Missing precinct scrambles to report Sanders won
Source: Des Moines Register
Votes from one precinct in Iowa were still missing Tuesday morning, and Democrats from that neighborhood were scrambling to find party officials so that they could report their tally: Bernie Sanders won by 2 delegates.
But the voters of Des Moines precinct No. 42 couldnt find anyone at Iowa Democratic Party to take their phone calls. The partys caucus hotline was no longer working. The party headquarters was locked.
Its important considering how close the race is. We need to be sure everyone has our accurate count, said Jill Joseph, a rank-and-file Democratic voter who backed Sanders in at No. 42 Monday night.
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It quickly raised questions about whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa. Sanders backers called for Iowa Democratic Party officials to release the raw vote totals.
Read more: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/some-democratic-precinct-results-unaccounted/79682184/
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I really miss Douglas Adams' wit.
AllyCat
(16,222 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)any other number, it couldn't have happened.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)All that is just is and all that is is God whose Being is made manifest by Being. What did you expect?
djean111
(14,255 posts)DWS has got the result she wanted.
Francis Booth
(162 posts)Botany
(70,581 posts).... why wasn't the office staffed last night and today? It snowed. So what?
A couple of cots and some food and the problem is solved. I would also like to
know if the businesses on either side of the Dem office were open today?
People and farmers have been going to work in the snow in Iowa in the winter
for years.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)AikidoSoul
(2,150 posts)KICKETY KICK HRC'S BUTT.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,457 posts)youceyec
(394 posts)Even if it all goes to Sanders he still falls short
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Because it shows the ethics of camp Hillary/DWS. It's foolish of said camp to have yet more distrust linger over her head.
People want and deserve to know.
If she can't win Iowa without this kind of thing, then the Dems have a big problem.
youceyec
(394 posts)but it will not make overall difference.
just reporting what is being reported:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141334411
zentrum
(9,865 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)NowSam
(1,252 posts)NEVER ever will she get my vote.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)good day.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Stating that your won't vote for the Democratic nominee in the general (if things should go that way) is not a winning strategy...
NowSam
(1,252 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)And nice knowing you if someone decides to alert (I won't). People have been banned for making that statement. Just saying.
mopinko
(70,214 posts)including asking them to sign a petition to that effect.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)You must be too comfortable to be hurt by disastrous republican policies, or still living on mom and dad's dime.
BTW - I support Sanders for the nomination.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)I vote for Bernie because:
Healthcare for all
Education for all
Public Prisons / not privatized
Legalized Marijuana
Veteran Care
Sensible Foreign Policy
No TPP
No Keystone Pipeline
Overhaul the corrupt Oligarchy run elections
$15 minimum Wage
Let's see:
Hillary recently said:
Single payer will never ever happen. She sounds like a Republican.
Students should still borrow for college. She sounds like a Republican.
She seems fine with privatized prison system. She sounds like a Republican.
Against the legalization of Marijuana. She sounds like a Republican.
She voted for the Iraq War. She voted with W - Very Imperialistic and Republicanesque.
For or against TPP? Depends on the day - Sometimes very Republican.
For or against Keystone? Depends on the hour. When she is for it she is sounding very Republican.
Overhaul Corrupt money in polictics? She gets most of her money from her Corporate sponsors. Very Republican-esque.
Not sure where she stand on minimum wage but I bet she stands with the bosses.
SO winning winning winning. Winning what? If We win but these policies don't change then what dod we win? A title? If she suddenly "moves" to the left should we believe her? How? How could we?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)NowSam
(1,252 posts)but a start. thanks.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)by not having a Republican POTUS appoint RBG's replacement.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I will never vote for Hillary. Never, ever, ever. Come what may. I will never vote for Hillary.
We deserve better than Hillary.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)that if Hillary wins the nomination I won't be voting for her or voting for president at all.
