Scott Walker signs bill allowing concealed carry of switchblades and knives
Source: Wisconsin Gazette
Gov. Scott Walker has signed a measure allowing people to carry concealed switchblades and knives.
The governor, often criticized as a shill for the National Rifle Association, gave his signature to the measure on Saturday afternoon during the National Rifle Association and Wisconsin FORCE's annual convention in Weston.
Wisconsin FORCE, or Firearm Owners, Ranges, Clubs and Educators, is an NRA-chartered association that advocates for the right to bear arms.
Manufacturing, selling, transporting, purchasing or possessing a switchblade has been illegal in Wisconsin for decades. The Republican-authored bill eliminates the prohibition as well as permits anyone who can legally possess a gun to carry concealed knives of any length without a concealed carry license. The bill also bars local governments from enacting knife regulations stricter than state law.
Throughout his tenure, Walker and Wisconsin Republicans have continually eased restrictions on firearms. Just one week after a racially motivated massacre at a Charleston, South Carolina, church, Walker signed into law a measure eliminating the states traditional 48-hour waiting period before purchasing a firearm.
Read more: http://www.wisconsingazette.com/wisconsin/scott-walker-signs-bill-allowing-concealed-carry-of-switchblades-and-knives.html
riversedge
(70,299 posts).....In signing the law, Walker claimed that guns were being singled out for regulation, even though other lethal weapons were not. He pointed to a recent incident in which someone had been killed with a bow and arrow near a Neenah school.
PolitiFact researched the story and found it was untrue, giving Walker a pants on fire rating for the statement.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)[link:
|ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)I hate. dislike. Mistrust. Fear. Throw scorn at. Scoff at. Shake me head at. Wanker.
Yet, I have, since my boyhood, carried a knife with me, except when I fly.
Every single day. E.V.E.R.Y. S.I.N.G.L.E D.A.Y. I use it. A lot of the time. Every day. It is a somewhat fat Swiss Army knife, but there has not been one day that it hasn't been used.
So, I am conflicted. I think a good knife is unbelievably useful in many situations. I hated the fact that my nephews got in trouble for carrying small Swiss Army knives I gave them.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)of a good pocket knife. But switchblades?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)The same reason that applies to guns.
Mosby
(16,349 posts)I'm kinda OK with this.
http://www.benchmade.com/automaticknives.html
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Why is the right-wing brain so screwed up?
Too much cheese I think.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)How Wisconsin defined "Dangerous Weapon" was so vague it included knives kept in your kitchen draw. On the other hand the definition of "Switch Blade" was quite clearly defined. Thus making "knives" legal is NOT a problem, for people will carry and use knives as part of their work and thus the fact box cutters were used in the 911 incident should NOT make possession of a box cutter or any knife a crime.
On the other hand, a "Switch Blade" is rarely used for cutting open boxes and other uses, and since it was quite clearly defined, I do not see what is the problem.
Now, in the old law defining "Switch Blade", it uses the term "Blade". What is meant by that term? Could it include the key to my car that is opened by pushing a button revealing a short piece of un-sharpened metal? If that is the case, it was GM that lobbied to repeal that law for that is what GM uses as keys in its present car line up.
On the other hand, if the word "Blade" means something designed for cutting or stabbing, the GM key does not contain a "Blade" and thus NOT a "Switch Blade" as that term was defined in Wisconsin.
I am sorry, I suspect GM, once it realized that some people consider any metal projecting from anything a "Blade", the keys GM has been using for at least 10 years are illegal "Switch Blades" under the law that was repelled.
Thus the repeal of "Switch Blade" law MAY be tied in with the switch to keys, with concealed metal parts that are popped out of the "Key" by the push of a button. If that is the case, the repeal then makes sense, through redefining what a "Switch Blade" was would have been easier (i.e. Change the definition of "Switch Blade" to include a blade longer then four inches, or define a blade as something with an "Edge" that is used for cutting or stabbing, etc).
Kingofalldems
(38,474 posts)while they grab more and more wealth and power.
longship
(40,416 posts)When are we gonna get open carry bazookas? Huh!?
Tell me that, governor Walker! I demand open carry bazookas immediately!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,591 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 9, 2016, 01:16 PM - Edit history (3)
AND any ammunition is subject to the same tax on a per round basis.
