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IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,077 posts)
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:40 AM Feb 2016

House advances bill aimed at protecting conservative views on sex, marriage

Source: Sioux Falls ArgusLeader (Gannett)

"The South Dakota House of Representatives advanced a measure on a 46-10 vote Monday that would allow people or organizations to discriminate against same-sex couples, unmarried pregnant women or transgender people without jeopardizing state contracts or employment."



Read more: http://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/08/house-advances-bill-aimed-protecting-conservative-views-sex-marriage/79998670/



I can only shake my head in disgust. Is this going to stand up in a court of law?
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House advances bill aimed at protecting conservative views on sex, marriage (Original Post) IthinkThereforeIAM Feb 2016 OP
That's a disgrace Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #1
In South Dakota? atreides1 Feb 2016 #3
And yet this is the state lancer78 Feb 2016 #35
I believe this is against our constitution and will be struck down in court. trillion Feb 2016 #37
Christianity atreides1 Feb 2016 #2
It will, and it will be just like other countries with theocracies. Wars, destruction and deaths RKP5637 Feb 2016 #5
These people are cowards and Fascists. Oneironaut Feb 2016 #28
A government small enough to fit christx30 Feb 2016 #39
Jesus wants me to be a bigot. Botany Feb 2016 #6
And God doesn't directly intervene just because! Oneironaut Feb 2016 #27
Well God let the Earth have: Botany Feb 2016 #30
And he couldn't even write his own book! Oneironaut Feb 2016 #36
And some people here argue there wasn't much reason to show up to vote in the 2014 midterms progree Feb 2016 #4
Yep!!!! Exactly what is gong on!!!! So sad and pathetic. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #7
We just need to take our party back Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #14
Meanwhile, Republican extremists take over 2/3 of the states, and have more House of Representative progree Feb 2016 #16
Sometimes things just need to get worse Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #17
"We had to destroy the village in order to save it" Freddie Feb 2016 #26
None of us have time to wait for change either. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #29
Their goal is an Article V Convention SwankyXomb Feb 2016 #22
No! That's wrong. Springslips Feb 2016 #38
+1000000000 treestar Feb 2016 #23
To define one's self by what, or who, you hate... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #8
It is a progression, because we are only presented with the lesser of the evils to vote for. -none Feb 2016 #31
I haven't been to South Dakota in a few years. Must have changed. BlueJazz Feb 2016 #9
One of my favorite places to go camping mountain grammy Feb 2016 #10
It is amazing how unimportant things like the constitution are Scalded Nun Feb 2016 #11
Just think South Dakota has Mount Rushmore..................Black Hills........... turbinetree Feb 2016 #12
Totally agree but I think that the first people to object what jwirr Feb 2016 #15
The state has a shared responsibility on what happens .............................. turbinetree Feb 2016 #19
That is very different from what my families reservation is jwirr Feb 2016 #20
I lived in South Dakota (15 yrs) RC, I have gone down to Arizona, Wyoming (Cheyenne) turbinetree Feb 2016 #24
You are totally correct about it mattering who your elected jwirr Feb 2016 #25
You have that correct......................... turbinetree Feb 2016 #33
When are the church and conservatives going to get it jwirr Feb 2016 #13
It will be shot down in federal court. Maybe even state court. It's a loser on the face of it. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #18
The Dakotas are full of seething bigots. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #21
Agreed. It's why I'll never return to live in my home state. Hong Kong Cavalier Feb 2016 #40
They are no better than ISIS n/t rexcat Feb 2016 #32
Legislative malfeasance & malpractice to pass laws that are obviously unconstitutional Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2016 #34
So if a woman doesn't get an abortion, and plans to keep to baby, they still aren't happy with her. StevieM Feb 2016 #41

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
3. In South Dakota?
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

Please, the cross worshipers love being able to say that God told them it's fine to be a bigoted asshole!

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
35. And yet this is the state
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

that gave us McGovern. After all the banksters moved in so they could charge whatever interest rate they wanted, the state became very conservative.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
37. I believe this is against our constitution and will be struck down in court.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 05:24 PM
Feb 2016

I wonder what the Civil Liberties Union has to say.

"The measure would prohibit the state from retaliating against people who voice beliefs that marriage should be exclusively between one man and one woman, that sexual intercourse should only occur between married couples and that gender is determined by biological sex at birth.

People who express those views would be protected from termination of employment or enrollment, loss of funding, accreditation or tax exemption in some cases, or termination of state contracts"

It will likely be a violation of federal law. I can see this only being used for Harassment and firing employees the Christo fascists don't like.

