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Botany

(70,581 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:48 PM Feb 2016

Missing precinct scrambles to report Sanders won

Source: Des Moines Register

Votes from one precinct in Iowa were still missing Tuesday morning, and Democrats from that neighborhood were scrambling to find party officials so that they could report their tally: Bernie Sanders won by 2 delegates.

But the voters of Des Moines precinct No. 42 couldn’t find anyone at Iowa Democratic Party to take their phone calls. The party’s caucus hotline was no longer working. The party headquarters was locked.

“It’s important considering how close the race is. We need to be sure everyone has our accurate count,” said Jill Joseph, a rank-and-file Democratic voter who backed Sanders in at No. 42 Monday night.

snip

It quickly raised questions about whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa. Sanders backers called for Iowa Democratic Party officials to release the raw vote totals.

Read more: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/some-democratic-precinct-results-unaccounted/79682184/



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Missing precinct scrambles to report Sanders won (Original Post) Botany Feb 2016 OP
... AzDar Feb 2016 #1
It had to be Precinct #42, the answer to life, the universe & everything 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #2
Simply brilliant, 99th, simply brilliant! gregcrawford Feb 2016 #21
Thank you 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #29
Hah!!! AllyCat Feb 2016 #91
#42 was the key to Jackie Robinson breaking baseball's color barrier. olddad56 Feb 2016 #98
Expectations can never be satisfied.What did u expect bjobotts Feb 2016 #160
Of course! djean111 Feb 2016 #3
It certainly looks that way. nt Francis Booth Feb 2016 #76
Nobody "turns off their phones" anymore and .... Botany Feb 2016 #140
Let's kick the hell outta this demwing Feb 2016 #4
Kicking the Hell right now. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #39
I'm kicking your kick demwing Feb 2016 #81
Triple Kick! LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #105
Never ending kicks! demwing Feb 2016 #110
One more kick azmom Feb 2016 #130
That gif has me in stitches with laughter! Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #134
KICKING AND FURIOUS AikidoSoul Feb 2016 #126
Kicking! Duval Feb 2016 #146
K&R Binkie The Clown Feb 2016 #5
kick 840high Feb 2016 #86
WTF??? NoMoreRepugs Feb 2016 #6
It doesn't matter youceyec Feb 2016 #7
It does matter. zentrum Feb 2016 #35
i mean it does matter, youceyec Feb 2016 #40
Oh--I see. Yes, agreed nt zentrum Feb 2016 #45
YES, IT DOES! IT GIVES MOMENTUM TO THAT POP VOTE WINNER, DUE TO A TIE. PARTY HIDING IT. ViseGrip Feb 2016 #53
I'll say it until I am kicked out of this place NowSam Feb 2016 #42
Karl Rove will be very happy to hear that. randys1 Feb 2016 #52
why? is he running? nt Javaman Feb 2016 #113
And on DU...amazing randys1 Feb 2016 #114
I guess sarcasm isn't your forte'. Javaman Feb 2016 #115
. mmonk Feb 2016 #136
Might want to qualify that to the primaries... Thor_MN Feb 2016 #64
I stand by my statement. NowSam Feb 2016 #70
Good luck with that. Thor_MN Feb 2016 #72
nope. they got banned for advocating for others to do the same. mopinko Feb 2016 #95
Have fun in your republican utopia. tabasco Feb 2016 #143
Please. On the contrary NowSam Feb 2016 #150
Nice list. On minimum wage $12 an hour. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #154
Too low and so is 15 really NowSam Feb 2016 #158
Agreed. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #159
We win lancer78 Feb 2016 #166
I will vote for all Democrats on my ballot except Hillary. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #137
I can tell you right now nyabingi Feb 2016 #175
If it comes to that, Trump or Cruz will thank you for your support. nt. Thor_MN Feb 2016 #177
Sam, I understand Plucketeer Feb 2016 #82
Thanks. Agree. eom. NowSam Feb 2016 #89
Here try these MyNameGoesHere Feb 2016 #167
Zentrum, I see you are suffering from HRC-hating syndrome. Nitram Feb 2016 #74
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #87
Nice deflection, Lage, but Zentrum's post accused Clinton... Nitram Feb 2016 #90
didn't deflect at all Lage Nom Ai Feb 2016 #94
