Iowans claim instances when Sanders was shorted delegates
Source: Des Moines Register
Keane Schwarz is certain he knows the outcome of the vote in his precinct: He was the lone caucusgoer in Woodbury County No. 43.
But the Iowa Democratic Party's final results state that Hillary Clinton won one county delegate and Bernie Sanders received zero.
"I voted for Bernie," Schwarz, 36, of Oto, told The Des Moines Register. It was really suspicious
Im actually pretty irate about it.... complaints that Iowa Democrats have shared with the Register about discrepancies in caucus results appear to be valid... Party officials on Friday night were still reviewing reports and correcting errors and hadnt yet shared candidates' updated totals of state delegate equivalents, which determine the winner of the caucuses.... It also doesn't help the optics that the state party chairwoman drove around for years in a car with HRC2016 license plates.
Several caucusgoers told the Register they thought Sanders had been shorted county delegates, including in Knoxville No. 3.... A total of 110 people were present for the final vote, and the count was 58 people for Sanders and 52 people for Clinton which amounted to five county delegates for Sanders and four for Clinton, said Lonnie McCombs, a 59-year-old Knoxville Democrat who is retired from careers in the military and in manufacturing... But when the Knoxville Journal Express newspaper posted the Democratic Partys official results, it showed Knoxville No. 3 results as Clinton with five county delegates and Sanders with four.... Steve Eck, who was Clintons precinct captain for Knoxville No. 3, confirmed: Somebody transposed those numbers.... Elsewhere, ... in Cedar Rapids No. 9, ... the precincts four delegates split evenly between Sanders and Clinton, who won by just one person's vote.... 131 people signed in at the beginning of the caucus but two separate head counts showed that 136 people voted.... Who knows if these people were even registered to vote in our district.
Read more: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/06/iowans-claim-instances-when-sanders-shorted-delegates/79902080/
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The party needs to do a thorough and open investigation.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)As in the DNC? Not gonna happen.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)will not sadly.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)It's pretty clear they did an incompetent job of conducting the caucus. What is a bit murkier is if they were rigging the caucuses deliberately, either on their own initiative or on instructions from DNC Debbie. A supoena of Andy McGuires emails might prove enlightening, but the Sanders campaign isn't going to persue it. Some voting rights groups might though. We'll have to see if McGuire lawyers up.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)about the 2016 elections, both in the Primary AND on the General. Election fraud is just one
more of the many ways -- besides CU and dark money in politics -- that we stand to lose our
democracy if we're not vigilant about maintaining it fraud-free.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Same reason Gore should have fought tooth and toenail to the bitter end, and not capitulated to cries of "Sore Loserman" by the freepers.
A marker for history.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)never should have been in the first place.
Yes, a marker in history.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)as if 0.2% is a big win. But even that is doubtful
OnlinePoker
(5,722 posts)She will do whatever she can to sweep this under the carpet.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Third Way or the Highway, girl! What are you, a complacent millennial?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)let alone do the US proud in the world.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)confidence in Clinton.
There are those in the Democratic establishment who are seeing that Sanders is going to clean house to bring the people into the process and Clinton cannot win so as to protect the status quo and the lobbyist class from a Sanders house cleaning.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Kind of like...OK, y'all didn't like our inevitable candidate, looks like we made a mistake, so how about this one? or this one?
It just adds to Bernie's reputation of being consistent and trustworthy. And HRCs female/gender support...doubt it will go all in for any change of the above boring candidates who have "been there, done that, and lost". They do have name recognition, I'll grant you that.
But I truly understand (and am happy about) their concern and their rummaging about for yet another establishment candidate.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)even tho currently enjoying a favorable reputation, will certainly earn demerits in my book. They'd better think twice before assenting to run under such circumstances. It will tarnish that reputation in the minds of many for a long time.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)They smother his message at their political peril. The people are awakening and recognizing the opportunity. I proudly make this vote my first without a clothespin since McGovern.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Hillary as the designated supervisor of the status quo.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Kerry has said hundreds of time that he is out of politics and doing a job he loves.
Biden, as VP, could run, but remember Obama just put him in charge of the "moonshot" on cancer --' and he decided not to run because of family. He is completely unlikely to do this.
Note no one can just get in the race, run and win. Too many deadlines are passed. These stories are not coming from anyone around these two good men - I would suggest the voices in the media pushing this could not understand the two men.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He said he was horrified at how incompetent Hillary's campaign was, her wounds are self-inflicted, 'the establishment' was begging Pres Obama to step in and help her campaign or find another candidate. A whole lot of hearsay and unnamed 'sources', but it does reflect the near panic of the establishment. The interviewer was stunned.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)If Hillary cannot win the nomination with the DNC pulling every string on her behalf and with its thumb on the scale, how can she win the general election? If even many Democrats mistrust her, how can they expect her her to appeal to a broader audience?
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...said no rational person, ever.
bananas
(27,509 posts)jalan48
(13,870 posts)4139
(1,893 posts)Republicans will own the 'vote fraud issue'! They just point and say look at the democrats in Iowa!
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Vote2016
(1,198 posts)holds any national standing whatsoever.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I think Iowa voters do a pretty good job of listening to and vetting the candidates of both parties, from their perspective. However, if the parties aren't able to conduct honest and transparent caucuses then they shouldn't be first on the schedule.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i was watching the young turks. the spread between bernie and hillary kept dropping. tyt explained that, although the caucuses were all over, the counting continued in some of the bigger turnout areas. and then around 0.2 percent, it just stopped increasing for bernie and stopped decreasing for hillary. my suspicion is that when they saw how close it was and that it was clear bernie was going to overtake her for the win, the word went out and the counters started transposing numbers and "miscounting" votes. i do not think for a second that the climbing stopped at 0.2 percent by accident. do we really think they were not communicating? they had to drop some votes to try and eek out barely a "win" for hillary. my guess is that if fraud had not been committed, bernie would have tied at 0 percent difference and then would have gone on for a slight win, probably half a percent or so.
again, if they had proof that the votes were clearly supportive of a hillary win, they would be shoving our faces in it.
the des moines register needs to file suit
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)I don't see how any reasonable person could disagree with that.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)and this breach of trust.