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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:18 PM Feb 2016

Long-lost Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Antonio Salieri composition found in Prague

Source: ABC News Australia

A long-lost collaborative effort between composers and putative rivals Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Antonio Salieri has been found at a Czech museum.

"It's a really valuable work... long thought to have been lost," Czech National Museum spokeswoman Sarka Dockalova said, adding that staff discovered it in the reserve collection.

"It's a joint composition by Mozart and Salieri — a libretto by Lorenzo Da Ponte put to music."

Ms Dockalova said it would be performed on Tuesday at a press conference in Prague.

Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-13/mozart,-salieri-composition-found-in-prague/7165566

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Long-lost Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Antonio Salieri composition found in Prague (Original Post) Little Tich Feb 2016 OP
wow! dhill926 Feb 2016 #1
x1000 roguevalley Feb 2016 #23
holy moly. nt DesertFlower Feb 2016 #2
Cool news! HuckleB Feb 2016 #3
Does it have redwitch Feb 2016 #4
I can not vouch for Salieri, but Mozrt wrote only those notes that were necessary. pangaia Feb 2016 #6
Hey, good reference packman Feb 2016 #35
lol FreedomRain Feb 2016 #10
This? fbc Feb 2016 #11
"Play Peter Griffin" louis-t Feb 2016 #33
Great movie! redwitch Feb 2016 #13
Precisely what I was thinking about, Mira Feb 2016 #12
I was so afraid no one would get it. redwitch Feb 2016 #15
I don't like Pizza. whenever someone asks me why Mira Feb 2016 #19
He was brilliant in Amadeus. redwitch Feb 2016 #20
I wonder what happened to Tom Hulce? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #42
The whole cast was like that cemaphonic Feb 2016 #53
He retired from acting to concentrate on producing - he won a Tony award in 2007 hack89 Feb 2016 #55
I got it. Ino Feb 2016 #21
I really like to hear sharp_stick Feb 2016 #5
It will be mercuryblues Feb 2016 #7
Thanks n/t sharp_stick Feb 2016 #17
And they've already gotten around to the first recording of it! drokhole Feb 2016 #8
Kewl! Turbineguy Feb 2016 #9
I consider Mozart to be the first Pop Star. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #14
Great! Tab Feb 2016 #16
Fascinating! When we saw the play in DC, Pres. Jimmy Carter and group came appalachiablue Feb 2016 #18
Are we certain it was Salieri and not Mozart's father in a costume? dorkzilla Feb 2016 #22
It was a nasty rumor that surfaced right after Mozart died brentspeak Feb 2016 #25
Nothing new under the sun. louis-t Feb 2016 #56
I thought those 2 hated each other? Odin2005 Feb 2016 #24
Artistic license dorkzilla Feb 2016 #27
Just in "Amadeus" cemaphonic Feb 2016 #45
Remember this? monicaangela Feb 2016 #26
Yeah......And here's the rest of it thelordofhell Feb 2016 #31
Excellent! monicaangela Feb 2016 #36
Here are over two hours of the real Jelly Roll Morton. Beacool Feb 2016 #38
Thank you! monicaangela Feb 2016 #39
Great, thanks!!! Beacool Feb 2016 #40
You are Welcome! monicaangela Feb 2016 #41
No, I hadn't seen it. Beacool Feb 2016 #46
Figaro is making fun of Cherubino for being a sissy. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #44
So in the scenario monicaangela Feb 2016 #47
Non piu andrai Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #48
Thank you for your response! monicaangela Feb 2016 #50
You're welcome! Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #52
As you can see monicaangela Feb 2016 #54
Must watch it again...too many years...what I'd give to see a clip of that. libdem4life Feb 2016 #28
Amazing Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #29
I hope it's better than Ebony and Ivory itsrobert Feb 2016 #30
Now find one by Mozart and Clementi. n/t malthaussen Feb 2016 #32
"Do you have it?!" Codeine Feb 2016 #34
What a great find!!! Beacool Feb 2016 #37
Lorenzo da Ponte was THE MAN!!! Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #43
Awesome! I look forward to it. trillion Feb 2016 #49
Cool!! 2naSalit Feb 2016 #51

Mira

(22,380 posts)
19. I don't like Pizza. whenever someone asks me why
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:51 PM
Feb 2016

I say: "Too many notes".
And then I ask "Have you seen the movie Amadeus"? and if they say no I encourage them.
Tom Hulce, who played Amadeus, was educated at the NC School of the Arts, 3 blocks from my house.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
42. I wonder what happened to Tom Hulce?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

Seems like he disappeared after Amadeus. Of course we can't forget him as one of the innocent young frat boys in Animal House.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
53. The whole cast was like that
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:17 PM
Feb 2016

Jeffery Jones was the only one that didn't drop into semi-obscurity (and probably would have as well, were it not for "Ferris Bueller's Day Off.&quot even though the movie was a huge commercial and critical success.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
55. He retired from acting to concentrate on producing - he won a Tony award in 2007
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

and was nominated for another in 2010.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
7. It will be
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:36 PM
Feb 2016
Ms Dockalova said it would be performed on Tuesday at a press conference in Prague.