My post pointed out that blaming Clinton for the Iwa Democratic Party's closure at midnight... Nitram Feb 2016 #97
Whatever helps you Lage Nom Ai Feb 2016 #101
Likewise, I'm sure. Nitram Feb 2016 #103
My mind is clear Lage Nom Ai Feb 2016 #107
Can't understand for the life of me why your post was hidden. Bad call by jurors. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #156
2nded ... brett_jv Feb 2016 #170
Very bad call Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #174
This has nothing to do with Hillary's ethics. A win for Bernie was mathematically pnwmom Feb 2016 #100
The zentrum Feb 2016 #127
That is not Hillary. This caucus never releases its results, and it has had plenty pnwmom Feb 2016 #128
Thanks for the information. zentrum Feb 2016 #147
It does matter, if you give the tiniest shit about democracy. Gene Debs Feb 2016 #36
If you did, you would call for the end to caucuses everywhere, as I do. pnwmom Feb 2016 #129
It seems like there is a huge effort here mindwalker_i Feb 2016 #79
Yup. It's all about the spin. MoonchildCA Feb 2016 #84
this is a confusing post PatrynXX Feb 2016 #99
Hmm... MoonchildCA Feb 2016 #106
She did win but the race was very close. OTOH, the whole caucus system is extremely messy, pnwmom Feb 2016 #104
if it doesn't matter LiberalElite Feb 2016 #120
hmm... KansDem Feb 2016 #144
K&R IthinkThereforeIAM Feb 2016 #8
Is anyone surprised? pangaia Feb 2016 #9
Very good... IthinkThereforeIAM Feb 2016 #13
What does E O M mean? pangaia Feb 2016 #17
Most likely abelenkpe Feb 2016 #28
End of message Glamrock Feb 2016 #30
It means MsLeopard Feb 2016 #33
Engineering Operation and Maintenance Manual snooper2 Feb 2016 #47
It's usually placed in the subject line, same as nt (no text) so ppl don't bother opening the post. JudyM Feb 2016 #58
You might also see "nt" or "n/t" KansDem Feb 2016 #145
Is that why Hillary skipped town so fast? bvar22 Feb 2016 #153
"The party’s caucus hotline was no longer working. The party headquarters was locked." blackspade Feb 2016 #10
The DNC is in bed with Wall Street just like the RNC. Hillary is their candidate. trillion Feb 2016 #11
Odds are two to the sixth power. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #18
Thank you! Now figure out the ODDS of Wall Street not wanting trillion Feb 2016 #31
the odds of the head being down are far greater PatrynXX Feb 2016 #112
With a fair coin, at least. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #37
Six fair coins. Unless they drove the same coin around to the different precincts. Demit Feb 2016 #43
Or all bought the same coin. Look, there was tens of billions and maybe 100's of billions trillion Feb 2016 #44
If they bought the same coin, they'd still have to drive it around, right? Demit Feb 2016 #59
If they bought the same kind of the coin, not the EXACT same coin. trillion Feb 2016 #151
It could be different biased coins. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #88
Oh, well, 1 in 64 chances happens every single day John Poet Feb 2016 #62
uh-huh... Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #77
Maybe this coin was used? KansDem Feb 2016 #49
The back would probably look like this: forest444 Feb 2016 #161
Required standard equipment for every Iowa caucus chair John Poet Feb 2016 #65
appropriate it's head Lage Nom Ai Feb 2016 #92
The usual corrupt suspects CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #15
that really should be the point questionseverything Feb 2016 #135
Large snowstorm. harun Feb 2016 #16
No one can make it in? blackspade Feb 2016 #22
Des Moines Schools closed in roody Feb 2016 #41
Could be like my county Democratic Party HQ. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #69
So Sanders won after all CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #12
I don't think this would mean Sanders won... just that he won that precinct Schema Thing Feb 2016 #14
+2 more delegates CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #20
I'm neutral in the Bernie v Hillary race but this doesn't pass my smell test Botany Feb 2016 #23
We need a better system than this: Lorien Feb 2016 #26
How? CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #27
+1000000. closeupready Feb 2016 #60
Ask Rosencrantz and Guildenstern! n/t Gore1FL Feb 2016 #122
I found it both amusing and sad that her props for her Duval Feb 2016 #149
