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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:03 PM Feb 2016

Iowans claim instances when Sanders was shorted delegates

Source: Des Moines Register

Keane Schwarz is certain he knows the outcome of the vote in his precinct: He was the lone caucusgoer in Woodbury County No. 43.

But the Iowa Democratic Party's final results state that Hillary Clinton won one county delegate and Bernie Sanders received zero.

"I voted for Bernie," Schwarz, 36, of Oto, told The Des Moines Register. “It was really suspicious … I’m actually pretty irate about it.”... complaints that Iowa Democrats have shared with the Register about discrepancies in caucus results appear to be valid... Party officials on Friday night were still reviewing reports and correcting errors and hadn’t yet shared candidates' updated totals of state delegate equivalents, which determine the winner of the caucuses.... It also doesn't help the optics that the state party chairwoman drove around for years in a car with “HRC2016” license plates.

Several caucusgoers told the Register they thought Sanders had been shorted county delegates, including in Knoxville No. 3.... A total of 110 people were present for the final vote, and the count was 58 people for Sanders and 52 people for Clinton — which amounted to five county delegates for Sanders and four for Clinton, said Lonnie McCombs, a 59-year-old Knoxville Democrat who is retired from careers in the military and in manufacturing... But when the Knoxville Journal Express newspaper posted the Democratic Party’s official results, it showed Knoxville No. 3 results as Clinton with five county delegates and Sanders with four.... Steve Eck, who was Clinton’s precinct captain for Knoxville No. 3, confirmed: “Somebody transposed those numbers.”... Elsewhere, ... in Cedar Rapids No. 9, ... the precinct’s four delegates split evenly between Sanders and Clinton, who won by just one person's vote.... 131 people signed in at the beginning of the caucus but two separate head counts showed that 136 people voted.... “Who knows if these people were even registered to vote in our district.”


Read more: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/06/iowans-claim-instances-when-sanders-shorted-delegates/79902080/

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Iowans claim instances when Sanders was shorted delegates (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 OP
drip Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #1
The party? Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #3
I know it probably Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #8
Probably means the state party. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #13
I certainly hope someone pursues it, to give a zero-tolerance message to other states 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #20
yes, as a marker for history grasswire Feb 2016 #26
Absolutely .. capitulation is no longer an option on election fraud. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #27
so much for Hill's strident claim she won Iowa wordpix Feb 2016 #9
Not going to happen with DWS in charge. OnlinePoker Feb 2016 #12
The power of Debbie forbids you to have these thoughts! Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #22
Yet another Shady Clinton Deal. With her high Untrustworthy levels, how will she ever govern... libdem4life Feb 2016 #2
The stories about the Democratic establishment reaching out to Biden and Kerry reflects the loss of Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #6
I would not be surprised to see a new candidate appear...but that train has already left the station libdem4life Feb 2016 #10
Anyone trying to be a last minute replacement for Hillary, Doitnow Feb 2016 #29
Yes, both for the individual and the Party. The Sanders coat tails have already begun. libdem4life Feb 2016 #30
I agree Biden or Kerry cannot derail Sanders but they might stand in for Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #32
I seriously doubt Kerry would - doing so leaves no SoS karynnj Feb 2016 #34
Did you see the recent Carl Bernstein interview? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #15
I understand their panic. Real democracy can be scary is your identity is tied up in the status quo. Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #35
Kerry for change! Helen Borg Feb 2016 #18
lol Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #36
I can't imagine the Clinton campaign would engage in any shenanigans... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #4
k&r nt bananas Feb 2016 #5
And the establishment Democrat's think this kind of stuff will win them votes? jalan48 Feb 2016 #7
"The Iowa Crooked Caucus"... Unless they have an independent audit.. 4139 Feb 2016 #11
So will the Iowa Democratic Party fully submit to auditing or will 2016 be the last Iowa caucus that Vote2016 Feb 2016 #14
Good question. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #16
... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #17
Repeat after me: ELECTION FRAUD! Odin2005 Feb 2016 #19
yep 840high Feb 2016 #21
i remember when the returns were coming in.... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #23
When an election is this close, a recount should be mandatory. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #24
If the raw numbers are not released, we need to end the Iowa caucus based on a lack of transparency Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #31
Totally agree. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #33
American democracy in action. Might as well be an oligarchy. Wait! We already are! nt valerief Feb 2016 #25
knr frylock Feb 2016 #28
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. Probably means the state party.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

It's pretty clear they did an incompetent job of conducting the caucus. What is a bit murkier is if they were rigging the caucuses deliberately, either on their own initiative or on instructions from DNC Debbie. A supoena of Andy McGuires emails might prove enlightening, but the Sanders campaign isn't going to persue it. Some voting rights groups might though. We'll have to see if McGuire lawyers up.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
20. I certainly hope someone pursues it, to give a zero-tolerance message to other states
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:38 PM
Feb 2016

about the 2016 elections, both in the Primary AND on the General. Election fraud is just one
more of the many ways -- besides CU and dark money in politics -- that we stand to lose our
democracy if we're not vigilant about maintaining it fraud-free.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
26. yes, as a marker for history
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:33 PM
Feb 2016

Same reason Gore should have fought tooth and toenail to the bitter end, and not capitulated to cries of "Sore Loserman" by the freepers.