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
2. Christianity
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 09:52 AM
Feb 2016

Still bigoted after all these centuries!


Put any of the Republican candidates in the White House, and this country will have the cross worshiping faction of the Islamic State!!!

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
5. It will, and it will be just like other countries with theocracies. Wars, destruction and deaths
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

will be prevalent.

Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
28. These people are cowards and Fascists.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

They claim to be "small government" supporters, but want a big government to force people into their backwards ways.

Botany

(70,581 posts)
6. Jesus wants me to be a bigot.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:14 AM
Feb 2016

Because God Promised me an extra comfy hammock in heaven if
I am mean to gays when I am on earth.

Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
27. And God doesn't directly intervene just because!
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:02 PM
Feb 2016

He needs humans to do it for him, despite intervening directly many times in the Bible. Makes so much sense.

God also created LGBT people all while hating them at the same time. Sounds like a major jerk!

Botany

(70,581 posts)
30. Well God let the Earth have:
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

gay people, a fossil record, and having the chimps and gorillas have the exact
same hemoglobin in their blood (>98% DNA match) as humans because he wants
to test our faith and if we don't pass his tests he will burn us forever in a lake of
fire because he loves us.


BTW if "the gay thing" was as important as some Christians say it is Jesus would have
said something about in the New Testament but he didn't so they can all piss off.

Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
36. And he couldn't even write his own book!
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

He needed humans to do it for him by whispering stuff in their ears and giving them visions. Hmm...

One thing I've never gotten an answer for - what about the hundred thousand years of humans before Jesus? Oops - guess they all went to hell. Also, what about the people that weren't brought up Christian and had no Christian influence? Guess they're going too.

I love the "testing our faith" cop-out. It's an easy exit and excuse for the cognitive dissonance arising from ideas that so clearly conflict with common sense. You can see why the devil is such a convenient character in the lore - he's useful for resolving almost all conflicting ideas because you can just blame him for them.

What I find equally interesting is how the same people who treat the Bible as sacred ignore parts of it that are inconvenient to them, and self-righteously twist its words to fit their agenda.

progree

(10,918 posts)
4. And some people here argue there wasn't much reason to show up to vote in the 2014 midterms
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:12 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:44 AM - Edit history (1)

because there wasn't any truly wonderful inspirational progressives running in my state, yada yada, so I'll just sit at home in protest

Meanwhile radical Republican extremists have taken over about 2/3 of the states, and they are passing all kinds of god awful shit like this, plus voting restrictions, endless women's health restrictions, cutting what little there is of the safety net at the state level (and blocking what they can from the feds like putting all kinds of eligibility restrictions on food stamps, refusing Medicaid expansion...), replacing progressive taxes with regressive ones, destroying unions (e.g. making their states right-to-work-for-less states), ...

Sometimes we just have to play defense.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
14. We just need to take our party back
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:53 AM
Feb 2016

by running an overwhelming number of true progressives.

The voters don't get all of the blame. The party needs to fight for candidates that inspire. That should be its purpose.

progree

(10,918 posts)
16. Meanwhile, Republican extremists take over 2/3 of the states, and have more House of Representative
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:06 AM
Feb 2016

seats since the 1950s or whenever. So if the Democratic Party isn't wonderfully progressive, the heck with it, let's go back to coat hangars and back alleys.

[font color = blue]>>The party needs to fight for candidates that inspire. That should be its purpose.<<[/font]

Sometimes the world isn't the way we want it to be.

Freddie

(9,273 posts)
26. "We had to destroy the village in order to save it"
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

I'm 60 years old. Don't have time to watch them destroy the country because some people are holding out for ponies and rainbows.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
29. None of us have time to wait for change either.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

I have many family and friends that will be hurt by a Republican President and Congress. I and many of my family and friends will also be hurt by more of the same from a Democratic President and Congress.

Positive change for the 99% must occur. If it must get worse before that happens then it must.

Springslips

(533 posts)
38. No! That's wrong.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 05:40 PM
Feb 2016

Why is this suddenly a thing. I have had to correct several people on this the last couple months. A convention can only propose amendments, like congress can, but it still takes 3/4th of the States to ratify as normal. An article V convention will not be the end of anything.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. +1000000000
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 01:07 PM
Feb 2016

Yeah pay no attention to the boring lower offices. The Presidency can do it all! They are delusional.

