Tamir Rice family billed by Cleveland officials for expenses after the 12 year old was shot by cops
Source: Raw Story
U.S. NEWS
Cleveland officials take Tamir Rices family to court over $500 last dying expense
The city of Cleveland not only billed Tamir Rices family for medical service fees, it went so far as to file a creditors claim against them, Cleveland Scene reported on Wednesday.
City officials are charging the family $500 for emergency medical services rendered as the decedents last dying expense under Ohio Revised Code, according to a document filed in Cuyahoga County court on Wednesday.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/cleveland-officials-take-tamir-rices-family-to-court-over-500-last-dying-expense/
Callousness doesn't begin to describe this action by officials. There is something heinous going on in this country to poor black Americans while bullets continue to fly.
I believe America is officially sick at heart.
raging moderate
(4,309 posts)Maybe a bunch of us could chip in, maybe both to pay this bogus bill for services that clearly were NOT rendered and to launch a good lawsuit for this family.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)It seems ridiculous that when they actually break the law, they make money. In the case of Tamir Rice, the family is actually punished when their innocent son is killed by police.
Will look for funding site.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)and a letter writing campaign to the Cleveland plain dealer? I want to see these fuckers pay the Rice family a MINIMUM of $1 million in damages for the murder of their son and the continued pain and suffering they've caused. PLUS issue a formal apology! If they refuse, disband the entire force and start over from scratch. Nothing less is acceptable!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/
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kacekwl
(7,021 posts)Don't pay these assholes a freaking penny . I hope they have a good lawyer working for them , if not maybe one could find them . How dare they. The cops who killed him should pay the bill and beg for forgiveness.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)kacekwl
(7,021 posts)pro-bono case for law firm.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)Organizer: Counsel for the Family and Estate of Tamir Rice
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)And deeply saddening.
jfern
(5,204 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)We live in one sick country.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)and dare the city to come and get it.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It's in the hands of private corporation. Sick!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)is police showing up. If you're AA bad things usually happen. That the city is doing this is disgusting as hell.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)The oligarchs have Richistan, and we, the vast Hoi Polloi, have shit sandwiches.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,022 posts)trillion
(1,859 posts)Lars39
(26,116 posts)Absolutely sick.
trillion
(1,859 posts)gladium et scutum
(808 posts)this is the bureaucracy at work. Low level clerk gets invoice for services rendered. this individual generates a collection document and send it to the party involved. No malice, no malicious intent. just an hourly employee of government doing the job that they were paid to do.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)And who is that person's supervisor?
Someone knows what the fuck they're doing.
gladium et scutum
(808 posts)The EMTs generate a document for services rendered, it is pass through the jurisdictional chain of command. The accounts payable clerk receives the document and issues a bill for services due. It is not a matter of knowing what the "f--k" is going on. It is business as usual in the administrative offices of government. Most of the people, doing their jobs, probably do not recognize the name of the victim.
crim son
(27,464 posts)is unknown by ANYBODY who works for the City of Cleveland. Really, you'd have to be a moron.
trillion
(1,859 posts)This is only an aggressive bullying tactic. It isn't innocent at all. Why the hell should they get to send a bill for showing up and murdering a child within seconds? Tamir's family paid their police bill in taxes. There is no more owed.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Such bills are automatic in most cities. I doubt if anyone actually looked at the bill except to see that the treatment in the bill had been done (the 12 year old WAS transported in an ambulance). I doubt if anyone looked at the name except to confirm that their were billing the correct family (and that was a check on the Ambulance report that listed his name and family, data most ambulances gather when they pick up someone, or when the family arrives at the hospital they ambulance drivers took the child to.
This is all driven by the desire to keep taxes low, thus Cities will bill people so that the cost of as many acts by the city is NOT paid by the taxpayers.
People tend to forget that outside of the older urban areas, Police are paid NOT through taxes but tickets and that has been the case since Police came into existence (outside of urban areas) in the 1920s (Urban areas had police starting in the 1830s, but those tended to be paid by taxes).