A marker for history.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
27. Absolutely .. capitulation is no longer an option on election fraud.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:37 PM
Feb 2016

never should have been in the first place.

Yes, a marker in history.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
22. The power of Debbie forbids you to have these thoughts!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:13 PM
Feb 2016

Third Way or the Highway, girl! What are you, a complacent millennial?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
2. Yet another Shady Clinton Deal. With her high Untrustworthy levels, how will she ever govern...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:07 PM
Feb 2016

let alone do the US proud in the world.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
6. The stories about the Democratic establishment reaching out to Biden and Kerry reflects the loss of
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

confidence in Clinton.

There are those in the Democratic establishment who are seeing that Sanders is going to clean house to bring the people into the process and Clinton cannot win so as to protect the status quo and the lobbyist class from a Sanders house cleaning.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
10. I would not be surprised to see a new candidate appear...but that train has already left the station
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

Kind of like...OK, y'all didn't like our inevitable candidate, looks like we made a mistake, so how about this one? or this one?

It just adds to Bernie's reputation of being consistent and trustworthy. And HRCs female/gender support...doubt it will go all in for any change of the above boring candidates who have "been there, done that, and lost". They do have name recognition, I'll grant you that.

But I truly understand (and am happy about) their concern and their rummaging about for yet another establishment candidate.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
29. Anyone trying to be a last minute replacement for Hillary,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

even tho currently enjoying a favorable reputation, will certainly earn demerits in my book. They'd better think twice before assenting to run under such circumstances. It will tarnish that reputation in the minds of many for a long time.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
30. Yes, both for the individual and the Party. The Sanders coat tails have already begun.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

They smother his message at their political peril. The people are awakening and recognizing the opportunity. I proudly make this vote my first without a clothespin since McGovern.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
32. I agree Biden or Kerry cannot derail Sanders but they might stand in for
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:30 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary as the designated supervisor of the status quo.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
34. I seriously doubt Kerry would - doing so leaves no SoS
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:47 PM
Feb 2016

Kerry has said hundreds of time that he is out of politics and doing a job he loves.

Biden, as VP, could run, but remember Obama just put him in charge of the "moonshot" on cancer --' and he decided not to run because of family. He is completely unlikely to do this.

Note no one can just get in the race, run and win. Too many deadlines are passed. These stories are not coming from anyone around these two good men - I would suggest the voices in the media pushing this could not understand the two men.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
15. Did you see the recent Carl Bernstein interview?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

He said he was horrified at how incompetent Hillary's campaign was, her wounds are self-inflicted, 'the establishment' was begging Pres Obama to step in and help her campaign or find another candidate. A whole lot of hearsay and unnamed 'sources', but it does reflect the near panic of the establishment. The interviewer was stunned.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
35. I understand their panic. Real democracy can be scary is your identity is tied up in the status quo.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:06 PM
Feb 2016

If Hillary cannot win the nomination with the DNC pulling every string on her behalf and with its thumb on the scale, how can she win the general election? If even many Democrats mistrust her, how can they expect her her to appeal to a broader audience?

4139

(1,893 posts)
11. "The Iowa Crooked Caucus"... Unless they have an independent audit..
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

Republicans will own the 'vote fraud issue'! They just point and say look at the democrats in Iowa!
'

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
14. So will the Iowa Democratic Party fully submit to auditing or will 2016 be the last Iowa caucus that
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

holds any national standing whatsoever.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
16. Good question.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

I think Iowa voters do a pretty good job of listening to and vetting the candidates of both parties, from their perspective. However, if the parties aren't able to conduct honest and transparent caucuses then they shouldn't be first on the schedule.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
23. i remember when the returns were coming in....
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

i was watching the young turks. the spread between bernie and hillary kept dropping. tyt explained that, although the caucuses were all over, the counting continued in some of the bigger turnout areas. and then around 0.2 percent, it just stopped increasing for bernie and stopped decreasing for hillary. my suspicion is that when they saw how close it was and that it was clear bernie was going to overtake her for the win, the word went out and the counters started transposing numbers and "miscounting" votes. i do not think for a second that the climbing stopped at 0.2 percent by accident. do we really think they were not communicating? they had to drop some votes to try and eek out barely a "win" for hillary. my guess is that if fraud had not been committed, bernie would have tied at 0 percent difference and then would have gone on for a slight win, probably half a percent or so.

again, if they had proof that the votes were clearly supportive of a hillary win, they would be shoving our faces in it.

the des moines register needs to file suit

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
24. When an election is this close, a recount should be mandatory.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

I don't see how any reasonable person could disagree with that.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
31. If the raw numbers are not released, we need to end the Iowa caucus based on a lack of transparency
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:23 PM
Feb 2016

and this breach of trust.

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