I thought Hillary's team installed at the Iowa Democratic Party headquarters could be relied upon to answer the 3am phone call. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #19
OMG that's friggin hilarious. 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #67
+++^^^ hopemountain Feb 2016 #168
I've worked party headquarters here in NC, and after a long day and night it is not unusual blm Feb 2016 #24
I was up until 3am and I'm still at work today. blackspade Feb 2016 #34
It's called VOLUNTEERISM for 99.5% of us. blm Feb 2016 #78
A what? blackspade Feb 2016 #102
The precinct DID get their report thru in the morning. I was just speculating WHY it may have taken blm Feb 2016 #108
I saw that it finally went through. blackspade Feb 2016 #111
K&R! tecelote Feb 2016 #25
Update: Precinct 42 seems to be included now, leaving Clinton with 49.8% to Sanders 49.6% deurbano Feb 2016 #32
Thanks! blackspade Feb 2016 #38
Thanks for the update. Talk about close! FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #56
A CLEAR VICTORY FOR HILLARY!!! .2%!! IT’S YUUUUUUUUGE dorkzilla Feb 2016 #63
Its a mandate Tiggeroshii Feb 2016 #96
Thanks for the Update. Duval Feb 2016 #148
Are we no longer capable of holding elections? CanonRay Feb 2016 #48
Carter's election monitors are LiberalElite Feb 2016 #121
K&R kristopher Feb 2016 #50
There is no popular vote in the Iowa caucuses for Democrats. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #51
Thankfully this isn't the general election. lark Feb 2016 #54
kick!!!!!! Baitball Blogger Feb 2016 #55
The good news is that not all states hold caucuses d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #57
Yeah. But I am more concerned about the electronic voting. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #68
And you should be. n/t WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2016 #109
I'd be concerned if and only if d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #117
I hear you. But there is a reason why the DNC has never complained about all of the anomalies GoneFishin Feb 2016 #141
There's a bunch of things that have sullied the Dem's hands already d_legendary1 Feb 2016 #163
Agreed. snot Feb 2016 #165
K and R geardaddy Feb 2016 #61
Right wingers frequently cheat. It doesn't matter which letter they have after their name. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #66
"The party headquarters was locked." Yep. K&R bobthedrummer Feb 2016 #71
This is why Hillary declared victory and beat it out of there. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #73
HRC wins Coin Toss Martak Sarno Feb 2016 #75
Everywhere the Clintons go, there is greed, cheating and other controversy going on. Who wants ViseGrip Feb 2016 #80
Well, it wouldn't be 8 years tularetom Feb 2016 #176
Kicked and rec'd. nt. Euphoria Feb 2016 #83
Hmm. . . Close race, disputes matt819 Feb 2016 #85
Why wouldn't we expect this.. there are 3 Right Wing "Advisors" INdemo Feb 2016 #93
Ohh, man, you might be correct. eom Duval Feb 2016 #152
I'll bet hiliary is behind it, you can't trust democrats! dubyadiprecession Feb 2016 #116
Hillary is the establishment candidate. She is also the Wall Street candidate. trillion Feb 2016 #119
Hillary has wanted this "power trip" for over 30 years You tell me. INdemo Feb 2016 #155
That coin toss was pretty oobvious so Im sure the Sanders campaign has that handled. INdemo Feb 2016 #157
This, of course, is a continuation of the crap the Oligarchy has been pulling, Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #118
THIS MUST BE SENT FAR AND WIDE. MAKE NOISE!!!!! TWEET AND FREAK OUT AikidoSoul Feb 2016 #123
KICK THIS! AikidoSoul Feb 2016 #125
On my way into work NPR said Bernie was requesting the precint vote tallyst double check them. trillion Feb 2016 #131
When the vote is this close, there is a good chance that he is the AikidoSoul Feb 2016 #133
I was just thinking Botany Feb 2016 #138
Kick warrprayer Feb 2016 #124
They flipped a coin 6 times in which all 6 gave it Hillary. Ivan Kaputski Feb 2016 #132
K & R Petrushka Feb 2016 #139
42 still causing problems for Hillary. svpadgham Feb 2016 #142
kick smiley Feb 2016 #162
K&R GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #164
something is rotten ... hopemountain Feb 2016 #169
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #171
As we saw with Bush Geronimoe Feb 2016 #172
something smells Clintonian here Helen Borg Feb 2016 #173