A M274 A5 Mechanical mule is for sale for $28,000 with a 106mm Recoil-less rifle:
http://www.mechanicalmulesofamerica.com/106Mule.html
Thus, unless it is call a "Dangerous weapon" under Wisconsin State law, it is already legal to own.
If you want one just to tow one behind your car, it is available for $20,500:
http://www.mechanicalmulesofamerica.com/Towed106.html
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)I dislike Walker, but as long as one is a law abiding citizen, I believe he/she should be allowed to carry a knife.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Union members who need to carry knives for their jobs are arrested in NYC on the theory that their knives are 'gravity knives' (possible to flick open.)
Mosby
(16,349 posts)They are legal everywhere AFAIK.
Auto open knives are restricted to military and law enforcement use.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Under the repealed law, the definition of Switch Blade included " Assisted" opening knives,
(1)?Whoever manufactures, sells or offers to sell, transports, purchases, possesses or goes armed with any knife having a blade which opens by pressing a button, spring or other device in the handle or by gravity or by a thrust or movement is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(2)?Within 30 days after April 16, 1959, such knives shall be surrendered to any peace officer.
http://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2012/chapter-941/section-941.24/
Many State laws on Switch Blades have similar language.
New York State law restricts its definition to Automatic Knives only:
http://www.donath.org/Rants/NYSwitchbladeLaw/
But the US Federal Definition is as follows (Relates only to movement of such blades in interstate commerce NOT private possession).
As used in this chapter -
(a) The term ''interstate commerce'' means commerce between any State, Territory, possession of the United States, or the District of Columbia, and any place outside thereof.
(b) The term ''switchblade knife'' means any knife having a blade which opens automatically -
(1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife, or
(2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both.
(b) The term ''switchblade knife'' means any knife having a blade which opens automatically -
(1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife, or
(2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both
http://www.donath.org/Rants/NYSwitchbladeLaw/
turbinetree
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Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)Arguments against auto knives are just fear mongering. And letting cities make their own knife laws that preempt state law just allows cops to arrest otherwise law abiding people on technicalities.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)Legal and really convenient. I also keep a Swiss Army Knife in the car.
Not sure i can get too worked up over this.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)They generally will not go off if you drop them.
I think laws against any type of knife are stupid given half the yahoes who can carry guns legally now.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)And even though i'm not much with guns, even i can hit something from 25 feet away.
Truth be told, more than 95% of my use of this knife is to open 12 packs of beer, open shrink wrap packaging and cutting up boxes to put them in the recycling bin.
But, i like it because i can take it out of my pocket, open it with one hand, do what i needed it for, and the close it and put it away.
Honest, i don't think i'm in the Sharks or the Jets!
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)then wake me up.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Throwing stars and Nunchucks would fit under "Dangerous weapon" as that term in used in 939.22 (1), thus banned under State law.
Please note, if you can convince a jury that the Nunchucks or throwing stars are NOT a "Dangerous weapon", you would be ruled NOT Guilty for it is up to a jury decided what is or is not a "Dangerous weapon" given it is otherwise NOT defined.
The down side is under Section 941.23 (2) if the jury finds you guilty it is a Class 2 misdemeanor.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)No brass knuckles though.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:10 PM - Edit history (3)
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2015/related/acts/149The following have been REPELLED:
(1)?Whoever manufactures, sells or offers to sell, transports, purchases, possesses or goes armed with any knife having a blade which opens by pressing a button, spring or other device in the handle or by gravity or by a thrust or movement is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(2)?Within 30 days after April 16, 1959, such knives shall be surrendered to any peace officer.
http://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2012/chapter-941/section-941.24/
It does NOT appear that the Legislature ever DEFINED word "Knife" covered. Thus a one inch knife would be illegal prior to this change.
Given that Wisconsin NEVER defined what it was outlawing, and thus leaving it up to Juries to decided what a "Knife" was, these laws were to vague. The lack of a definition of what a "Knife" is, is a problem. Technically under this statute you could not take a knife to your car to cut open a box under this law for the knife or box cutter, which was the weapon of choice of the 911 terrorists, would be called a "Dangerious Weapon" and mere possession would make someone guilty of Misdemeanor.
Section 939,22 (10) is unchanged:
http://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2012/chapter-939/section-939.22/
But 941.23 (1) is added: