Like Big Eddie (Ed Schultz) likes to quote from someone else "He's a 2 fisted Democrat!"

Burn Burnie Burn!!!

Now it becomes very clear why Democrats get plastered every midterm election. The DNC refuses to disprove the stereotype of Democrats being disorganized lightweights.


The lightweights they are, the DNC is more interested in battling its own candidates than the GOP? This is the straw that breaks the camel's back for me with the DNC, they will not get another dime unless they fire Debbie and reverse this partisan database decision.

They are on notice. LOL

fing evil. Truly, the worst of the worst. From undermining Bernie's campaign at every opportunity, losing the midterm elections, and supporting the for-profit prison industry, to helping repug candidates who were her "personal friends" beat Democrats and sabotaging efforts to bring medical marijuana to Florida because the bill's sponsor, Attorney John Morgan, called her a "bully"; petty Debbie Wasserman Schultz is about the worst thing to ever happen to the DNC.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a37542/dnc-chairperson/

So it's "We didn't do anything wrong, but we fired the guy who did it anyway."

and you're responding with a blatant attempt to destroy us."

Now watch it boomerang, like every other dirty trick Hillary's team has tried.

do'h. this is gonna get ugly very fast. Anyone with any computer knowledge will accept it's a bug and fix it. DNC didn't do that and didn't fix it when it was first told about it and it wasn't today.

Pretty obvious either HRC, DWS, or both were behind this effort to smear the Sanders campaign. It will have the desired effect, but people are going to see it for what it is: dirty politics. Well, maybe we'll have our first female president after all: Carly Fiorina?

You can use facts to prove ANYTHING!

You realize contradicting the vendor who actually built and run this system is not helpful, right?

did do something improper, right?

Thanks in advance.

That said, NGPVAN has jumped around a few times on data being downloaded that anything further they say should be taken with a lot of salt.

First they say that no data was downloaded with one possible exception. The next, they say that it would be impossible for anyone to download data. Finally, they say - despite just before saying its impossible - that data may or may not have been downloaded. Given how many times they've flopped on the potential for a data download in one statement, any logical person would admit that anything further they say should be taken with a lot of salt.

The DNC is wanting to save face given that they were the ones who selected this company to oversee the datas safety - Their position is made even worse with the complaints about how closely tied they are with Hillarys campaign, so them hiring a company founded in part by one of Hillarys previous staffers, and then that company making this large of a mistake, will have them scouring for a scapegoat.

The Sanders campaign though came right out and admitted that some of their people did - as a result of NGPVANs fuckup - access some of HRC campaign data and that he was fired as a result of it. They outright admitted their part in this entire debacle, something that the DNC refuses to do.

Rather then admit to making a mistake though, they decided to scapegoat one of the two groups that played a part in this - And rather then place the blame on NGPVAN, as they were the ones who allowed for the data breach, they are trying to place the entirety of the blame on the Sanders campaign. This is perhaps the WORST thing they could do for reasons I already outlined above. The fact that NGPVAN has admitted to dropping the ball just make the DNC still maintaining their total lockout against the Sanders campaign come off even worse.

I don't know if the Clinton campaign has put out a official statement, but given the ties the 08 campaign had with one of NGPVANs founders, it'll most likely make this situation even more of a mess then it already is.

The DNC is alienating a portion of their voting base by scapegoating Sanders rather then taking NGPVAN to task for their fuckup. They need to backtrack on what they've done, otherwise they might just be GIVING this election to the Republicans on a silver, no, a golden platter.

It's pretty easy to say 'I was wrong' and self delete.

But the IT vendor already stated the data could be seen but not copied or downloaded. So you can either believe incompetent DWS or Hillary's IT vendor from 2008. Not a good choice to face.

I love it.sue DNC

about the firewall two months ago. The DNC said they would "fix it", but obviously it wasn't. To shut down access to their own campaign is unprecedented. Shame on them! And thank you for your post, think!

The vendor is responsible for the flaw in the system.

Bernie is guilty?

...and planned to spring it just prior to the debate.

Way too much crossover from DNC to Clinton campaign.

She's a cancer.

And that's what we want for leadership--clear, decisive, no spin, no nonsense--just competence!


Let's see what Hillary has to say about it.......

is really gonna get looked at by the Conservatives now. smh

Denying him access to his own data is thievery and not unlike the stopping of votes in the year 2000 in Florida. Some people will do anything to guarantee the coronation of their candidate. The DNC should remember that Bernie had - and still has - the option of running as an Independent. If that happens, there definitely will not be a President Clinton being sworn in next time around. Or a President Sanders.

as a newly-minted Independent.

Before I might not have, but this really has me ticked off.

If the DNC/DWS/HC camp won't play fair then a third party run is in order. Call it the True Democratic Party. "TDP" and leave these DINOS aka Wall Street backed 1%ers to try and draw a real distinction between them and the Bushes.

I'll write Bernie in.

I decided for myself that if Hillary wins the primary I will know that it was not honestly won but by "sewing up" the "superdelegates". Therefore I will write in Bernie. I vote every 2 years and so should everybody. We need to clean up the down ticket.

It is applied to cases where government agents suck people into committing a crime that they would not have committed were it not for the actions of the government. Technically, for a number of reasons, this can't be that, but I have to wonder if there is any chance that a trap was laid with a goal of providing a justification to freeze out the Sanders campaign from it's own data. I'm not saying it's likely, but given the track record of this DNC I don't rule it out.