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
98. #42 was the key to Jackie Robinson breaking baseball's color barrier.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

any other number, it couldn't have happened.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
160. Expectations can never be satisfied.What did u expect
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:44 PM
Feb 2016

All that is just is and all that is is God whose Being is made manifest by Being. What did you expect?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Of course!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:52 PM
Feb 2016
But the voters of Des Moines precinct No. 42 couldn’t find anyone at Iowa Democratic Party to take their phone calls. The party’s caucus hotline was no longer working. The party headquarters was locked.

DWS has got the result she wanted.

Botany

(70,581 posts)
140. Nobody "turns off their phones" anymore and ....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

.... why wasn't the office staffed last night and today? It snowed. So what?

A couple of cots and some food and the problem is solved. I would also like to
know if the businesses on either side of the Dem office were open today?
People and farmers have been going to work in the snow in Iowa in the winter
for years.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
35. It does matter.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

Because it shows the ethics of camp Hillary/DWS. It's foolish of said camp to have yet more distrust linger over her head.

People want and deserve to know.

If she can't win Iowa without this kind of thing, then the Dems have a big problem.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
64. Might want to qualify that to the primaries...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

Stating that your won't vote for the Democratic nominee in the general (if things should go that way) is not a winning strategy...

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
72. Good luck with that.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

And nice knowing you if someone decides to alert (I won't). People have been banned for making that statement. Just saying.

mopinko

(70,214 posts)
95. nope. they got banned for advocating for others to do the same.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

including asking them to sign a petition to that effect.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
143. Have fun in your republican utopia.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

You must be too comfortable to be hurt by disastrous republican policies, or still living on mom and dad's dime.

BTW - I support Sanders for the nomination.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
150. Please. On the contrary
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

I vote for Bernie because:

Healthcare for all
Education for all
Public Prisons / not privatized
Legalized Marijuana
Veteran Care
Sensible Foreign Policy
No TPP
No Keystone Pipeline
Overhaul the corrupt Oligarchy run elections
$15 minimum Wage

Let's see:

Hillary recently said:

Single payer will never ever happen. She sounds like a Republican.
Students should still borrow for college. She sounds like a Republican.
She seems fine with privatized prison system. She sounds like a Republican.
Against the legalization of Marijuana. She sounds like a Republican.
She voted for the Iraq War. She voted with W - Very Imperialistic and Republicanesque.
For or against TPP? Depends on the day - Sometimes very Republican.
For or against Keystone? Depends on the hour. When she is for it she is sounding very Republican.
Overhaul Corrupt money in polictics? She gets most of her money from her Corporate sponsors. Very Republican-esque.
Not sure where she stand on minimum wage but I bet she stands with the bosses.

SO winning winning winning. Winning what? If We win but these policies don't change then what dod we win? A title? If she suddenly "moves" to the left should we believe her? How? How could we?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
137. I will vote for all Democrats on my ballot except Hillary.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:27 PM
Feb 2016

I will never vote for Hillary. Never, ever, ever. Come what may. I will never vote for Hillary.

We deserve better than Hillary.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
175. I can tell you right now
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:56 AM
Feb 2016

that if Hillary wins the nomination I won't be voting for her or voting for president at all.

I couldn't in all good conscience vote for a person with her values.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
82. Sam, I understand
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

I HATE that we may end up WITHOUT a palatable choice to vote for. The sole aim we have to deal with now is to keep the faith and press forward with intensity for what we know is true and just.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
74. Zentrum, I see you are suffering from HRC-hating syndrome.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

Take a couple of aspirin, drink plenty of liquids (!), and try not to do anything strenuous for a day or two. The delusions should weaken in a week or two. If they don't, an intervention may be required.

Response to Nitram (Reply #74)

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
90. Nice deflection, Lage, but Zentrum's post accused Clinton...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

...for the difficulty one late-reporting precinct had contacting their Iowa Democratic HQ. Are you equally deluded?

