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Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:47 PM Feb 2016

Scott Walker signs bill allowing concealed carry of switchblades and knives

Source: Wisconsin Gazette

Gov. Scott Walker has signed a measure allowing people to carry concealed switchblades and knives.

The governor, often criticized as a shill for the National Rifle Association, gave his signature to the measure on Saturday afternoon during the National Rifle Association and Wisconsin FORCE's annual convention in Weston.

Wisconsin FORCE, or Firearm Owners, Ranges, Clubs and Educators, is an NRA-chartered association that advocates for the right to bear arms.

Manufacturing, selling, transporting, purchasing or possessing a switchblade has been illegal in Wisconsin for decades. The Republican-authored bill eliminates the prohibition as well as permits anyone who can legally possess a gun to carry concealed knives of any length without a concealed carry license. The bill also bars local governments from enacting knife regulations stricter than state law.

Throughout his tenure, Walker and Wisconsin Republicans have continually eased restrictions on firearms. Just one week after a racially motivated massacre at a Charleston, South Carolina, church, Walker signed into law a measure eliminating the state’s traditional 48-hour waiting period before purchasing a firearm.

Read more: http://www.wisconsingazette.com/wisconsin/scott-walker-signs-bill-allowing-concealed-carry-of-switchblades-and-knives.html

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Scott Walker signs bill allowing concealed carry of switchblades and knives (Original Post) Ellipsis Feb 2016 OP
And he told a pants on FIRE lie to get it passed. Nothing happens, nothing riversedge Feb 2016 #1
what could possibly go wrong? 63splitwindow Feb 2016 #2
I am conflicted. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #3
I'm also a fan Lazy Daisy Feb 2016 #6
Good point. There is just one reason for those. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #8
Being a big fan of Benchmade Mosby Feb 2016 #4
Insane! Summerfest should be a real ripper this year. Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #5
They are taking what most people would call a reasonable change to an unreasonable extent. happyslug Feb 2016 #22
Part of the republican plan to have people fighting each other Kingofalldems Feb 2016 #7
How about bazookas? longship Feb 2016 #9
Just wait. Some yahoo will try it LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2016 #15
Under Federal Law a Bazooka is subject to a $200 transfer tax happyslug Feb 2016 #20
Freddy Gray was arrested over a bullshit no switch blade law in Maryland bluestateguy Feb 2016 #10
Yes. Laws against knives are also used for dubious arrests in NYC. Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #11
grey had what is called an assisted opening knife Mosby Feb 2016 #13
Under the Wisconsin law repealed, it would have been illegal happyslug Feb 2016 #23
Lets meet the right wing hypocrite Scott Walker best bud................................... turbinetree Feb 2016 #12
Only good thing he has done. Are we supposed to be upset over this? Skeeter Barnes Feb 2016 #14
I Carry An Assisted Open Knife ProfessorGAC Feb 2016 #16
I'd feel safer with people carrying switchblades than guns. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #21
I Also Can't Hurt You With It From 25 feet Away ProfessorGAC Feb 2016 #25
Not impressed. When I can carry nunchucks, throwing stars & TNT GOLGO 13 Feb 2016 #17
TNT is regulated by the Federal Government happyslug Feb 2016 #19
You can have nunchucks and throwing stars in NH. bunnies Feb 2016 #24
Here is the Law as it is today AFTER passage of this bill happyslug Feb 2016 #18

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
1. And he told a pants on FIRE lie to get it passed. Nothing happens, nothing
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:52 PM
Feb 2016



.....In signing the law, Walker claimed that guns were being singled out for regulation, even though other lethal weapons were not. He pointed to a recent incident in which someone had been killed with a bow and arrow near a Neenah school.

PolitiFact researched the story and found it was untrue, giving Walker a “pants on fire” rating for the statement.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
3. I am conflicted.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

I hate. dislike. Mistrust. Fear. Throw scorn at. Scoff at. Shake me head at. Wanker.
Yet, I have, since my boyhood, carried a knife with me, except when I fly.
Every single day. E.V.E.R.Y. S.I.N.G.L.E D.A.Y. I use it. A lot of the time. Every day. It is a somewhat fat Swiss Army knife, but there has not been one day that it hasn't been used.