I smelled it immediately. The timing is particularly telling. The day before the debate.

Thanks for the thread, think.

Hopefully this will be discussed further in the upcoming debate safely hidden away by DWS on a Saturday...

Under the circumstances considering there are many Democrats questioning the bipartisanship of DWS, Obama should fire her and reappoint Howard Dean.

There's has to be some honest lawyers left in the DOJ..

It's up to the Dem party voters.. If the party loses all credibility they'll people will continue to leave the party... I guess they can continue on depending on Wall Street and global corporations to fund their elections.. But how many people are going to bother to show up at the polls to support this kind of corruption?

mood of the country right now.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Thanks Debbie! You are finally helping the Bernie campaign, albeit unintentionally.

With a nice plug for the debate.

Just crazy how we're fighting our own side!

this primary is corporations, bankers and the 1% vs the people.

But it's a healthy sign that the base just may win back the party.

We fought hard and won to jettison Rahm and get Howard Dean to head the party.


Obama changed that (back).

UnidosConBernie

OMG, if the Hillary camp did this there would be calls for her to be prosecuted and sent to prison, perhaps even deported. She'd be accused of personally orchestrating the breach.

Personally, I don't think there was any malice or intent on Sanders part from him personally. I doubt he even knew about it until it was pointed out to him after the fact. I believe it was simply an exploitation of an unexpected breach/bug in the software - simple as that.

The DNC never would have blocked her access to their data and the story would never have been leaked.

The blog post here: http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

Two statements:

and her DNC allies aren't busy pouring over all the names of Sanders' supporters right now.

Expect to be getting pro-Hillary mailings and e-mails really soon...

They are flip sides of the same coin. I wish he would take his libertarian supporters and go & do his independent thing, and leave us the f**k alone.

is Bernie Sanders now officially a Democrat? If not, why is he allowed to run for the Dem nomination, rather than as an Independent?

I actually loathe him, along with his libertarian/green "supporters".

Dino are people that run as Democrats and vote like Republicans. You know like Blue Dogs and Third Way Democrats.

We don't have a word yet for a guy like Bernie who runs independent but is more progressive than 75% of the Democratic party.

from "Democrats".

That Bernie personally stole data from fellow Democrats. Of course you also misused the word 'DINO' or tried to redefine it in order to spin... so yeah...

Think you might want to do a retraction or is fibbing acceptable?

makes him a "Democrat in Name Only" AFAIC. He has prided himself for decades that he was separate and apart from the Democratic party, and because he needed access to our resources & infrastructure, he decided to "name" himself a "Democrat". He is the epitome of a DINO.

All your carping aside, doesn't change the fact that BS is not a "Democrat".

I know the actual definition of DINO

It was a label applied to the DLC sorts back in the day, the Blue Dogs, and the Third Way. It describes people that run as Democrats and vote like Republicans.


Were you planning on continuing to misuse that term?

The word "DINO" has been in the lexicon for over a decade. You don't just get to decide that it means something else. You are wrong and all the spin, smileys, and emoticons in the world will not somehow allow you to Rove your way out of this.

Bored now.

Clearly you don't care about the facts. You just are here to get a rise out of people.

But, my concern about Bernie remains. Regardless of his progressive credentials, if he is not an actual member of the Democratic party, how can he be the Dem nominee? He hasn't taken an oath of loyalty, has he? However, if he is not a party member, he cannot, by definition, be a DINO.

Divisive as hell, too.

that includes access to democratic voter data. He and his team are scum, just like Nader. When a candidate and his supporters do nothing but attack the very institutions, while taking full advantage of the institution's vast resources, there is much more at play than meets the eye.



Here's my prediction: By the time this is all over, Ralph Nader will no longer be the most reviled man on the left.

They're already viewed as outsiders to the party. Then they steal some proprietary data and then lawsuits? Breathtaking.

Flood the DNC with Democratic rebuke! If everyone who is posting on DU about this underhanded dirty work by DWS calls and/or emails the DNC.. attention will be paid. Call the DNC regarding their suspension of Votebuilder access for the Bernie Sanders campaign! You can leave a message/complaint at 1-202-863-8000 or email them at info@democrats.org.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz just pushed me over the fence. See ya Hillary! What can I do to help Bernie? I don't give a shit what Debbie wants..... I'm really f**king tired of the DNC under he reign.

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That's what Jane Sanders did after she was caught overstating assets on Burlington College's balance sheet to support a loan application. History repeats itself.

excuse to deny access to the data by an apposing candidate.

Nope nothing fraudulant about that.

Gotta hand it to Bernie he has the grit to be a president

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....and manipulate for their own specific use.

If it were their own data, why would they store it in the DNC database?

They're looking for scapegoats outside of their own campaign to impugn.

It belongs to the candidates and their campaigns, and was bought and paid for by campaigns donations.

Black eyes don't appear to matter to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

as stuff is flying in every direction. Probably best to let the dust settle a bit and see what happens/happened.

That said, since so many are tossing out hypotheticals here, I have one:

If this had been a Hillary staffer that had done this, would the DNC have barred her campaign from using the data?

Bring it!

a good, old-fashioned circular firing squad for a long while...

Sanders was heading into the debates with some MAJOR victories.

As each day goes by I get more and more sure about my support for Hillary Clinton, and I started as a Bernie supporter.

I can't believe Bernie himself is willing to throw the election if he can't win it. But his supporters appear perfectly willing to do so.

Bernie's fans are this election's PUMAs, ironically.