 

Lage Nom Ai

(74 posts)
94. didn't deflect at all
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:36 PM
Feb 2016

you seem to dance away from the points listed.
I must be to think that your Queen isn't above cheating.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
97. My post pointed out that blaming Clinton for the Iwa Democratic Party's closure at midnight...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

...is absurd. Your list of reasons for why you hate HRC is irrelevant. But those suffering from HRC-hating syndrome wouldn't get that, would they?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
174. Very bad call
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 04:13 AM
Feb 2016

Maybe it was the reference to "conservativism" that did it, but hell, some DU posters even have "conservative" in their screen names

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
100. This has nothing to do with Hillary's ethics. A win for Bernie was mathematically
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:44 PM
Feb 2016

impossible, as shown by the numbers the State Party released early in the a.m. The missing precinct didn't contain enough votes to make up for the gap between Hillary and Bernie, no matter what the outcome.

The messiness of the process is built-in. It's the caucus system, not Hillary.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
127. The
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

…willingness to investigate matters. Not the outcome. The process matters. The aura of cover-up and sleight of hand matters.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
128. That is not Hillary. This caucus never releases its results, and it has had plenty
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

of close results before.

I tried to warn everyone before this that the results would be messy and unsatisfying. As long as Bernie won, no one seemed to care.

But I come from a caucus state like Iowa's, and I hate the system.


http://time.com/4172793/hillary-clinton-iowa-caucus-bernie-sanders/

The complicated rules of the caucus process are inherently tilted toward equalizing the strength of candidates, especially in a two person race. Only the number of delegates awarded in each precinct will be published on caucus night, which means there will be no official record of the candidate’s share of the voters at the caucuses—a figure that will likely more closely mirror the pre-caucus polls.

As a result, Clinton will be at the mercy of a process little changed over generations, in which candidates can tie the delegate count, even if Clinton has far more support inside the room. If Sanders surprises with an upset, by bringing more caucus goers out, he will face a similar result, which looks more like a draw.

Here’s how it works: Each of 1,681 precincts in the state is assigned a delegate count based on its relative strength of Democratic Party within that part of the state. To earn delegates, candidates are required to meet a threshold—25% in two-delegate precincts to 15% in precincts with four or more delegates—in order to earn any delegates from each precinct. (The vast majority of precincts have four or more delegates, requiring the 15% threshold.)

For the large number of precincts with an even number of delegates, however, Clinton would have to win by large majorities in order to net more total delegates than Sanders. In odd-numbered-delegate precincts, barring a blowout, Sanders would still pick up several delegates.

SNIP

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
129. If you did, you would call for the end to caucuses everywhere, as I do.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

They are inherently messy, unrepresentative, and non-inclusive.

And sometimes coin tosses come into play.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
79. It seems like there is a huge effort here
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

... by Hillary supporters to push their own "reality" that Hillary is winning, by a lot, and Sanders will never win. On a larger scale, the party seems to be pushing the same hting, and having that questioned will always be good. Also, making it so the "media" can't keep ignoring Sanders is also a good thing.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
84. Yup. It's all about the spin.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

This morning on CNN someone was trying to make the point that this was a big loss for Bernie because he had such huge momentum going in.
What the hell? All the polls had Clinton up by a few points until the day before. Only one poll on the day of had Bernie up by two.
Yes he had momentum, but he was never expected to win. The fact Hillary couldn't pull this off was a much bigger loss for her.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
99. this is a confusing post
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:41 PM
Feb 2016

nevermind there are 8 SED's for Omalley who could switch in March. So did she win or will she lose at the Convention? Her actions are not gonna look good on the Omally' people going to the convention. So if she caused utter confusion and wants to look like Bush Jr this really isn't the way to go.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
106. Hmm...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sorry, I'm confused by your post as well. I was agreeing with the poster I replied to about the way the media was spinning the story.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
104. She did win but the race was very close. OTOH, the whole caucus system is extremely messy,
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016

as I've been saying all along, and we'll never know exactly what happened there. There is no such thing as one-person-one--vote . The weight of your vote depends on what precinct you're in and who else is voting there.

For example, in a precinct with 2 delegates, and two candidates, a 25% vs. a 75% outcome would mean they split the delegates -- each getting one delegate.

That's how caucuses work, Iowa style. Every state has its own rules, but caucuses are a mess and should be replaced with primaries, like most of the country.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,077 posts)
8. K&R
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:59 PM
Feb 2016

... after seeing how Jefferson County went so strong for Bernie, I figured something was missing. Hindsight is 20/20, but Sioux and Jefferson early results were telling.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
9. Is anyone surprised?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:59 PM
Feb 2016

What did the entire Iowa Democratic Headquarters staff just take a snow day?

