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OneAngryDemocrat

(2,060 posts)
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:04 AM Jun 2012

NC Legislators Propose Banning Prediction of Sea Rise

Source: Scientific American

Recently an NC scientific panel determined we should prepare for a 1 meter rise in sea level by 2100. A risky proposition for the NC coastal low lands. The estimate was considered conservative as other east coast states like Maine and Florida have their own estimates as high as 2 meters. For certain parties though, that estimate is too threatening to economic development and therefore needs revising.

The key language is in section 2, paragraph e, talking about rates of sea level rise: “These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly. …” It goes on, but there’s the core: North Carolina legislators have decided that the way to make exponential increases in sea level rise – caused by those inconvenient feedback loops we keep hearing about from scientists – go away is to make it against the law to extrapolate exponential; we can only extrapolate along a line predicted by previous sea level rises.

Which, yes, is exactly like saying, do not predict tomorrow’s weather based on radar images of a hurricane swirling offshore, moving west towards us with 60-mph winds and ten inches of rain. Predict the weather based on the last two weeks of fair weather with gentle breezes towards the east. Don’t use radar and barometers; use the Farmer’s Almanac and what grandpa remembers.



Read more: http://www.newraleigh.com/article/nc-legistlators-propose-banning-prediction-of-sea-rise/



Not that anyone out there needed any more anecdotal evidence to show just how demented and warped the radical right is, but...
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NC Legislators Propose Banning Prediction of Sea Rise (Original Post) OneAngryDemocrat Jun 2012 OP
In a completely unrelated story, legislators found to be buying land in higher elevations of N.C. freshwest Jun 2012 #1
I wonder how much developed real-estate will have to be bailed-out literally & how much of that patrice Jun 2012 #2
... and whether any of that has anything to do with this ban. nt patrice Jun 2012 #3
It has everything to do with this ban. Another writer said: freshwest Jun 2012 #26
Perhaps the North Carolians should start a avebury Jun 2012 #15
Watch for flood insurance to increase again like a few years ago FailureToCommunicate Jun 2012 #18
Denial is not just a river in Egypt! edcantor Jun 2012 #4
they have just "legalized" denial.....unreal. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #25
The crown has made it clear: the climate must be perfect all the year ashling Jun 2012 #5
I think the citizens should move the Legislature about a 1/2 mile inland from the coast. jtuck004 Jun 2012 #6
Out on the Barrier Islands... WCGreen Jun 2012 #7
Leadership <G>. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2012 #8
AWESOME idea, you know . . . since nothing's happenin' to those Barrier Islands anyway. patrice Jun 2012 #28
+1 Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #39
How can there be such idiocy in control of so much of our country? Kablooie Jun 2012 #9
No coemdian can make this up cosmicone Jun 2012 #10
King Canute... Godot51 Jun 2012 #11
Marking to look that one up later. patrice Jun 2012 #29
The truth is getting... inconvenient. sofa king Jun 2012 #12
Well it sounds like how BLS measures unemployment and inflation. n/t fasttense Jun 2012 #13
The only comment at the link asks a good question... marions ghost Jun 2012 #14
Where's the Malleable Middle in all of this? WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2012 #21
The middle class rolls over, beaten down by the Bush economy marions ghost Jun 2012 #37
People are afraid of losing their jobs - and justly so. True story. nt patrice Jun 2012 #30
I can't believe this isn't the Onion! nt raccoon Jun 2012 #16
Yeah, really. BlueIris Jun 2012 #23
lol. GOP makes truth illegal. harun Jun 2012 #36
Leave it to my CRK7376 Jun 2012 #17
I'd love to quiz the NC legislators on the science behind this Enrique Jun 2012 #19
Well, ya know, SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #20
we have as much of the stupid here dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #27
Have you seen the forests of NEW skyscrapers in/around Miami?? & Cranes everywhere, building more. patrice Jun 2012 #31
No, I have not, don't travel much anymore. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #33
Can only guess. There's a brand new strip-mall a couple of blocks from my house that has NEVER been patrice Jun 2012 #34
Orrin Pilkey mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2012 #22
Stupid and corrupt; the abyss must literally be bottomless. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #24
a law that could have serious and disastrous consequences down the road. barbtries Jun 2012 #32
How many of those weasels own vacation property on the Cape Hatteras Evasporque Jun 2012 #35
Fine by me, let em ignore science and facts dinopipie Jun 2012 #38
Over a week later the assclowns are still trolling the SA site: Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #40

