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Judi Lynn

(160,621 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:32 PM Feb 2016

The Latest: Oregon occupiers say they aren't ready to leave

Source: Associated Press

The Latest: Oregon occupiers say they aren't ready to leave

Updated 3:10 pm, Tuesday, February 2, 2016

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The Latest on an armed group that took over buildings at a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon (all times local):

1 p.m.

The four occupiers of a wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon aren't showing any sign that they are ready to leave in the latest interview with them.

The last holdouts gave an interview Monday with an Internet radio show.

One of them, David Fry, said they were waiting for people to come and support them.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/science/article/The-Latest-Hearing-set-for-man-arrested-in-6800830.php

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The Latest: Oregon occupiers say they aren't ready to leave (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2016 OP
Time to show them the door. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #1
The cavalry is on the way Roy Rolling Feb 2016 #2
Or maybe so... jmowreader Feb 2016 #7
Obama needs to invoke the Insurrection Act boomer55 Feb 2016 #16
They're waiting for Gen Custer to arrive rpannier Feb 2016 #27
dont we have robots we can send in and apprehend them? boomer55 Feb 2016 #3
how about... getagrip_already Feb 2016 #4
at this point I'm for playing "suicide is painless" ;) boomer55 Feb 2016 #15
Why don't they just declare victory and skedaddle? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #5
they know they're going to be arrested and sent to the hoosegow maxsolomon Feb 2016 #6
They thought they'd be heroes. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #10
I think they think all of America must hate the Black prez as much as they do randys1 Feb 2016 #11
well they want imunity from prosecution toothless dragon Feb 2016 #32
if the US government doesn't let any more of them in, why not just waiting them out. olddad56 Feb 2016 #8
you can't cut the power maxsolomon Feb 2016 #13
Plus the substation is at the refuge. Would have to Downwinder Feb 2016 #18
Guess who they are modeling their lives after? randys1 Feb 2016 #9
If they won't be starved out, maybe the weather will drop a microburst on them and put valerief Feb 2016 #12
Wonder if there is a pause Wellstone ruled Feb 2016 #14
This is better than having them in jail Cryptoad Feb 2016 #17
They're not out of pot and whatever other substances they brought with them. haele Feb 2016 #19
I cannot believe they're so delusional! elias49 Feb 2016 #20
Delusional says it all IMO nt LiberalElite Feb 2016 #29
Translation: "We want to go home but we can't find a way to do so without looking like asses" Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #21
NO MORE SNACKS, NO MORE SOCKS, NO MORE TARPS... 63splitwindow Feb 2016 #22
Meanwhile the necessary work at the refuge goes untended.... ALBliberal Feb 2016 #23
Hold on! We're coming, guys! But the traffic has been just terrible! struggle4progress Feb 2016 #24
These people really bother me. Tear gas might help. Shrike47 Feb 2016 #25
Where are the drones? sinkingfeeling Feb 2016 #26
Aww, bless their felonious little hearts... n/t Little Tich Feb 2016 #28
When is Cliven Bundy going to grow a pair to go join them? keithbvadu2 Feb 2016 #30
What a bunch of morans. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #31

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
7. Or maybe so...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:44 PM
Feb 2016

The Oregon Army National Guard, who has law enforcement authority over civilians because it's not a federal force, owns a cavalry squadron equipped with M-1A2 Abrams tanks.

 

boomer55

(592 posts)
16. Obama needs to invoke the Insurrection Act
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a494995.pdf

Most Americans believe that the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal troops to
enforce the law in the United States. They also believe that the President has to wait until a governor
asks for help before he can send federal troops to help and even only to quell an insurrection. These
beliefs are erroneous. They are based on complete misunderstanding of the two major laws that pertain
to this issue. This is important, for understanding the true status of the laws and authorities is essential
if we are to provide for the security of the homeland in an age of terrorism and catastrophic natural
disasters.

In this article, I will address both the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act, using
different approaches to help you understand what each really means. I will parse the Posse Comitatus
Act to allow you to understand what it really means. I will tell the story of the Insurrection Act to allow
you to understand how it came to be enacted.
 

boomer55

(592 posts)
3. dont we have robots we can send in and apprehend them?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:35 PM
Feb 2016

seriously in this day and age cant we create a bot to roll in with nets or arms or something and just nab em with no loss of life on our side?

getagrip_already

(14,837 posts)
4. how about...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:39 PM
Feb 2016

They just set up yuuuuge speakers and blare the theme song from Barney at them 24x7?

I know, cruel and inhuman.... but these aren't humans, or even animals. PETA wouldn't even care.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
6. they know they're going to be arrested and sent to the hoosegow
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:44 PM
Feb 2016

they're scared of that inevitability.

I dunno what they thought the outcome of this was going to be. civil disobedience comes with the possibility of jail time.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
11. I think they think all of America must hate the Black prez as much as they do
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

and they will get sympathy

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
8. if the US government doesn't let any more of them in, why not just waiting them out.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:44 PM
Feb 2016

cut the power and water and wait.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
13. you can't cut the power
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:49 PM
Feb 2016

I don't know how they heat the building, but without power, the plumbing pipes could freeze and burst. there are artifacts in there that might need climate control as well. the power keeps the building maintained.

starving them out is a rational compromise, but it takes time.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
18. Plus the substation is at the refuge. Would have to
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:20 PM
Feb 2016

cut the feed. That would probably blackout a quarter of the County.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
12. If they won't be starved out, maybe the weather will drop a microburst on them and put
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

them out of our misery. They are the ultimate shitheads.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
14. Wonder if there is a pause
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:50 PM
Feb 2016

here until the Oregon State Patrol finishes their investigation as well as the County Sheriffs Investigation related to Finicum. If they really want the four clowns left,one swat team and it is over. Noticed they had cell service for a period of time,hello can you hear me now,yes,this is your friendly FBI service center.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
17. This is better than having them in jail
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016

isolated
freezing ass cold
no communications
no food expense

tick, tick. tick

haele

(12,676 posts)
19. They're not out of pot and whatever other substances they brought with them.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

Suspect the guy with "anger issues" is self-medicating, and will probably need to leave after he runs out. They'll hold out until it becomes too uncomfortable for them, or until one of them cuts/shoots the others.
They're all too emotionally high strung, and are a danger to themselves and others as there doesn't seem to be a lot of thinking (no matter how whack, as the kids say) going on any more, just reacting.

Haele

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
20. I cannot believe they're so delusional!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:24 PM
Feb 2016

Maybe there's a 'syndrome' named for fools like them. They are not seeing the real world out there. Or something.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
21. Translation: "We want to go home but we can't find a way to do so without looking like asses"
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:27 PM
Feb 2016

Just more bravado.

ALBliberal

(2,344 posts)
23. Meanwhile the necessary work at the refuge goes untended....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:46 PM
Feb 2016

I remember reading about the necessary work the staff at the park would normally be doing to help the bird migration process as well as other maintenance and ecological work that's not getting done because of this unlawful armed takeover. And we're still paying the park staff even though they are prohibited from working. Ridiculous really and a complete waste of tax dollars.

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