So, I am conflicted. I think a good knife is unbelievably useful in many situations. I hated the fact that my nephews got in trouble for carrying small Swiss Army knives I gave them.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
5. Insane! Summerfest should be a real ripper this year.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

Why is the right-wing brain so screwed up?

Too much cheese I think.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
22. They are taking what most people would call a reasonable change to an unreasonable extent.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:40 PM
Feb 2016

How Wisconsin defined "Dangerous Weapon" was so vague it included knives kept in your kitchen draw. On the other hand the definition of "Switch Blade" was quite clearly defined. Thus making "knives" legal is NOT a problem, for people will carry and use knives as part of their work and thus the fact box cutters were used in the 911 incident should NOT make possession of a box cutter or any knife a crime.

On the other hand, a "Switch Blade" is rarely used for cutting open boxes and other uses, and since it was quite clearly defined, I do not see what is the problem.

Now, in the old law defining "Switch Blade", it uses the term "Blade". What is meant by that term? Could it include the key to my car that is opened by pushing a button revealing a short piece of un-sharpened metal? If that is the case, it was GM that lobbied to repeal that law for that is what GM uses as keys in its present car line up.

On the other hand, if the word "Blade" means something designed for cutting or stabbing, the GM key does not contain a "Blade" and thus NOT a "Switch Blade" as that term was defined in Wisconsin.

I am sorry, I suspect GM, once it realized that some people consider any metal projecting from anything a "Blade", the keys GM has been using for at least 10 years are illegal "Switch Blades" under the law that was repelled.

Thus the repeal of "Switch Blade" law MAY be tied in with the switch to keys, with concealed metal parts that are popped out of the "Key" by the push of a button. If that is the case, the repeal then makes sense, through redefining what a "Switch Blade" was would have been easier (i.e. Change the definition of "Switch Blade" to include a blade longer then four inches, or define a blade as something with an "Edge" that is used for cutting or stabbing, etc).

Kingofalldems

(38,474 posts)
7. Part of the republican plan to have people fighting each other
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 09:04 PM
Feb 2016

while they grab more and more wealth and power.

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. How about bazookas?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 09:25 PM
Feb 2016

When are we gonna get open carry bazookas? Huh!?

Tell me that, governor Walker! I demand open carry bazookas immediately!


 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
20. Under Federal Law a Bazooka is subject to a $200 transfer tax
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:02 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 9, 2016, 01:16 PM - Edit history (3)

AND any ammunition is subject to the same tax on a per round basis.

A M274 A5 Mechanical mule is for sale for $28,000 with a 106mm Recoil-less rifle:



http://www.mechanicalmulesofamerica.com/106Mule.html

Thus, unless it is call a "Dangerous weapon" under Wisconsin State law, it is already legal to own.

If you want one just to tow one behind your car, it is available for $20,500:



http://www.mechanicalmulesofamerica.com/Towed106.html

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
10. Freddy Gray was arrested over a bullshit no switch blade law in Maryland
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:16 PM
Feb 2016

I dislike Walker, but as long as one is a law abiding citizen, I believe he/she should be allowed to carry a knife.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
11. Yes. Laws against knives are also used for dubious arrests in NYC.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

Union members who need to carry knives for their jobs are arrested in NYC on the theory that their knives are 'gravity knives' (possible to flick open.)

Mosby

(16,349 posts)
13. grey had what is called an assisted opening knife
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

They are legal everywhere AFAIK.

Auto open knives are restricted to military and law enforcement use.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
23. Under the Wisconsin law repealed, it would have been illegal
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

Under the repealed law, the definition of Switch Blade included " Assisted" opening knives,

941.24? Possession of switchblade knife.

(1)?Whoever manufactures, sells or offers to sell, transports, purchases, possesses or goes armed with any knife having a blade which opens by pressing a button, spring or other device in the handle or by gravity or by a thrust or movement is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

(2)?Within 30 days after April 16, 1959, such knives shall be surrendered to any peace officer.

http://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2012/chapter-941/section-941.24/


Many State laws on Switch Blades have similar language.

