That coin toss might have made all the difference.

I wonder if any of them resulted in Hillary getting an additional delegate in the final count.

IT begins. . .the marginalizing of the Iowa Caucuses begins now!

Another aloof HRC supporter. Are we done eating each other? The real enemy is on the other side.

Try his victory speech tonight. I suspect the majority of Hillary supporters haven't listened to any of his speeches.
15 mins to fully get educated on who he is, then maybe you wouldn't be dissing his name.

Oh, and screw the environment and universal healthcare.

Lets keep education unaffordable, shall we?

Please tell us what you see in that woman that you'd give up an actual liberal that stands for the people, over?

So far as I can see, that is the main concern of the Clintonites. Since some of the most rabid GOP candidates are endorsing Sanders, it may be that they, too, think this. The idea of Mr Trump or Mr Cruz in the White House is far more disconcerting than the idea of Mrs Clinton there instead of Mr Sanders.

-- Mal

I would have never imagined a candidate for the Democratic primary coming out and saying that healthcare and higher education are NOT rights and not everybody should have access to them. It's sad.

I just don't understand why people vote for the 'No We Can't' candidate.

They tied, and should share the delegate count. Bernie is right. They should each get half of the delegates.

If they don't, this is going to be a Pyrrhic victory for Hillary.
She is going to be a laughing stock if she takes all the delegates when several of them were decided by a coin toss.

That's not winning an election. That is winning a gamble.

They should share the delegates. It makes Hillary look really bad if she does not share and she won with these coin tosses.

Unless these stories are fabricated.

Even so, Bernie really won. He started as an unknown and did so well. That is a win.

I note from the statistics that Hillary won, oddly enough among people with higher incomes, especially in suburbia and with members of minorities. That is the oddest mix I can think of.

That mix is bad news for Sanders. He tied in a state that heavily favors the demographics that work for him. New Hampshire is similar and he has "home court advantage".

Going to be an interesting couple of months.

She spent millions to get a tie in a state she was supposed to win.
If Bernie takes NH by the same margin next week, Clinton will claim victory. I dont see why Iowa isnt one for Bernie

Your assumption that she was "supposed to win" is based only on Clinton's early lead. Reality says that Iowa and New Hampshire are states that favor Sanders. By a large margin.

If the demographics in the Iowa caucuses hold true nationally (which can not be predicted, of course) Sanders will lose. Irrational claims on what a campaign might say won't change that.


Personally, I think both are vastly superior to their GOP rivals.

and she was supposed to win that demographic. Enough of the excuses.

And by the numbers she did win. The excuses I'm seeing are all about pretending that second place is a victory.

I don't support either candidate. I do support reality.

You aren't in reality as much as you think.

At the convention, the candidate with more delegates will win. That is reality. I'm not predicting who will win, I'm stating facts at this time. And they do not support a "Sanders win."

699.57 delegates and Sanders received 697.77 delegates.

Since this was a given Hillary state to win, I think she lost. Yes she got more delegates, but she got FAR less than she should have.,

got more raw votes. Anyway, it's a victory for Bernie coming from 30 point s behind to pull into a virtual tie.

Bernie Sanders has called on the Democratic party to release a raw vote count in Iowa after a nail-biting finish left lingering doubts over the first, much tighter-than-expected, clash with Hillary Clinton for the presidential nomination.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/02/bernie-sanders-requests-vote-count-tight-finish-iowa-caucus-clinton

mail out ballots to all Dem. members and let the chips fall where they may. Caucus for party platform and local issues, but candidates should be decided by votes.

The dissing of the Iowa Caucus has begun. (A coin toss may be the ONLY way that Hi11ary gets a delegate in Iowa.)

One Lucky Woman!

Don't Google and cheat, just answer!

It was ridiculous. The woman "explaining the rules" in her out of breath state with strict attitude, while technically correct, didn't help matters.

But that's how caucuses are. Ridiculous shows of local political fervor.

by motivating them to go to an all day event and debate. It brings new people into the process. I'd object if most states did this, but having a few do this gives someone like Sanders an opportunity to get out the new vote.

And taking votes is how we do it in a representative democracy. Now, on to the next state, and the next after that.

Democracy is the worst form of government ever devised. Except for all the others.

They started at 7PM. And most are done within an hour or so. Depends on how much people want gab about platforms. If there are not a lot of local contested races, it can be over in 30 minutes.

In primaries, people can participate at any time of day, and the winner is the candidate with the majority of state-wide support.

'Cause tails never fails.



They should have done rock/paper/scissors or armwrestled for it.

(I think Bernie might pull it out in spite of this, but yeah it stinks.)

a democratic way to decide an election. They should each get half of the election if that's the way it goes when the coin toss results are thrown out and those delegates are divided equally.

But don't let it get ya down. Yes, they'll all be able to say "Hillary won Iowa" this morning, but they'll also have to say it was a squeaker and they won't be able to avoid saying who came in second. I've already heard it mentioned on NPR that it was so close they had to toss a coin in many places. Most people who are just now starting to pay attention probably expected a Hillary win in Iowa since they've only been listening to the MSM. What will be news to them is how close it was and that some guy they've never heard of came in a close second. They'll be wondering why they haven't heard of him, and doing some research or asking co-workers and family.

Like Sanders says, this is just the start.

awarded three to each candidate, not all six to Hillary.

The coin tosses do not represent the clearly expressed intent of the voters. And elections should represent the clearly expressed intent of the voters.

There is no question that the votes were fifty-fifty before being decided by the coin tosses. Each of those votes should be allocated fifty-fifty to each candidate.

Coin tosses may have been an acceptable way to decide caucus outcomes in 1890, but today we should not do things that way.

The intent of the voters should be respected and should determine the outcome. And if it was a tie, then each candidate should get one-half of the delegates.

I kind of like that
Both candidates can ride into town on horseback
Check their irons at the door
Sit across from one another and play one hand winner take all

Well, to be honest to some people it is more important.

and further why caucuses are BS.

One precinct by itself doesn't select a delegate to the national convention, at least not as I understand things. Am I wrong? (I know this article does say "delegate" but I'm wondering whether that's just somewhat sloppy writing)

state convention. However, the number of delegates are fixed, they just choose people to go.

We had 13 delegates from our room of 89 people. If those numbers were the same for the national, there'd be hundreds of thousands of delegates at the national convention.

So basically, one delegate to the county convention was won by coin toss.

Some people seem to be reacting as if it were a national convention delegate decided by a toss, not a county convention slot. Thanks!

I hope they got the blessing and oversight of the county chair to do that, and the caucus voted on it.

for the election because the coin toss reflects the even division of the votes cast.

Deciding a delegate by a coin toss is just a horrible idea.

just lost in that caucus. The rest of us who do know can be very sick that wallstreet, war and TPP Hillary gets Iowa.

the white house.

If that wasn't clear I apologize.

Btw, the news is announcing Cruz won the Republican caucus. The only good thing aboutthat is hurting trumps ego. After that, it's really very very bad.

I might look good as a marauder, XD

/brightsideoflife

I guess we better hope Ohio, Florida and such states go the coin toss route and her luck streak holds out.

way to demolish your credibility

The chances of winning 6 coin tosses is 1/64. This is very unlikely.

it's very clear that Iowa Democrats need to go to a ballot like the Republicans. With a race as close as Sanders/Clinton, there has to be a way to do a bona fide recount.

But we knew that already.

-- Mal