Same thing happens in American football.. if you know your wide receiver was guilty of pass interference and the referees missed it.. HIKE THE BALL FAST !!!!!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
17. What does E O M mean?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:07 PM
Feb 2016

One Google answer is "Escuela de Osteopatía de Madrid."

Somehow I don't think that applies here.

JudyM

(29,274 posts)
58. It's usually placed in the subject line, same as nt (no text) so ppl don't bother opening the post.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

Have to say I don't get why the post has it as the message body...

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
10. "The party’s caucus hotline was no longer working. The party headquarters was locked."
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:00 PM
Feb 2016

It's freakin' Tuesday. Why would it be locked? And why would the phone have been shut off?

This is bullshit. Who is the clown running the show in Iowa?

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
11. The DNC is in bed with Wall Street just like the RNC. Hillary is their candidate.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:02 PM
Feb 2016

I smell corruption. Winning 6 coin tosses in a row actually doesn't sound right to me.

You can get a two headed Lincoln penny on ebay.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
18. Odds are two to the sixth power.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:08 PM
Feb 2016

1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 2 to the sixth power = 64.

One out of sixty four is the odds.

Thank you, Mr. Blaise Pascal, for figuring out the odds of probability.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
31. Thank you! Now figure out the ODDS of Wall Street not wanting
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

regulation that will cost them billions. They want to continue unfettered - with Hillary.

To be clear, this person says it's 1 in 64 that someone could come up heads 6 times in a row.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
112. the odds of the head being down are far greater
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:00 PM
Feb 2016

since weight give it to the heads vs gravity. Tails tends to happen. Hence the quick call of calling it in the air.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
44. Or all bought the same coin. Look, there was tens of billions and maybe 100's of billions
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

at stake in those coin tosses and Hillary winning. Wall Street does not want to be regulated.


So anyway, what do you guys want to do next, Hillary Supporters? Get together and vote Climate Change isn't actually an issue? That's basically what a vote for Wall Street is. Just saying.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
59. If they bought the same coin, they'd still have to drive it around, right?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

Jesus Christ, lighten up.

Response to Demit (Reply #43)

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
77. uh-huh...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016


One may even say, strictly speaking, that almost all our knowledge is only probable; and in the small number of things that we are able to know with certainty, in the mathematical sciences themselves, the principal means of arriving at the truth—induction and analogy—are based on probabilities, so that the whole system of human knowledge is tied up with the theory set out in this essay.

--Pierre Simon Laplace

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
135. that really should be the point
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

if the iowa dem party released all the info so any person could double check it...it would be democratic

this hidden math crap is infuriating

unfortunately the primaries are even worse

harun

(11,348 posts)
16. Large snowstorm.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders is right to be double checking everything. Party leadership just wants him to go away so they can get on with taking their money from Wall St.

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
12. So Sanders won after all
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:03 PM
Feb 2016

Read it and weep HRC, the one giving a victory speech when there was no victory in the cards nor that two-bit proverbial coin toss either!

& a big

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
14. I don't think this would mean Sanders won... just that he won that precinct
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:05 PM
Feb 2016

and make the vote count that much closer.

Botany

(70,581 posts)
23. I'm neutral in the Bernie v Hillary race but this doesn't pass my smell test
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

And BTW how do you get 6 out of 6 coin flips to go one way?

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
27. How?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

You lie, you cheat and you steal ...

and then, you got 'em!


... or so some may think that is!!

Name of the game with these criminals!!!


 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
149. I found it both amusing and sad that her props for her
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

"victory speech" were Bill and Chelsea. Bill and his baggage, and Chelsea shilling for her Mom and being dishonest. I am sorry to say that I've lost all respect for Hillary. She was so good during the Benghazi hearing and I was cheering for her. It is going to be very hard to vote for her.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
19. I thought Hillary's team installed at the Iowa Democratic Party headquarters could be relied upon to answer the 3am phone call.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:08 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

blm

(113,091 posts)
24. I've worked party headquarters here in NC, and after a long day and night it is not unusual
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

to have the office closed the next morning. It will probably open soon. Did the office KNOW there was an outstanding tally and if they knew, did they know it could/could not change the outcome?