I couldn't in all good conscience vote for a person with her values.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)I HATE that we may end up WITHOUT a palatable choice to vote for. The sole aim we have to deal with now is to keep the faith and press forward with intensity for what we know is true and just.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)They go good with wine
Nitram
(22,877 posts)Take a couple of aspirin, drink plenty of liquids (!), and try not to do anything strenuous for a day or two. The delusions should weaken in a week or two. If they don't, an intervention may be required.
Response to Nitram (Reply #74)
Post removed
Nitram
(22,877 posts)...for the difficulty one late-reporting precinct had contacting their Iowa Democratic HQ. Are you equally deluded?
Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)you seem to dance away from the points listed.
I must be to think that your Queen isn't above cheating.
Nitram
(22,877 posts)...is absurd. Your list of reasons for why you hate HRC is irrelevant. But those suffering from HRC-hating syndrome wouldn't get that, would they?
Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)live with your choice, I guess.......
Nitram
(22,877 posts)Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)My candidate is an honest man.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)brett_jv
(1,245 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Maybe it was the reference to "conservativism" that did it, but hell, some DU posters even have "conservative" in their screen names
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)impossible, as shown by the numbers the State Party released early in the a.m. The missing precinct didn't contain enough votes to make up for the gap between Hillary and Bernie, no matter what the outcome.
The messiness of the process is built-in. It's the caucus system, not Hillary.
willingness to investigate matters. Not the outcome. The process matters. The aura of cover-up and sleight of hand matters.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)of close results before.
I tried to warn everyone before this that the results would be messy and unsatisfying. As long as Bernie won, no one seemed to care.
But I come from a caucus state like Iowa's, and I hate the system.
http://time.com/4172793/hillary-clinton-iowa-caucus-bernie-sanders/
The complicated rules of the caucus process are inherently tilted toward equalizing the strength of candidates, especially in a two person race. Only the number of delegates awarded in each precinct will be published on caucus night, which means there will be no official record of the candidates share of the voters at the caucusesa figure that will likely more closely mirror the pre-caucus polls.
As a result, Clinton will be at the mercy of a process little changed over generations, in which candidates can tie the delegate count, even if Clinton has far more support inside the room. If Sanders surprises with an upset, by bringing more caucus goers out, he will face a similar result, which looks more like a draw.
Heres how it works: Each of 1,681 precincts in the state is assigned a delegate count based on its relative strength of Democratic Party within that part of the state. To earn delegates, candidates are required to meet a threshold25% in two-delegate precincts to 15% in precincts with four or more delegatesin order to earn any delegates from each precinct. (The vast majority of precincts have four or more delegates, requiring the 15% threshold.)
For the large number of precincts with an even number of delegates, however, Clinton would have to win by large majorities in order to net more total delegates than Sanders. In odd-numbered-delegate precincts, barring a blowout, Sanders would still pick up several delegates.
SNIP
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Gene Debs
(582 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)They are inherently messy, unrepresentative, and non-inclusive.
And sometimes coin tosses come into play.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)... by Hillary supporters to push their own "reality" that Hillary is winning, by a lot, and Sanders will never win. On a larger scale, the party seems to be pushing the same hting, and having that questioned will always be good. Also, making it so the "media" can't keep ignoring Sanders is also a good thing.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)This morning on CNN someone was trying to make the point that this was a big loss for Bernie because he had such huge momentum going in.
What the hell? All the polls had Clinton up by a few points until the day before. Only one poll on the day of had Bernie up by two.
Yes he had momentum, but he was never expected to win. The fact Hillary couldn't pull this off was a much bigger loss for her.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)nevermind there are 8 SED's for Omalley who could switch in March. So did she win or will she lose at the Convention? Her actions are not gonna look good on the Omally' people going to the convention. So if she caused utter confusion and wants to look like Bush Jr this really isn't the way to go.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)I'm sorry, I'm confused by your post as well. I was agreeing with the poster I replied to about the way the media was spinning the story.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)as I've been saying all along, and we'll never know exactly what happened there. There is no such thing as one-person-one--vote . The weight of your vote depends on what precinct you're in and who else is voting there.
