Orders Deadlocked Jury To Keep Deliberating In Freddie Gray Case (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2015 OP
There is always at least one idiot that believes Delver Rootnose Dec 2015 #1
The defense looks the the authoritarian, always ready to not second guess a cop. NutmegYankee Dec 2015 #2
Those instructions to keep deliberating Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2015 #3
0% Bernin Dec 2015 #4
No Problem - Use Majority Vote LarryNM Dec 2015 #5
I know I'm in the minority, but I dislike the jury system Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2015 #6
LOL pocoloco Dec 2015 #7
I absolutely am Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2015 #8
Good Ideas ! n/t LarryNM Dec 2015 #9
UPDATE - Judge declares Hung Jury brooklynite Dec 2015 #10

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
2. The defense looks the the authoritarian, always ready to not second guess a cop.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:47 PM
Dec 2015

It's the main reason so few cops are convicted.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
3. Those instructions to keep deliberating
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:17 PM
Dec 2015

are called a blockbuster charge, or an Allen charge, at least in Texas.

It basically says you guys are wasting the time of all the people on the county payroll, not just the judge, and that if you guys stay deadlocked and declare a mistrial, we will have to start all over with a new jury hearing the exact same evidence, the implication being this trial will cost twice as much as it should have.

From what I heard they had some lesser included offenses like negligent manslaughter, which should be easy to prove. In that it wasn't necessarily what was done to him at first that would have killed him, that caused the whole body paralysis, that it was failure to do what needed to be done that would have been negligent manslaughter rather than intentional first degree murder. So at least that would be good to get a conviction of some sort for the prosecution.

LarryNM

(493 posts)
5. No Problem - Use Majority Vote
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:07 PM
Dec 2015

Would not be a problem if jury had an odd number of jurors and went with majority vote.
I Know. That is a privilege reserved for the elite (SCOTUS, US District Courts, etc.),
not for the peons who must "serve".

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
6. I know I'm in the minority, but I dislike the jury system
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:53 PM
Dec 2015

I'd prefer either 3-5 judge panels, or a pool of professional jurors made up of paralegals, retired attorneys, etc. So much time is wasted picking juries, and they bring external pressures to get back home, back to work, etc. I'm sure the desire not to be responsible for riots has to be in these folks minds.I'd prefer learned professionals made these decisions. I know - it's just me.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
8. I absolutely am
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:19 AM
Dec 2015

I've served on jury duty many times. I think it's frightening that we let 6 - 12 people off of the streets with little to no knowledge of the legal system decide trials. Like I said - I realize that I'm in the minority.

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