This doesn't reach the level of nefarious act. If you know how Dem headquarters work, there are supporters from all campaigns involved at the office. I never feel out of place at my Dem headquarters as a Sanders voter. Nor am I made to - and there are plenty of us.

blm

(113,091 posts)
78. It's called VOLUNTEERISM for 99.5% of us.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

Were you working all day and all night and then expected to show up at your job 4 hours later?

Methinks you are unfamiliar with how party offices, Dem party offices, work. In fact, you sound like a ………….

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
102. A what?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016


Are you saying that the Democratic headquarters, the people that tabulate the voting data do not have full time staff that are expected to show up for work?
Are you saying that whoever runs the office doesn't have the foresight to have shifts so that paid staff are at work during regular hours?
I would expect that there would be professionals running a statewide office for the Democratic Party.

That's all I'm getting at. I'm not impugning the dedication of volunteers or the staff, I'm questioning the management.

Clear?

blm

(113,091 posts)
108. The precinct DID get their report thru in the morning. I was just speculating WHY it may have taken
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:55 PM
Feb 2016

a bit longer to get through from my experience of working primary and general election nights. As someone who has volunteered in a purple state for the last 12 years and keenly aware of the lack of sleep that marks our days and nights in election years, I think your outrage was knee-jerk and out of proportion.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
111. I saw that it finally went through.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016

And perhaps you're right about my reaction. I just thought that the day after a caucus, a manager would have made sure staff were there running things.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
32. Update: Precinct 42 seems to be included now, leaving Clinton with 49.8% to Sanders 49.6%
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Hillary-Clinton-Bernie-Sanders-Iowa-Democratic-Caucus-367011451.html

Update:
<<CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (KCRG-TV9) — UPDATE: The final precinct reported results early Tuesday morning, narrowing Hillary Clinton's already historically close lead over Bernie Sanders in the Iowa Caucuses.

Des Moines precinct 42 reported Sanders as the winner, leaving Clinton with 49.8% of delegates to Sanders' 49.6%. The Iowa Democratic Party declared it the closest caucus in its history. The party has also not certified the results, as required, leaving the door open for a recount.

A Bernie Sanders campaign staffer told CNN it plans to ask the Iowa Democratic Party for actual count sheets from several precincts, given how close the final results are.

Several precincts decided its delegate by a coin flip after a tie in support. The Des Moines Register reports at least 6 precincts used the coin flip method to determine a county delegate and all 6 went to Clinton. That county delegate count would not be enough to flip the caucus results, which is based on state-level delegate equivalents. That state level count was decided by less than five.>>

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
63. A CLEAR VICTORY FOR HILLARY!!! .2%!! IT’S YUUUUUUUUGE
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:43 PM
Feb 2016

No longer a sure thing, watch her corporate sponsors go elsewhere. Not to Bernie mind you, but elsewhere.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
51. There is no popular vote in the Iowa caucuses for Democrats.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:37 PM
Feb 2016

Statewide delegates are not the same thing as a tally of actual voters.

lark

(23,155 posts)
54. Thankfully this isn't the general election.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:40 PM
Feb 2016

Really, this shows that Sanders and Clinton were neck and neck in Iowa at this point in time, whichever of them truly eked out the razor thin win. There's lots more to come. On to NH and hopefully a clear and decisive Bernie win there. SC is going to be very interesting.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
117. I'd be concerned if and only if
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:19 PM
Feb 2016

the contractors who maintain the machines collaborate with DWS. Here in Florida Democratic rich areas for some reason always have problems with the machines come voting time. Republican rich areas don't seem to have that problem. Not sure if they're related...

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
141. I hear you. But there is a reason why the DNC has never complained about all of the anomalies
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:07 PM
Feb 2016

with the machines, like the red shift, and the incongruities between the top of the ticket and the down ticket votes etc..