Basically, even the State Police are paid from tickets not taxes. Thus push for Driver's licenses in the 1920s was so Police could pull someone over, give him or her a ticket and then wait for the next victim. Prior to driver's licenses, the Police would have to take the person her stopped to the local Justice of the Peace who would arraign the arrestee and force him or her to post a bond or go to jail. Taking a driver to the Justice of the Peace took the officer from writing tickets, but once a license was required (and a heavy fine if driving without one, including on the owner of the vehicle being driven by the person without a license) the police only had to write down the name and address of the driver mail him or her when to show up for the hearing or to pay the fine.
Without driver's license it is hard to give people tickets. How do you get around the right NOT to incriminate oneself by giving the police officer your name? Various states have passed laws that require you to give your name to Police Officers upon request, but the constitutionality of such laws has NOT been tested. At least one state court has said Police have the right to search you for ID (and another state court ruled such searches unconstitutional).
I bring his all up, for arresting people and giving them tickets has been a revenue source for local government for centuries. Prior to the 1920s, they would take you to a local Justice of the Peace and force you to post a bond equal to the fine, if you did not show up for the trial the fine would be forfeited. Since the 1920s, the Police have come to use Driver's Licenses for it permits the police to pull someone over, give them a ticket without having them post a bond. This means the police did not have to waste time after each arrest to book someone for a ticket-able offense. This free the officer to write more tickets (That most people just paid anyway). Driver's like tickets more then they liked going to a Justice of the Peace to post a bond, for it did not tie them up all day looking for someone to post their bond.
Thus traffic tickets not taxes pay for most police outside of the inner city (and even in cities tickets are a major source of revenue for the Police). Thus sending bills to people police, fire and other emergency workers provided some "Service" for has followed the same track. i.e. it is a major source of revenue and pays for providing such services rather then have taxes pay for such services. Such fees are integrated into the Police and Judicial system and have been since the time of Henry II of England.
I bring this up to show the whole Criminal Justice System is set up to charge Fees and to cost Taxpayers the least and thus fees are almost always charged for no one wants the Taxpayer to pick up the bill.
Side note: Henry II of England (who lived at the time or Robin Hood and was the Father of KIng Richard the Lion-heart) adopted the present Court System of England, a system you PAY to hear your case. Prior to to Henry II the Court System of England was based on tradition but such "Judges" heard cases when they wanted to, they were NOT compelled to hear cases but all judicial issues had to go through them. Henry II did NOT abolish the older court system, but since his Judges under his System were being paid by the litigates, such Judges heard hearings on cases quickly. The older system just faded away but seems to have lasted another 50 years or so (Such Courts were used mostly for local issues thus the exact date they failed to function is unknown, but were replaced by Justices of the Peace is most functions when such courts were set up by Richard I). Justice of the Peace Court are also courts one must PAY to hear your case, thus follows the rules of higher courts.
Please Note, Criminal Charges are generally free, i.e. no fee to file, but in many states must also be filed with the police and District Attorney. Furthermore in such cases the person being charged has to post a bond, thus a "fee" is "charged" but it is the Defendant who pays the money unless the Justice of the Peace decided NOT to require a bond.
so that the payments to the Judges would be made to hear the case. This obligation to pay to file a case has remained a part of the Law ever since Henry II.
gladium et scutum
(808 posts)provided by the EMTs. They submitted the charges to their supervisors, they then generated a bill to the Rice family for the medical services rendered. Not an uncommon procedure. The EMT services where I live will bill your insurance co. for services rendered, If the insurance company rejects the bill, the city eats the cost, they do not bill the individual. Don't know how Cleveland handles these issues.
trillion
(1,859 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)brer cat
(24,606 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)We should BOMBARD these assholes with calls! They should be paying the family for the pointless murder of their kid! I used to live in Cleveland. Geez, I'm beginning to loathe cops and Cleveland officials to a degree that I never felt possible!!
secondwind
(16,903 posts)montana_hazeleyes
(3,424 posts)This is about as rotten as it gets.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)They should be publicly named, the sick fucks.
First they murder Rice, then let the murderer off the hook, and then charge the family for the 'privilege' of of having their son murdered?
