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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 07:54 PM Feb 2016

Leader of Marine helicopter squadron fired days before crash

Source: Associated Press

Leader of Marine helicopter squadron fired days before crash

Audrey Mcavoy, Associated Press

Updated 4:54 pm, Monday, February 1, 2016

HONOLULU (AP) — A Marine general fired the commander of a Hawaii helicopter squadron days before two of the unit's helicopters crashed and killed all 12 Marines on board.

Brig. Gen. Russell Sanborn, commander of the 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, lost confidence in the ability of Lt. Col. Edward Pavelka to lead Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 463, Marine spokesman 1st Lt. Joseph Butterfield said Monday.

Butterfield said in a statement he wouldn't release further details because they may become relevant to ongoing investigations.

Pavelka was relieved on Jan. 11. Two aircraft from the squadron crashed on Jan. 14. The 12 men aboard haven't been found. Pavelka was replaced by Lt. Col. Eric Purcell, who spoke at a Jan. 22 memorial for the Marines.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Leader-of-Marine-helicopter-squadron-fired-days-6798803.php

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Leader of Marine helicopter squadron fired days before crash (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2016 OP
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! Here's to guardian angels. forest444 Feb 2016 #1
Two ways to look at this: edgineered Feb 2016 #2
If a Lt Col got fired mid-tour, I'm guessing #2 (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #7
Most likely, edgineered Feb 2016 #8
+1 SkyDaddy7 Feb 2016 #9
Third way: He was relieved for something else that has nothing to do with helicopters. Angleae Feb 2016 #10
Politics. tazkcmo Feb 2016 #11
Oh, does that bring back some interesting stories! edgineered Feb 2016 #12
Wow, interesting benld74 Feb 2016 #3
sabatoge one way or the other hopemountain Feb 2016 #4
"How could they crash into one another?" You ask- James48 Feb 2016 #5
thanks. nt hopemountain Feb 2016 #6

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
2. Two ways to look at this:
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

1) Pavelka may have been keeping his pilots in check somehow, perhaps by demanding they follow exact protocol. With his firing they may have been flying in the manner they felt was denied them.

2) Pavelka may have been lax, allowing his pilots free rein, resulting in their actions being outside protocol. With a system of inadequate training under his command it was a matter of time before an accident happened.

Without being there it is hard to say and without the input of the deceased pilots anything the military says is only a guess.

Angleae

(4,487 posts)
10. Third way: He was relieved for something else that has nothing to do with helicopters.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:09 AM
Feb 2016

Usually due to some kind of personal conduct (sex, booze, money, etc.)

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
11. Politics.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:09 AM
Feb 2016

We'll file this under your third way category. The higher up you go the more political it becomes. Disagreements occur and disagree with the wrong politically connected superior officer and you're career is over.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
12. Oh, does that bring back some interesting stories!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:11 AM
Feb 2016

Stories that are best not told in public - let's not discredit the entire institution.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
4. sabatoge one way or the other
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

is not unlikely - either foreign or domestic. otherwise, how could two helicopters crash simultaneously or into one another?

James48

(4,436 posts)
5. "How could they crash into one another?" You ask-
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

It's a lot easier to crash than not to crash- all that has to happen is for one of the two pilots to fly a little too close to the other one.

This crash happened at night= over the ocean. Flying at night over the ocean, in close formation, is certainly not easy.

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