They know something is screwy with the voting machines yet when they could have done something about it they did nothing. I don't think the Democratic Party leadership has clean hands with respect to the electronic voting problems.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
163. There's a bunch of things that have sullied the Dem's hands already
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:52 PM
Feb 2016

Patriot Act
Illegal Wiretapping
Iraq War
The U.S. Postal Service
Guantanamo
Justice Roberts and Alito

The list goes on and on.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
80. Everywhere the Clintons go, there is greed, cheating and other controversy going on. Who wants
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:14 PM
Feb 2016

8 years of this bullshit? Not me

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
176. Well, it wouldn't be 8 years
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

If by some miracle she actually got elected, she'd never be re-elected. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if she resigned or was impeached and removed from office within a couple of years.

But even a month of this bullshit is too much.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
85. Hmm. . . Close race, disputes
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

Sound familiar? Maybe this will go to the Supreme Court, which will rule that Jeb Bush was the winner of the Democratic primary in Iowa.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
93. Why wouldn't we expect this.. there are 3 Right Wing "Advisors"
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

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within the Clinton campaign so they would know the Karl Rove tactics,and during the campaign they used those tactics
attacking Bernie Sanders and now they are using those tactics as Karl Rove did in (2000 Fla.) and 2004 in Ohio and tried again in 2012 in Ohio to hide votes so why wouldn't they put theirr expertise to work here...these insiders know the ropes. .2 of a percent and Hillary is a clear winner without counting all votes....????
clear winner? Is Ed Gillespie in on this too.

What could be the logical explanation by the Iowa Democratic Party that these votes /results weren't tallied

Obvious reason : A precinct captain for Hillary knew the results were not in her favor and wanted them hidden.

Now any Hillary supporter that thinks it OK to hide results in order to give their candidate the upper hand then those supporters aren't any better than the Republicans that stole the election in Florida (Kathleen Harris) And (Kenneth Blackwell 2004)

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
119. Hillary is the establishment candidate. She is also the Wall Street candidate.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:33 PM
Feb 2016

Us Dems are trying to get the Dem party to represent us and not just Wall Street. We have a problem with our bought out DNC - read the articles about it the last few days.

News flash - The majority of Democrats and Republicans want big business to quit owning our country and our president.

The Hillary supporters don't seem to mind about big business running the US or wouldn't have voted for big business.
The trump supporters are hoodwinked into think trump(who is big business) will save them from big business.
Cruz - as Christo-Facist as he is, appears to be the non Wall Street winner in this election. He want's to end all pork for business and is not liked at all by the Republican Party because he is his own crazy and not Wall Streets.
Hillary and Bush are both Wall Streets first choices and that's why they both got the super pacs.
All of these candidates except for Bernie (not Wall Street and refused Super Pacs) would be bad for the Climate. And honestly, bad for what is left of the middle class.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
155. Hillary has wanted this "power trip" for over 30 years You tell me.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 08:16 PM
Feb 2016

Sure you can trust Democrats..I trust Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren...and other progressives but we are finding out in this election there just aren't very many Democrats left.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
118. This, of course, is a continuation of the crap the Oligarchy has been pulling,
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

and will continue to pull going forward. This had to scare them to death. The Corportist puppets running the DNC will in conjunction with the M$M now double their efforts to crush Bernie. Expect the shit to fly now.

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
123. THIS MUST BE SENT FAR AND WIDE. MAKE NOISE!!!!! TWEET AND FREAK OUT
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

My God.

This makes me want to throw up. Tricking Bernie.

I hope he doesn't let them get away with it.



KICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
133. When the vote is this close, there is a good chance that he is the
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

winner, but the process for recounting is not the best, and can be screwed with.

They only count a couple of counties and if nothing shows up as out of kilter with the original results, they stop counting.


KICK THIS!!!@!!!@!~

Botany

(70,581 posts)
138. I was just thinking
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

"they" went home and turned their phones off?

What did they have Clara Bell working the switch board @ the office and
after she went home they truned the phones off?


And btw if they knew that a storm was coming some cots and food would
keep the office up and running very well thank you.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
169. something is rotten ...
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:14 AM
Feb 2016

there were scrambling to "fix" the vote for hillary or, else, once hillary prematurely announced her win.
they think they got away with it - but some precinct workers were on to it.
i stayed up until 7am eastern time to hear the final result - and no one had it. why? why did it take so long to come up with a .0377% edge over bernie? because they were cheating and trying to legitimize a win for hillary - because they sure as hell were not trying to do anything for bernie. doing anything to legitimize the voting outcome in bernie's honest outcome was not the order given.


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