For example, in a precinct with 2 delegates, and two candidates, a 25% vs. a 75% outcome would mean they split the delegates -- each getting one delegate.
That's how caucuses work, Iowa style. Every state has its own rules, but caucuses are a mess and should be replaced with primaries, like most of the country.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Why make sure he doesn't get them?
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Good point!
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,077 posts)... after seeing how Jefferson County went so strong for Bernie, I figured something was missing. Hindsight is 20/20, but Sioux and Jefferson early results were telling.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)What did the entire Iowa Democratic Headquarters staff just take a snow day?
Same thing happens in American football.. if you know your wide receiver was guilty of pass interference and the referees missed it.. HIKE THE BALL FAST !!!!!
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,077 posts)...eom.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)One Google answer is "Escuela de Osteopatía de Madrid."
Somehow I don't think that applies here.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)End of message.
Glamrock
(11,802 posts)MsLeopard
(1,265 posts)End Of Message.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)JudyM
(29,274 posts)Have to say I don't get why the post has it as the message body...
KansDem
(28,498 posts)"No text"
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Did she take the HQ phones with her?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)It's freakin' Tuesday. Why would it be locked? And why would the phone have been shut off?
This is bullshit. Who is the clown running the show in Iowa?
trillion
(1,859 posts)I smell corruption. Winning 6 coin tosses in a row actually doesn't sound right to me.
You can get a two headed Lincoln penny on ebay.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 2 to the sixth power = 64.
One out of sixty four is the odds.
Thank you, Mr. Blaise Pascal, for figuring out the odds of probability.
trillion
(1,859 posts)regulation that will cost them billions. They want to continue unfettered - with Hillary.
To be clear, this person says it's 1 in 64 that someone could come up heads 6 times in a row.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)since weight give it to the heads vs gravity. Tails tends to happen. Hence the quick call of calling it in the air.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)trillion
(1,859 posts)at stake in those coin tosses and Hillary winning. Wall Street does not want to be regulated.
So anyway, what do you guys want to do next, Hillary Supporters? Get together and vote Climate Change isn't actually an issue? That's basically what a vote for Wall Street is. Just saying.
Demit
(11,238 posts)Jesus Christ, lighten up.
trillion
(1,859 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Response to Demit (Reply #43)
Name removed Message auto-removed
John Poet
(2,510 posts)if you're in the Hillary campaign...
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)One may even say, strictly speaking, that almost all our knowledge is only probable; and in the small number of things that we are able to know with certainty, in the mathematical sciences themselves, the principal means of arriving at the truthinduction and analogyare based on probabilities, so that the whole system of human knowledge is tied up with the theory set out in this essay.
--Pierre Simon Laplace
KansDem
(28,498 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)Either way, it's heads!
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)What with Bill and all..................
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Same game different year.
Time to CountAllVotes again!!!
questionseverything
(9,659 posts)if the iowa dem party released all the info so any person could double check it...it would be democratic
this hidden math crap is infuriating
unfortunately the primaries are even worse
harun
(11,348 posts)Sanders is right to be double checking everything. Party leadership just wants him to go away so they can get on with taking their money from Wall St.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Must be nice.
roody
(10,849 posts)anticipation of the snow.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)It's a cell phone.
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Read it and weep HRC, the one giving a victory speech when there was no victory in the cards nor that two-bit proverbial coin toss either!
& a big
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)and make the vote count that much closer.
CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Time to demand a recount IMO!!
!!
Botany
(70,581 posts)And BTW how do you get 6 out of 6 coin flips to go one way?
Lorien
(31,935 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)You lie, you cheat and you steal ...
and then, you got 'em!
... or so some may think that is!!
