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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:06 AM Dec 2015

State-Level Brawls Over Medicaid Reflect Divide in G.O.P.

Source: NY Times

WASHINGTON — John Thune of South Dakota, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, voted earlier this month to repeal major provisions of the Affordable Care Act and to end its expansion of Medicaid, arguing that the health law was “unpopular and unaffordable.”
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A week later, his state’s Republican governor, Dennis Daugaard, announced that he wanted to make 55,000 additional South Dakota residents eligible for Medicaid under the law.

“I know many South Dakotans are skeptical about expanding Medicaid, and I share some of those sentiments,” Mr. Daugaard said. “It bothers me that some people who can work will become more dependent on government.”

“But,” Mr. Daugaard said, “we also have to remember those who would benefit, such as the single mother of three who simply cannot work enough hours to exceed the poverty line for her family.”

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us/politics/state-level-brawls-over-medicaid-reflect-wider-war-in-gop.html?emc=edit_th_20151228&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=46529169&_r=0

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State-Level Brawls Over Medicaid Reflect Divide in G.O.P. (Original Post) LiberalElite Dec 2015 OP
There are 2 realities: Washington, DC reality and on-the-ground reality. Vinca Dec 2015 #1
Even when Members of Congress visit their districts, they're kept in a bubble. bulloney Dec 2015 #4
Exactly and the people who contact them are usually of their jwirr Dec 2015 #9
When will we stop seeing the Government as our enemy? tecelote Dec 2015 #2
When? SmittynMo Dec 2015 #3
+1! The ones promoting the government is the enemy idea are those that don't want oversight. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #7
And do not forget raygun. He did not want the terrible jwirr Dec 2015 #10
+1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #13
These actions shows how unprofessional the politicians are. They don't have the rladdi Dec 2015 #5
I think looking at Paul Ryans voting record pretty much casts your words in granite. trillion Dec 2015 #6
What our good friends in the GOP don't realize mountain grammy Dec 2015 #8
Maybe don't WANT to realize, Granny? Hortensis Dec 2015 #14
you are so right, people are ruined by medical debt mountain grammy Dec 2015 #15
It'd be nice to have you in the group pricking out Hortensis Dec 2015 #16
How obvious does it have to be? Hit you in the face? That is exactly what the GOP vkkv Dec 2015 #11
for some weird reason Republicans like VERY sick people to crawl into emergency rooms & use state$$$ Sunlei Dec 2015 #12
It is not about poor families the GOP are worried abut, it is their hospital owners who are hurting. vinny9698 Dec 2015 #17

Vinca

(50,300 posts)
1. There are 2 realities: Washington, DC reality and on-the-ground reality.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:00 AM
Dec 2015

The governor has obviously seen or heard of a need for Medicaid expansion in the state. Thune ought to visit it once in awhile

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
4. Even when Members of Congress visit their districts, they're kept in a bubble.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:14 AM
Dec 2015

While home, they're usually addressing a RW group's meeting, where the echo chamber is loud and clear. It's groups like Chamber of Commerce, Right to Life, Farm Bureau and other RW groups.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. Exactly and the people who contact them are usually of their
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:35 PM
Dec 2015

own party. Plus they really do not want to learn the truth because it does not fit with their philosophy.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
2. When will we stop seeing the Government as our enemy?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:05 AM
Dec 2015

Lincoln's famous words:

"...that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
3. When?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:12 AM
Dec 2015

Never!!!, As long as the GOP is still in existence, the government will continue to be our enemy. It's quite sickening.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
7. +1! The ones promoting the government is the enemy idea are those that don't want oversight.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:59 AM
Dec 2015

They don't want the government to rein in their lawlessness.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. And do not forget raygun. He did not want the terrible
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:43 PM
Dec 2015

government helping all those welfare queens. When they see government as the enemy they are overlooking what it does for them.

I was raised by a father who every April 15 would explain to us kids all the things we get from government - roads, school buses, schools, libraries, snow removal, ect. Unfortunately many of our churches also teach that the government is our enemy.

rladdi

(581 posts)
5. These actions shows how unprofessional the politicians are. They don't have the
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:42 AM
Dec 2015

background or knowledge to make, or pass bills. Republicans don't want people to get well or be able to seek medical help. Republicans prefer death over life, except for the unborn. That is why the voters need to select a party that really cares about all life.. Defeat the GOP in 2016 or they will defeat you if they win. It is the party of destruction.

mountain grammy

(26,642 posts)
8. What our good friends in the GOP don't realize
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 11:05 AM
Dec 2015

is many people can't work because they are sick, and they can't afford to get well.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Maybe don't WANT to realize, Granny?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Dec 2015

They say it's about individual freedom and responsibility, and mean it; but in practice these days just who they believe is "responsible" and deserving of the freedoms of opportunity they supposedly earned for themselves is too often tied to the amount of money they have.

I've read that this time last century and during the Great Depression this conservative contempt for those who suffered economic downturns wasn't so strong. People could be ruined economically and still be accepted as responsible citizens by their communities. It changed with the development of wide-spread safety net programs and the subsequent conservative fallacy that America is chock full of people who'd prefer languishing in poverty on welfare to working.

Now it's to the point where many hide being ruined even by medical bills because they're ashamed of having fallen among the great undeserving. Often their neighbors don't really know why they moved away.

mountain grammy

(26,642 posts)
15. you are so right, people are ruined by medical debt
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:33 PM
Dec 2015

and yet conservatives believe that no one is actually denied medical care and we can have a fund raiser to take care of that. For the conservatives in my area, fund raisers are great social events, and they don't raise enough funds for one hour of intensive care.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. It'd be nice to have you in the group pricking out
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:57 PM
Dec 2015

plants at the arboretum. We could exchange brief glances while our friends chatted happily about their charitable activities.

We're, most of us, VERY conservative and very devout here, and there are a lot of charitable activities that do real good. But like your fundraisers, by far most local need goes unmet by them, leaving the rest of America to address it through those nasty big-government programs, no begging for assistance in church required.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
11. How obvious does it have to be? Hit you in the face? That is exactly what the GOP
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:20 PM
Dec 2015

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seems to respond to. A hit in the face.. that's what Trump is from the other side.


Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
12. for some weird reason Republicans like VERY sick people to crawl into emergency rooms & use state$$$
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:25 PM
Dec 2015

what is it Republicans? "more profit" to try to care for very sick,near death persons instead of preventative care?

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
17. It is not about poor families the GOP are worried abut, it is their hospital owners who are hurting.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 11:25 PM
Dec 2015

The GOP are worried that hospitals are shutting down because they can not get access to the Medicaid money and the AFCA has cut way back on covering uninsured in the ER.
It is always about the bottom dollar for the GOP, their donors bottom dollar.

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