Republicans never stay home. They have tons more tenacity than we have.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
8. To define one's self by what, or who, you hate...
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:17 AM
Feb 2016

... is repugnant. To take malicious delight in the pain caused by that mindless hatred is the mark of a sociopath.

No one wants to believe that the majority of Americans are sociopaths, so why are the majority of state legislatures controlled by sociopaths?

Discuss.

-none

(1,884 posts)
31. It is a progression, because we are only presented with the lesser of the evils to vote for.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016
No one wants to believe that the majority of Americans are sociopaths, so why are the majority of state legislatures controlled by sociopaths?


Politicians lie to us when campaigning, then do the bidding of those that bought and paid for their campaign.

mountain grammy

(26,648 posts)
10. One of my favorite places to go camping
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:25 AM
Feb 2016

the beautiful Black Hills. Damn you, South Dakota. I say give the whole state back to the American Indians.

Scalded Nun

(1,239 posts)
11. It is amazing how unimportant things like the constitution are
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:26 AM
Feb 2016

to people like this when it does not line up with their beliefs.

They won't be happy until they turn this country into a version of 30s Germany.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
12. Just think South Dakota has Mount Rushmore..................Black Hills...........
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

the symbol of what this country is all about. Right up there in the granite faces.

And then we have this as a reminder .................................... of the colonialist-settlers.....................mentality, today and from the past and in your present priorities------------------amazing, always dividing and trying to conquer.

South Dakota attacks people based on sexual orientation, woman's right for choice, for example----------------when they should be doing something about there hypocritical rancher / farmer mindset from the past use of the Doctrine of Discovery and Manifest Destiny unto a entire culture of the Indigenous people called the Oglala Sioux------------------------this is shameful and down right hypocritical, when this legislature goes around putting forth their concept of moral values.

If, you (South Dakota) can't look into this very problem on the Pine Ridge Reservation first, why would you pass legislation to hurt more people? Because you really are small in your thinking.

Your legislative body has done what to help the "reservations" and the people -----------------not much really, where are the jobs, housing, schools, roads, voting -----------------no where.

This says everything about your population of the coboy and cogirl majority and its rule.

You have already done enough damage, and it really shows how this legislature and many others are inept when it comes to their so called Christian Values-----------------they are racists and bigots, just like the Doctrine of Discovery and the Manifest Destiny mantra from the past being used today, except they are using a different standard with the same set of values---------to hurt people(s).

This measure says everything about you--------------you have discriminated against the Indigenous people since first contact and now you have gone after another set of people(s)------------------you really have no shame------------------you have not asked for any help to fix the reservation problem with the federal government on this important issue------------------this alone say everything about this society and its virtues, morality and principles ----------------everything

Here are some facts of the Pine Ridge Reservation and what you haven't done in your real world of neglect --------------------remember your ilk forced the Indigenous People onto this land, and your ilk created this mess---------------and we need to remind you of this fact

http://www.re-member.org/pine-ridge-reservation.aspx


jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. Totally agree but I think that the first people to object what
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:02 AM
Feb 2016

you are suggesting (that the state of South Dakota) fix these things would be the Native Americans themselves. Almost everything that deals with these problems are the responsibility of the US government and the tribal leaders. Unfortunately the US government and tribal leaders do not get along very well and so nothing gets done.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
19. The state has a shared responsibility on what happens ..............................
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

on some items on the reservation.

This state was created by the federal government right along when North Dakota, Wyoming were created in that time frame.
They the state, and the federal government, then created this reservation hell hole to continue the genocide, since South Dakota likes to lean on its "state rights' format, then they can step in to resolve some of these issues-----------------but they haven't, then they would have to share in the tourism, gambling, ect,. with the Indigenous People, they would have to also admit that some of the treaties which were signed were illegal.

Then, down below we have what the right wing republicans hypocrite's Thune and Noem are doing about the situation on the reservation


http://www.sdtribalrelations.com/dgoals.aspx

http://www.4aihf.org/id40.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/north_america-july-dec11-blackhills_08-23/

http://dakotafreepress.com/2015/10/21/senator-thunes-solution-for-social-problems-on-pine-ridge-hire-more-cops/


Thune solution is to place his lack of responsibilities onto the feet of you and me, and basically collect a $225,000 check, sitting and doing this job: What a hypocrite----------he has not, and she has not, offered anything


http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Conference_Chairpersons.htm


The state can go to the tribes and the federal government, and to put forth a plan to do something, anything of what is happening on the "reservations" , they have not done so.