Name of the game with these criminals!!!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Gore1FL
(21,151 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)"victory speech" were Bill and Chelsea. Bill and his baggage, and Chelsea shilling for her Mom and being dishonest. I am sorry to say that I've lost all respect for Hillary. She was so good during the Benghazi hearing and I was cheering for her. It is going to be very hard to vote for her.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)blm
(113,091 posts)to have the office closed the next morning. It will probably open soon. Did the office KNOW there was an outstanding tally and if they knew, did they know it could/could not change the outcome?
This doesn't reach the level of nefarious act. If you know how Dem headquarters work, there are supporters from all campaigns involved at the office. I never feel out of place at my Dem headquarters as a Sanders voter. Nor am I made to - and there are plenty of us.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)It's called a job.
blm
(113,091 posts)Were you working all day and all night and then expected to show up at your job 4 hours later?
Methinks you are unfamiliar with how party offices, Dem party offices, work. In fact, you sound like a
.
Are you saying that the Democratic headquarters, the people that tabulate the voting data do not have full time staff that are expected to show up for work?
Are you saying that whoever runs the office doesn't have the foresight to have shifts so that paid staff are at work during regular hours?
I would expect that there would be professionals running a statewide office for the Democratic Party.
That's all I'm getting at. I'm not impugning the dedication of volunteers or the staff, I'm questioning the management.
Clear?
blm
(113,091 posts)a bit longer to get through from my experience of working primary and general election nights. As someone who has volunteered in a purple state for the last 12 years and keenly aware of the lack of sleep that marks our days and nights in election years, I think your outrage was knee-jerk and out of proportion.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)And perhaps you're right about my reaction. I just thought that the day after a caucus, a manager would have made sure staff were there running things.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)Update:
<<CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (KCRG-TV9) UPDATE: The final precinct reported results early Tuesday morning, narrowing Hillary Clinton's already historically close lead over Bernie Sanders in the Iowa Caucuses.
Des Moines precinct 42 reported Sanders as the winner, leaving Clinton with 49.8% of delegates to Sanders' 49.6%. The Iowa Democratic Party declared it the closest caucus in its history. The party has also not certified the results, as required, leaving the door open for a recount.
A Bernie Sanders campaign staffer told CNN it plans to ask the Iowa Democratic Party for actual count sheets from several precincts, given how close the final results are.
Several precincts decided its delegate by a coin flip after a tie in support. The Des Moines Register reports at least 6 precincts used the coin flip method to determine a county delegate and all 6 went to Clinton. That county delegate count would not be enough to flip the caucus results, which is based on state-level delegate equivalents. That state level count was decided by less than five.>>
blackspade
(10,056 posts).2 wow.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,020 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)No longer a sure thing, watch her corporate sponsors go elsewhere. Not to Bernie mind you, but elsewhere.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Lol
Duval
(4,280 posts)CanonRay
(14,113 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)needed right here in the USA.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Statewide delegates are not the same thing as a tally of actual voters.
lark
(23,155 posts)Really, this shows that Sanders and Clinton were neck and neck in Iowa at this point in time, whichever of them truly eked out the razor thin win. There's lots more to come. On to NH and hopefully a clear and decisive Bernie win there. SC is going to be very interesting.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)so they won't get away with coin tosses.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)the contractors who maintain the machines collaborate with DWS. Here in Florida Democratic rich areas for some reason always have problems with the machines come voting time. Republican rich areas don't seem to have that problem. Not sure if they're related...
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)with the machines, like the red shift, and the incongruities between the top of the ticket and the down ticket votes etc..
They know something is screwy with the voting machines yet when they could have done something about it they did nothing. I don't think the Democratic Party leadership has clean hands with respect to the electronic voting problems.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Patriot Act
Illegal Wiretapping
Iraq War
The U.S. Postal Service
Guantanamo
Justice Roberts and Alito
The list goes on and on.
snot
(10,538 posts)geardaddy
(24,931 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Martak Sarno
(77 posts)SO...does she decided which goal to defend or does she take the kick off?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)8 years of this bullshit? Not me
tularetom
(23,664 posts)If by some miracle she actually got elected, she'd never be re-elected. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if she resigned or was impeached and removed from office within a couple of years.