New York State law restricts its definition to Automatic Knives only:

http://www.donath.org/Rants/NYSwitchbladeLaw/

But the US Federal Definition is as follows (Relates only to movement of such blades in interstate commerce NOT private possession).

29 USC Sec. 1241. Definitions
As used in this chapter -
(a) The term ''interstate commerce'' means commerce between any State, Territory, possession of the United States, or the District of Columbia, and any place outside thereof.
(b) The term ''switchblade knife'' means any knife having a blade which opens automatically -
(1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife, or
(2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both.

(b) The term ''switchblade knife'' means any knife having a blade which opens automatically -
(1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife, or
(2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both


http://www.donath.org/Rants/NYSwitchbladeLaw/

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
12. Lets meet the right wing hypocrite Scott Walker best bud...................................
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016
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Skeeter Barnes

(994 posts)
14. Only good thing he has done. Are we supposed to be upset over this?
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 03:01 AM
Feb 2016

Arguments against auto knives are just fear mongering. And letting cities make their own knife laws that preempt state law just allows cops to arrest otherwise law abiding people on technicalities.

ProfessorGAC

(65,168 posts)
16. I Carry An Assisted Open Knife
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:15 AM
Feb 2016

Legal and really convenient. I also keep a Swiss Army Knife in the car.

Not sure i can get too worked up over this.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
21. I'd feel safer with people carrying switchblades than guns.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

They generally will not go off if you drop them.

I think laws against any type of knife are stupid given half the yahoes who can carry guns legally now.

ProfessorGAC

(65,168 posts)
25. I Also Can't Hurt You With It From 25 feet Away
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

And even though i'm not much with guns, even i can hit something from 25 feet away.

Truth be told, more than 95% of my use of this knife is to open 12 packs of beer, open shrink wrap packaging and cutting up boxes to put them in the recycling bin.

But, i like it because i can take it out of my pocket, open it with one hand, do what i needed it for, and the close it and put it away.

Honest, i don't think i'm in the Sharks or the Jets!

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
19. TNT is regulated by the Federal Government
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

Throwing stars and Nunchucks would fit under "Dangerous weapon" as that term in used in 939.22 (1), thus banned under State law.

Please note, if you can convince a jury that the Nunchucks or throwing stars are NOT a "Dangerous weapon", you would be ruled NOT Guilty for it is up to a jury decided what is or is not a "Dangerous weapon" given it is otherwise NOT defined.

The down side is under Section 941.23 (2) if the jury finds you guilty it is a Class 2 misdemeanor.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
18. Here is the Law as it is today AFTER passage of this bill
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:57 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:10 PM - Edit history (3)

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2015/related/acts/149

The following have been REPELLED:

941.24? Possession of switchblade knife.

(1)?Whoever manufactures, sells or offers to sell, transports, purchases, possesses or goes armed with any knife having a blade which opens by pressing a button, spring or other device in the handle or by gravity or by a thrust or movement is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

(2)?Within 30 days after April 16, 1959, such knives shall be surrendered to any peace officer.

http://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2012/chapter-941/section-941.24/


It does NOT appear that the Legislature ever DEFINED word "Knife" covered. Thus a one inch knife would be illegal prior to this change.

Given that Wisconsin NEVER defined what it was outlawing, and thus leaving it up to Juries to decided what a "Knife" was, these laws were to vague. The lack of a definition of what a "Knife" is, is a problem. Technically under this statute you could not take a knife to your car to cut open a box under this law for the knife or box cutter, which was the weapon of choice of the 911 terrorists, would be called a "Dangerious Weapon" and mere possession would make someone guilty of Misdemeanor.

Section 939,22 (10) is unchanged:

(10)?"Dangerous weapon" means any firearm, whether loaded or unloaded; any device designed as a weapon and capable of producing death or great bodily harm; any ligature or other instrumentality used on the throat, neck, nose, or mouth of another person to impede, partially or completely, breathing or circulation of blood; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); or any other device or instrumentality which, in the manner it is used or intended to be used, is calculated or likely to produce death or great bodily harm.

http://law.justia.com/codes/wisconsin/2012/chapter-939/section-939.22/


But 941.23 (1) is added:

941.23 (1) (ap) Notwithstanding s. 939.22 (10), "dangerous weapon" does not include a knife
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