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
1. In a completely unrelated story, legislators found to be buying land in higher elevations of N.C.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:14 AM
Jun 2012

And selling their beachfront homes. But it has nothing to do with the liberal conspiracy theory story above. Move along folks, nothing to see here.



patrice

(47,992 posts)
2. I wonder how much developed real-estate will have to be bailed-out literally & how much of that
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:21 AM
Jun 2012

was Tax-Increment-Financed.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
26. It has everything to do with this ban. Another writer said:
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jun 2012
The single largest defect of modern conservatism is that it has ruined the nation. Conservatives do not have ideas; they have interests.

Conservatives are not “thinkers”; they are rationalizers who give an intellectual gloss to their belief that an alliance of predatory businesspeople and religious extremists should rule the rest of us.

The wreckage caused by modern conservatism lies all around us, and speaks for itself: If conservatism isn’t dead, it should be.

- DANIEL ROSEN - Washington Post 10/9/2009


http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-best-letter-to-the-editor-ever/question-883863/?page=2

I submit that every bill they author and pass into law is intended to profit them or their friends financially and inflict poverty on the rest of us, no matter what rhetoric they use to disguise it. Our poverty is also their gain, which some Democrats refuse to admit is a policy of the GOP. I admit that my assessment of their actions is harsh and may not be seen as fair, but would be going the false equivalency route if I was more generous. I don't know any Democrat who would do the things they do unless hoodwinked into the idea that it might save someone's life.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
15. Perhaps the North Carolians should start a
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:05 AM
Jun 2012

citizen initiated petition drive to put on the ballot a proposition that any future development of coastal lands will not be bailed-out (pardon the pun) by tax payers if it ends up underwater due to a raising coastline.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,020 posts)
18. Watch for flood insurance to increase again like a few years ago
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:22 AM
Jun 2012

Everybody pays so the rich -or foolhardy- can live by the beach.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
5. The crown has made it clear: the climate must be perfect all the year
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:40 AM
Jun 2012


It's true! It's true! The crown has made it clear.
The climate must be perfect all the year.


A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there's a legal limit to the snow here
In Camelot.
The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
In Camelot.
Camelot! Camelot!
I know it sounds a bit bizarre,
But in Camelot, Camelot
That's how conditions are.
The rain may never fall till after sundown.
By eight, the morning fog must disappear.
In short, there's simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.

Camelot! Camelot!
I know it gives a person pause,
But in Camelot, Camelot
Those are the legal laws.
The snow may never slush upon the hillside.
By nine p.m. the moonlight must appear.
In short, there's simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
6. I think the citizens should move the Legislature about a 1/2 mile inland from the coast.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:43 AM
Jun 2012


There won't be a problem. They have decreed it.

Godot51

(239 posts)
11. King Canute...
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:48 AM
Jun 2012

While it has been reported in more recent years that he got a bad rap, the King Canute of legend could easily preside over the North Carolina legislature...

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
14. The only comment at the link asks a good question...
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 08:22 AM
Jun 2012

"I can’t believe more people aren’t pissed about this. This is madness. We are banning scientific research! Has the anti-amendment 1 movement really burnt out all of the progressive people in North Carolina from further protests?"

Truth to that?

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
21. Where's the Malleable Middle in all of this?
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:53 AM
Jun 2012

The ones Obama values so highly?

To be honest, I'm still a little fried from 8 years of W, and Obama didn't deliver, IMO, the "hope and change" the country needed (but yes, he's better than McCain...). Then came the 2010 battle, which Rs won. Then came the Wake County School Board elections, in which Dems defeated a particularly nasty Teabagger for chairperson. Then there's fracking -- the Rs want to drill the ever-loving-shit out of this state. Then Amendment One. And Planned Parenthood and Occupy rallies. And those are just the biggies that are coming to mind. Oh, then there's preachers who think it's OK to beat gay children, and preachers who think homosexuals should be put behind electric fences. And a recent high-profile cross-burning. So yeah, the burden can't ALL be on "progressive people," even though we'll be out there, as usual...

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
37. The middle class rolls over, beaten down by the Bush economy
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:23 AM
Jun 2012

which is exactly where the Repugs want them.

Most people are under the delusion that they can't change anything using political means or protest. Because as you point out, they never see progress or winning--and they realize how hard progressives have to work to even stem the tide. Most people don't have that kind of time, and they don't want to be visible. They know you are as visible when you write LTE as when you stand in front of bulldozers. Nobody wants to stick their neck out for a cause.

Politics is hated by the middle class, especially the younger ones. I don't know what to do about that. People don't care about anything that (they think) doesn't touch them...they don't realize how everything political really does touch them. Easier to go back to sleep.

CRK7376

(2,203 posts)
17. Leave it to my
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:34 AM
Jun 2012

state to ban scientific extrapolation....IDIOTS! The rising sea level has nothing to do with why the Cape Hatteras Light House was moved back several hundred yards, nearly a 1/4 mile if I remember correctly, about 14 years ago. My wife has been going to the Outer Banks for the past 50 years and I have been going with her for about 20 of those years and for some silly reason we watch and observe yearly beach erosion. Nothing to do with rising sea levels, always some hurricane's fault or bad storm. Science proves nothing in NC. And to think we are throwing our money away to send one of our sons to UNCWilmington to study Marine Science....First I have to deal with a crazy nutjob Congress Critter by the name of Virginia Foxx and now a State House/Senate controlled by wacko non-science believing fruitcakes that voted in a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage....

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
19. I'd love to quiz the NC legislators on the science behind this
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:45 AM
Jun 2012

I bet the one thing they know about estimating sea levels is that this is what their greedhead bosses said to put in the bill.

 

SGMRTDARMY

(599 posts)
20. Well, ya know,
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:48 AM
Jun 2012

these asshats think that if no one talks about it, it doesn't exist right up until the water is at or in their house.

Teh stupid, it hurts.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
27. we have as much of the stupid here
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jun 2012

one of the Ala coast barrier islands is heavily developed, then Katrina cut it in half.
The home owners wanted to state to pay for all the sand to re-build the cut.
the island is like 4 feet above sea level!
And engineers have been warning for years about the increased erosion because of heavier storms.

Would you like to buy a 300,000.00 house there????

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edited to add Island owners attempt at denial: seawalls. very tiny seawalls, without permits from officials.
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patrice

(47,992 posts)
31. Have you seen the forests of NEW skyscrapers in/around Miami?? & Cranes everywhere, building more.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:16 PM
Jun 2012

TELL me there isn't FOREIGN money tied into that stuff.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
33. No, I have not, don't travel much anymore.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:22 PM
Jun 2012

do you think they will end with glut of buildings, like China?

patrice

(47,992 posts)
34. Can only guess. There's a brand new strip-mall a couple of blocks from my house that has NEVER been
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:36 PM
Jun 2012

occupied in something like 5+ years. There are franchise restaurants that build darling new resources and close them and move less than 2 years later, here. Not the same scale though and the possibility of foreign financial involvement is different and that's important, because it puts pressure on the disposition of the problem property, pressure that we have no control over.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,594 posts)
22. Orrin Pilkey
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:59 AM
Jun 2012
Orrin H. Pilkey

For years, he's been telling anyone who would listen about the foolishness of developing the North Carolina coast.

In other words, he's been ignored for years.

As an aside, his brother Walter taught at the UVa Engineering School.

barbtries

(28,810 posts)
32. a law that could have serious and disastrous consequences down the road.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:17 PM
Jun 2012

i can't believe they're doing this.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
35. How many of those weasels own vacation property on the Cape Hatteras
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jun 2012

So how much do you think property will be worth in 20 years if it is going to be underwater in 50 years...asshat-douchbaggery

 

dinopipie

(84 posts)
38. Fine by me, let em ignore science and facts
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:43 AM
Jun 2012

and they can suffer the consequences of their ignorant decision.

The smart people will take appropriate action as needed.

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