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muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:17 PM Jan 2016

Islamic State holding estimated 3,500 slaves in Iraq, says UN

Source: The Guardian

Islamic State militants have enslaved an estimated 3,500 people in Iraq, primarily women and children from the Yazidi community, a UN report says.

The report says the terror group has committed atrocities in Iraq that may amount to war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.
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It tallies the staggering toll on civilians over the past two years, documenting 18,802 deaths, the wounding of more than 36,000 people and the displacement of 3.2 million inside the country, including more than a million children of school age.
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It says the UN has information about the murder of child soldiers and has verified reports suggesting 800 to 900 children in Mosul have been abducted for military and religious training.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/19/islamic-state-holding-estimated-3500-slaves-in-iraq-says-un

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Islamic State holding estimated 3,500 slaves in Iraq, says UN (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2016 OP
We can't wipe out this scourge fast enough. n/t tabasco Jan 2016 #1
Nope. Igel Jan 2016 #2
being shocked or not - this scum should be irradicated along with anyone else who supports slavery. MariaThinks Jan 2016 #5
We're actively helping them EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #3
this makes we very angry. We should send everything we have and destroy these sobs at once. MariaThinks Jan 2016 #4
how about we tell our allies to stop funding them and Turkey to stop buying their oil? yurbud Jan 2016 #6
The problem is bigger than ISIS maxsolomon Jan 2016 #7

Igel

(35,359 posts)
2. Nope.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

I think of them as reversionist, though. Slavery was a big part of Islamic culture from 700 through, in some places, into the 1900s. Slaves were taken from southern, SE, and central Europe, from S. Asia, from Africa. It weakened Kievan Rus' before the Golden Horde's onslaught, terrorized western Europe, and the total number of slaves from Africa exceeded, almost certainly, the total number in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. The Russian poet Pushkin's grandfather was a black slave from, IIRC, Ethiopa given to Peter I by the Ottoman sultan in the early 1700s. There was a subgenre of English-language literature in the mid-late 1700s that dealt with Brits (and Americans) taken hostage or enslaved by Muslims in N. Africa.

They are to a large extent what a large portion of the faith community has been at times. Not always, not everywhere. But to be shocked at IS is to just show a lack of awareness of Islamic history. We focus on one extreme and mis-generalize based on that narrow focus; that's as big a mistake as focusing on the other extreme.

We wouldn't make that mistake with Xianity. We often seem to insist on that mistake when dealing with Islam.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
5. being shocked or not - this scum should be irradicated along with anyone else who supports slavery.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jan 2016

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
3. We're actively helping them
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jan 2016

In Yemen

"The conflict has produced another bitter legacy: a new branch of the Islamic State that has quietly grown in strength and appears determined to distinguish itself as Yemen’s most disruptive and brutal force, carrying out attacks considered too extreme even by the country’s branch of Al Qaeda."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/world/middleeast/islamic-state-gains-strength-in-yemen-rivaling-al-qaeda.html?_r=0

Saudi and Yemen tried for years to ethnically cleanse the Shia from Northern Yemen... doing horrible things in the process, like killing MANY women and children. Many of those bombs dropped we supplied to SA by the US.

This failed.

The Houthi, once just a minority, became rebels (you'd probably be one too if people kept trying to kill you and your family based on nothing but your religion). Those rebels attacked the capital - as you would - and took it over, and launched a campaign of installing Shia where Sunni was once dominate (mosques for instance) and ferreting out government corruption.

Saudi wouldn't let this stand, so they asked Britian and the US to help them bomb the crap out of the capital of Yemen, and the largest port. They also set up a naval blockade, mostly enforced by the US, which is responsible for - literally - starving millions of women and children. It is ongoing.

The Sunni elite that were expelled from the capital have dumped their money into al Qaeda and ISIS, who the Houthi are fighting daily. Every bomb we drop on the Houthis helps al Qaeda and ISIS.

But if it makes you feel any better, we at sold them the bombs we're helping them use... we sold billions of dollars of weapons to Saudi just this year...

And the reason most American's don't know any of this, is because SA has spent millions on Lobbying and PR. Their main lobbying/PR firm is Podesta Group, which is owned by Tony and John Podesta. Tony is one of the biggest lobbyists in DC. He's also one of the biggest Democratic fundraising bundlers. His brother John is the Chairman of the Clinton campaign.

Good times.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
6. how about we tell our allies to stop funding them and Turkey to stop buying their oil?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jan 2016

without money, these guys won't hold on to power long, and that approach wouldn't end up killing the slaves, rape victims, and others we'd supposedly be trying to liberate.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
7. The problem is bigger than ISIS
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016

When we overthrew Saddam, we removed the Sunni from power in the area. ISIS now represents them, and the split between Sunni and Shia (who now govern Iraq) and the Sunni Arab and the Iraqi Kurds has become toxic.

ISIS is the point of the spear. Attack them en masse, you attack all Sunnis in Iraq and Syria. They are Fundamentalists; but they're abetted by the remnants of Saddam's Baathist military. Who were the Sunni resistance against our Occupation. Its a sticky wicket.

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