But even a month of this bullshit is too much.
Euphoria
(448 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)Sound familiar? Maybe this will go to the Supreme Court, which will rule that Jeb Bush was the winner of the Democratic primary in Iowa.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:12 PM - Edit history (1)
within the Clinton campaign so they would know the Karl Rove tactics,and during the campaign they used those tactics
attacking Bernie Sanders and now they are using those tactics as Karl Rove did in (2000 Fla.) and 2004 in Ohio and tried again in 2012 in Ohio to hide votes so why wouldn't they put theirr expertise to work here...these insiders know the ropes. .2 of a percent and Hillary is a clear winner without counting all votes....????
clear winner? Is Ed Gillespie in on this too.
What could be the logical explanation by the Iowa Democratic Party that these votes /results weren't tallied
Obvious reason : A precinct captain for Hillary knew the results were not in her favor and wanted them hidden.
Now any Hillary supporter that thinks it OK to hide results in order to give their candidate the upper hand then those supporters aren't any better than the Republicans that stole the election in Florida (Kathleen Harris) And (Kenneth Blackwell 2004)
Duval
(4,280 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,722 posts)trillion
(1,859 posts)Us Dems are trying to get the Dem party to represent us and not just Wall Street. We have a problem with our bought out DNC - read the articles about it the last few days.
News flash - The majority of Democrats and Republicans want big business to quit owning our country and our president.
The Hillary supporters don't seem to mind about big business running the US or wouldn't have voted for big business.
The trump supporters are hoodwinked into think trump(who is big business) will save them from big business.
Cruz - as Christo-Facist as he is, appears to be the non Wall Street winner in this election. He want's to end all pork for business and is not liked at all by the Republican Party because he is his own crazy and not Wall Streets.
Hillary and Bush are both Wall Streets first choices and that's why they both got the super pacs.
All of these candidates except for Bernie (not Wall Street and refused Super Pacs) would be bad for the Climate. And honestly, bad for what is left of the middle class.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Sure you can trust Democrats..I trust Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren...and other progressives but we are finding out in this election there just aren't very many Democrats left.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)and will continue to pull going forward. This had to scare them to death. The Corportist puppets running the DNC will in conjunction with the M$M now double their efforts to crush Bernie. Expect the shit to fly now.
AikidoSoul
(2,150 posts)My God.
This makes me want to throw up. Tricking Bernie.
I hope he doesn't let them get away with it.
KICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AikidoSoul
(2,150 posts)FOR THE LOVE OF BERNIE.
trillion
(1,859 posts)AikidoSoul
(2,150 posts)winner, but the process for recounting is not the best, and can be screwed with.
They only count a couple of counties and if nothing shows up as out of kilter with the original results, they stop counting.
KICK THIS!!!@!!!@!~
Botany
(70,581 posts)"they" went home and turned their phones off?
What did they have Clara Bell working the switch board @ the office and
after she went home they truned the phones off?
And btw if they knew that a storm was coming some cots and food would
keep the office up and running very well thank you.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)To high heaven
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)Democracy at the flip of a coin ...folks.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Thanks for the link . . . . I'll post it on my Facebook page.
svpadgham
(670 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)there were scrambling to "fix" the vote for hillary or, else, once hillary prematurely announced her win.
they think they got away with it - but some precinct workers were on to it.
i stayed up until 7am eastern time to hear the final result - and no one had it. why? why did it take so long to come up with a .0377% edge over bernie? because they were cheating and trying to legitimize a win for hillary - because they sure as hell were not trying to do anything for bernie. doing anything to legitimize the voting outcome in bernie's honest outcome was not the order given.
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)Thanks for the thread, Botany.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)declare victory before the votes are counted.