Indigenous tribal leadership is adamant in what it wants, its called fairness, this time

If you have a credit card for example you will notice that it says South Dakota, on the back of the card.

There is a reason for this, it is because of how the state government set up the fees for these credit card issuers, there is not much money going to the reservations based on the foot print to what there these firms are generating from within this state except millions of dollars for and to the state, being passed along to any card holder compnay with the fees.

They, are not giving any of these monies to the reservation or attempting to put the Indigenous People to work, not one of these firms has set up shop on the reservation, the state, both federally and locally could have demanded that it be placed on the reservation---------------it was not done so--------------

This is the state(s) and federal governments problem------------they created this mess, it is not the other way around





jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. That is very different from what my families reservation is
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

like. Oh, we have many of the same statistics. But we do not have state sponsored services which is why we do not have to pay state income taxes unless we live off the rez. We have our own social services departments, our own police force, our own housing program, our own health clinics, and many other federal government programs. It is one of the reasons our tribal leaders and the feds do not get along so well - the tribe is trying run its own programs with the money from the feds. And the feds are trying to keep hands off so that they can.

I once had a complaint which I took to my elected representative - his answer was that I needed to take it up with the tribal leaders because they do not like to be told what to do. I immediately got the point.

I have been to the Pine Ridge rez and know that they are very poor but they are extremely isolated and there are not many ways to bring jobs out there - do they have a casino and a community close enough to bring in players?

One of the things that happened on our rez before it got better was that years ago the tribal leaders did not take advantage of federal programs - housing had up to 4 generations living in one 3 bedroom house. Not good. Today they have a big housing program that not only provides housing for most of the people but also hires tribal members to do regular maintenance. That was not done by the state or the feds (except for the money) but by the tribe themselves. And on our rez that is the way we want it.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
24. I lived in South Dakota (15 yrs) RC, I have gone down to Arizona, Wyoming (Cheyenne)
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 01:20 PM
Feb 2016

I understand the sovereignty issue with the Indigenous People, I get that, my mother was Cherokee, from the band in the Tennessee area and the distrust

But when you have people like McCain and Fleck for example, who are still attacking the Indigenous People lets say in Arizona to give some land to some corporation the tribal land for greed and not getting anything in return -------------------then the reservation has to do something.

We are on the same page on this issue, it is how it is being implemented, is what I am talking about.
There was a opportunity to place some of the call centers on the reservation, they were not.
Its like here is this land that we will be so kind to give to you, so good luck-------------I mean really

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
25. You are totally correct about it mattering who your elected
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 01:24 PM
Feb 2016

officials are. Thune especially is a snake. If you do not have good representation in the US Congress you are going to have trouble. Unfortunately most non-natives do not care about what is happening on the rez as long as it stays on the rez. Thus they elect Thune and McCain and others like them.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
33. You have that correct.........................
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

My mother and brother and sisters use to go to the Pine Ridge, then we would go over Pactola Reservoir.

She would tell us what was going on and how it was going on and she told me all of us "never" forget your heritage, there will be some who want to make it go away likes there is no problems, but you have seen and heard what is and was happening.
An you are very much correct, I think the people of this country should go a spend a week on this particular reservation and the Rosebud, and the Apache Reservations-------------and then go back to there homes and and just ask themselves am I really do this, and am I proud of doing this, and would I like to have this done to me and my family

I think Thune and McCain, and I will include the other worthless hypocrite Jeff Fleck , they all have banality in there actions------------they are corrupt stooges, that's it



Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016



jwirr

(39,215 posts)
13. When are the church and conservatives going to get it
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

through their heads that they are already protected? NO ONE is forcing them to change their sexual and marriage ideas.

All that anyone has asked is that they give the same respect as they are asking for. The right to practice in their personal life what they want to do.

They are always talking about their businesses - business is NOT personal. It is by nature public.

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,573 posts)
40. Agreed. It's why I'll never return to live in my home state.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

South Dakota (my home state) would ban fire for being "too progressive" if they could get away with it.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
34. Legislative malfeasance & malpractice to pass laws that are obviously unconstitutional
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 04:35 PM
Feb 2016

... but they do it for personal political gain to please their base.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
41. So if a woman doesn't get an abortion, and plans to keep to baby, they still aren't happy with her.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

The still want her discriminated against.

These monsters want only one thing: no sex outside of marriage and EVERY SINGLE CHILD born out of wedlock given up for adoption.

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