Fucking disgusting.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)From the Cleveland PD website:
Calvin D. Williams, Chief of Police
1300 Ontario St.
Cleveland, Ohio 44113
?itok=lNXrmgQ_
Send an email:
http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/CityofCleveland/Home/contact/department?code=6002
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Will do.
crim son
(27,464 posts)Everybody should do the same.
mgmaggiemg
(869 posts)irisblue
(33,032 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Sometimes, it isn't worth it to go after $500....it will probably cost them tens of thousands of dollars for this stunt. At least, I hope so.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)they also have to intimidate and extort them as well? is wrong with these people?
libodem
(19,288 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Tamir's family should not have to go through this. Cleveland owes them reparations, not the other way around.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)and now I don't even recognize it anymore.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)They feel no shame in dispensing and repeating vile rhetoric, exortations to violence, misogyny, racism, etc. And this type of behavior is what they want to "take back", or take us back to.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... these filthy bags of pig excrement are trying to start a race war. They are monsters beneath contempt. My stepson is a cop and if he was ever party to such a disgusting stunt, neither his mother nor I would EVER speak to him again.
Kennah
(14,315 posts)Sarcasm isn't the proper tag, so I'll use this one.
<disgust>
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Yes, Putin has been ACCUSED of killing his political enemies, but as to "regular" criminals Russia has no death Penalty thus the family can not longer be billed for the bullets.
Kennah
(14,315 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Beacool
(30,253 posts)They killed their son and have the nerve to bill the family for medical services????
That sounds just as crazy at what I heard on the news tonight. A woman delivered a healthy baby. Doctors made a mistake and performed surgery on her baby, instead of the one who needed the surgery. To top it all, they billed the family for the unnecessary procedure. I hope that they sue the hospital, the poor tyke.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Bernin
(311 posts)hasn't this family sued the ever living @#$% out of Cleveland?
And to think we used to say how disgusting it was that China bills the families of those they killed for the bullet.
It's as if someone is trying to provoke a civil war.
Might want to rethink that oligarchs. You live in very recognizable zip codes and that's where it will start and end.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)cost of the bullet.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)City officials demands are an affront to humanity and seriously put to rest the idea of this being a Christian nation.
sueh
(1,827 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Disgusting!
AllyCat
(16,223 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Absolutely horrible. There are no words...
Eugene
(61,949 posts)Source: ABC News
By JULIA JACOBO
Feb 11, 2016, 12:46 PM ET
The estate of Tamir Rice will not be required to pay a $500 ambulance bill for which the city of Cleveland, Ohio, had filed a claim in court. Cleveland officials said today the bill had been automatically generated and that the claim has now been closed.
Rice was shot dead by a Cleveland police officer in November 2014 while he was holding a toy gun. Cleveland officials said Rice's estate had requested, as legally required, a billing statement for all services rendered to Rice on the day he died. That led to the citys being made aware that the estate could potentially pay for emergency medical services provided to Rice which Medicaid did not cover, triggering an automatic process that filed the $500 claim to the estate according to city officials. Rice's family never received a bill and the city has absorbed the remaining balance.
The $500 charge was listed as his "last dying expense," ABC affiliate WEWS in Cleveland reported.
An Ohio grand jury declined to indict two police officers in his death.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/500-ambulance-bill-charged-tamir-rices-estate-withdrawn/story?id=36862842
catrose
(5,073 posts)John Robison in Raising Cubby described what happened when the police decided his son was a terrorist: tearing everything out of closets (though they were told the chemistry lab was in the basement) and stomping the contents into unusability, turning off electricity and gas and leaving it that way so that the house was condemned, taking almost 24 hours to go through everything in the lab (and calling for higher and higher backup, until they reached a PhD in the FBI, because it didn't look like a meth lab or a terrorist bomb lab, and that's all the police knew how to recognize). The mother, Mary Robison, was billed for "cleanup of dangerous chemical spill" by the Hazmat team but declined to pay, pointing out that there hadn't been any spills (unless caused by the police); the chemicals were all appropriately and safely contained. After the ordeal, the police decided, "This is a kid's chemistry lab" (duh), but the DA decided to prosecute anyway. The boy was unanimously acquitted, but the bills kept coming.