Something with which I and Abbas agree.

She spent a summer working with the UN War Crimes Tribunal in Sierra Leone. The ones who trained, brainwashed and drugged the child soldiers to commit every atrocity imaginable were almost never caught.

The Israelis are illegally in Palestine, while abusing them, stealing from them, and murdering the Palestinians.

I wonder how Americans would behave under such conditions? Actually I don't wonder. We wouldn't treat our slave-masters well at all. Apparently brown people are supposed to accept their fate imposed on them by the white man.

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and pro self-defense. The Israelis that are in Palestine have no right to be there and enter at their own risk. Americans would never put up with that evil crap, and neither do brown people.

How are the Palestinians supposed to defend themselves against the Israelis and the US? There is absolutely nothing they can do to improve their lot against their far right-wing enemy with a US supported military.

Your response indicates you are totally clueless what is going on in illegally occupied Palestine. The Palestinians are being dispossessed by the illegal usurpers, creating an oppressive apartheid governmental system, with the goal of taking all of the land – leaving the Palestinians with nothing.

This is what the Palestinians have to regularly put up with:

Palestinians than the Shia being oppressed by the Sunnis and vice versa, the Chinese subjugation of Mongolia, the North Korean oppression of everyone in their country, the Yazidis, and the oppression of Christians in many Middle East countries?

legitimate critique from those like me who are further left than he is. I've actually broken with a couple Socialist comrades over Sanders' stance on IP issues. I respect their positions, but I am hoping Sanders will evolve on the issue once in office.

You have a better idea?

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Jordan to the Mediterranean, said state founded on the principle of one person, one vote, with issues like right of return and reparations to be decided at a later date

Gee, what a great idea.

I'm sure Hamas, Islamic Jihad and friends would just immediately look for some respectable 9-5 jobs, pay taxes, and be wonderful citizens side-by-side with their Jewish friends.

I slightly suspected it was an actress, trying to portray Israelis settlers in a bad way. I guess when you feel your upper hand will never go away, you don't ever worry about putting up any pretense for the cameras.

But to get back to the topic, I truly hope the Palestinians find a way to manage their suffering in such a way that it leads to liberty and peace, with the least amount of violence.

Metal Jacket." The Israelis should take note of the age of their adversary and do some deep soul-searching.

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I don't understand the source of our disagreement on this issue.

means they deem effective and necessary.

IOW, illegal occupations are a worse evil than child irregulars.

I don't believe we will convince one another but I'm certainly willing to continue batting the ball back and forth.

....while you're armed with a gun.

Palestine was making incredible head way with many countries recognizing it is a county, and then the stabbings started a few months ago. All these stabbings are doing is getting Palestinians killed and tarnishing their name. I mean, yes Israel has done mass war crimes to them, but this stabbing campaign does not help Palestine.

that a reason for not doing the stabbings is that they are murder and immoral. His only concern was that it leads to harm to the stabbers. (Although he would likely sympathize with the concern that it might not help for PR purposes).

But as we say, the Palestinians simply can't afford to have a conscience.

Well, those of us who don't fit the profile of Donald Trump supporters don't say that kind of racist drivel.

our British boys IS IMMORAL AND MURDER. Gasp! Hand me the smelling salts!

Wow.

In IP lingo it's called "maintaining the status quo"

See the conflict is supposed to be resolved through negotiations, not unilateral actions. Moreover the Palestinians and Israelis have worked out security arrangements in the WB so the PA is party to the occupation.

negotiations," then why won't that likudnik nutob Netanyahoo negotiate? His unilateral refusal to negotiate renders justified any and all acts of resistance.

It's the newest game of the Palestinians, they got Netanyahu to release prisoners in 2013 in order to facilitate talks and the PA fucked him, they let the negotiation deadline expire.

Even with that, Netanyahu has still indicated a willingness to talk without preconditions:


Benjamin Netanyahu 'Ready' to Open Negotiations With Palestinians
By Jack Moore On 9/10/15 at 2:00 PM

http://europe.newsweek.com/benjamin-netanyahu-ready-open-negotiations-palestinians-332785

morning when you wake up? Keep telling yourself that Netanyahoo wants negotiations. Just don't tell it to me or anyone with two functioning brain cells.

Because you reject the compromise the UN made almost 70 fucking years ago.

Get help.

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British cops deal with knife attacks without shooting every day. Obviously, they are just waiting for a pretext to kill.

(not even a bulletproof vest), you could rush and tackle a rock thrower without risk of serious injury.

of the most advanced militaries in the world and pushing out the original inhabitants.

If a full-sized man was running at you with a knife, you might have a point.

If a soldier can see a 13 year old girl coming at him with a knife, he should be able to deal with that with little risk to himself.

no less armed with a knife. It's far easier to pontificate about about alternatives from the comfort of your computer or suggest Hollywood-level tactics than it is to react in real time, including not knowing other factors such as did the girl have any companions or even a suicide explosive belt.

Your comment about Israel "not merely defending itself" is also most perplexing in the context of this discussion. Your appear to be suggesting the Israelis, civilians or soldiers, are somehow morally obligated to not defend themselves if lethally attacked. If that's your implication, it's not only ludicrous, but actually implicitly excuses or justifies terrorist conduct.

all an Israeli has to say is they had a knife and poof the killing is justified

and attempted stabbing, many of which occurred on video and/or before numerous witnesses, were all figments of everyone's imagination?

Here's a piece of advice to pass on. If you don't want people to be jumpy and reactive about potential stabbings, it would be prudent to stop stabbing Israelis and running at them with knives.

You also didn't address the primary point. If a Palestinian attacks an Israeli soldier or civilian with a lethal weapon such as a knife or gun, do you believe that Israeli has a right to self-defense? Yes or No.

I'm 36 yr old and can benchpress my own weight. I consider myself to be in the best physical shape of my life right now.

And there's no way in hell I'd go up against anyone with a large knife, even "only" a 13-yr old girl, without at least a baseball bat or other heavy object to swing around.

Baton? Fuck that shit. Taser? You get ONE shot, and only when they're inside the 20 ft operating range.

Knives are lethal. Knives can penetrate a Kevlar vest that will stop a shotgun blast. A lucky stab to the throat, chest, thigh, groin, etc and you'll bleed out before they can get you to a hospital. Do not underestimate the danger a determined attacker with a knife can pose.

You know what's in your legs? Femoral arteries...

You why you shoot someone? They are a threat to your life and your goal is to stop it...

As long as you are wishing why not just ask him to shoot the knife out of her hand...


Criminy...

And a pox on whoever ordered this young girl to carry out that attack.

Besides, at age 14, people know that it is unacceptable to stab someone, and if the victim is armed, you'll likely get shot. The soldier was also not exactly in a position to check the child's identification while she was running at someone with a knife.

How would you suggest someone de-escalate a situation of someone actively trying to stab someone without unnecessarily risking your own life or another innocent?

The only people morally or legally responsible for this girl's death are the girl and anyone who helped or encouraged her attack.

Try to stab a trained, armed soldier your going to get shot. That's easy math.

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a heavily armed soldier is NOT easy math.

And hence, will remain un-examined by the simplistic mind. Roots of problems are far more difficult for the shallow to point fingers at and judge.

That seems to be the rationale for why people take similar actions that they know will most likely result in their death.

righteous cause.

as in, "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country."

I know it has gone out of style here, what with Cheney and his other priorities and all. But some emerging nations still cleave to such quaint And obsolete notions.

she had been arguing with her family is in the article

The poor child