But how can we hear it?

drokhole

(1,230 posts)
8. And they've already gotten around to the first recording of it!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016




But, seriously, really cool news! Mozart's music is my favorite of the Classical era.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
16. Great!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

I'm curious how they authenticated it though, and why it was thought to exist to begin with (they described it as "long-lost&quot

Regardless, I'd love to hear it. Unfortunately I can't be in Prague on Tuesday; I'm supposed to be in Antartica. Maybe the week after?

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
18. Fascinating! When we saw the play in DC, Pres. Jimmy Carter and group came
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

in before the start, and he smiled and waved to the cheering audience. An occasion I'll never forget. It was not long after the disastrous Nov. erection of Reagan, dead man walking.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
22. Are we certain it was Salieri and not Mozart's father in a costume?
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:35 PM
Feb 2016

On another note I've been trying to find the recipe for Nipples of Venus since I saw Amadeus but have been unsuccessful.

Also for fans of that film, if you haven't seen the Director's cut of Amadeus, do so. the scenes that were cut out really needed to be back in there to make the story work. It's like seeing it for the first time.

I was such a Mozart fan before that film came out that I didn't want to see it. I'm glad I did but it still pains me to think how many people think the film was factual and that Salieri actually killed/tried to kill Mozart.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
25. It was a nasty rumor that surfaced right after Mozart died
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

Beethoven, Salieri's former pupil, defended Salieri from the innuendo, but the slander never really went away.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
45. Just in "Amadeus"
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

IRL, every contemporary account seems to support that they got along just fine.

Beethoven and Salieri disliked each other however. Of course, Beethoven had a hard time getting along with anyone.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
44. Figaro is making fun of Cherubino for being a sissy.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:43 PM
Feb 2016

The count is sending him off to the army where he can't wear fancy clothes.

Cherubino is a "trouser role" which is a female mezzo-soprano wearing boys' clothes. That lock of hair that Figaro pulls away from Cherubino is a lock of the Countess' hair, because Cherubino has a crush on the Countess Rosina.

Back when I was singing, "Non so piu cosa son cosa faccio" was my audition number, which is Cherubino's fast aria. Basically he's a teenage boy who just discovered women. "Ogni donna mi fa palpitar" -- Every woman makes me tremble.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
47. So in the scenario
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:28 PM
Feb 2016

in which we find ourselves, how does this fit in with Mozart and Salieri? By the way, congratulations on your vocal talent, what is your singing range? Are you a tenor?

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
48. Non piu andrai
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:33 AM
Feb 2016

is an aria sung by Figaro in The Marriage of Figaro. Libretto by Lorenzo da Ponte, music by Mozart. That's two out of the three people mentioned in the OP.

You had posted the scene from Amadeus where W.A.M. plays the beginning of Non piu andrai. Then someone else posted a video of a live performance of Non piu andrai . I was explaining the situation that Figaro was singing about, and what Cherubino was doing, and why Figaro was singing what he was singing. Is that relevant enough for you?

I think it's a whole lot more relevant to the thread than putting up Jelly Roll Morton.

Now that I've lost my head tone due to age, I'm a baritone and used to be a tenor. I had 3 octaves 20 years ago, C3 to C6. But as a true mezzo, the high notes were sparing. None of that high noodling that coloraturas do. I was also able to sing lyric soprano roles like Zerlina. The only time I was able to sing in an opera was with an amateur opera company that did The Elixir of Love in Italian. I was a soprano in the chorus.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
50. Thank you for your response!
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:13 AM
Feb 2016

I am still learning, and with your response you have taught me a lot. Thanks again!

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
52. You're welcome!
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

It's always fun to learn about the stories in operas for context. The Marriage of Figaro is the original "bedroom farce" with people disguising themselves in other peoples' clothes for a secret rendezvous in the garden, hiding in closets, jumping out windows, and running in and out of rooms. The last act gets incredibly complicated.

The original bedroom farce that is not musical is a play called "A Flea in Her Ear". Written in 1907 by Georges Feydeau.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
54. As you can see
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

I am not well educated when it comes to opera. I guarantee you I will learn more and be able to converse in a much better manner in the future. Forgive my clumsy attempt at humor with the Jelly Roll Morton clip. Having said that, let me tell you I admire you for having studied and performed these wonderful Arias. I watch, I listen, and many times enjoy what I evidently do not understand. I enjoy Opera for the beauty of it, vocal as well as performance. I sing, not nearly good enough to have ever been considered an operatic voice, but I do enjoy listening to someone who has great vocal range. Most persons that sing opera of course have this. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to respond to my comment, and with your comment I have decided that at this point in my life it is time to actually learn more about an art I truly love. Thanks again, I admire and envy you.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
37. What a great find!!!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:18 PM
Feb 2016

I would love to hear this piece. Mozart was such a musical genius. It's a pity that he died so young.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
43. Lorenzo da Ponte was THE MAN!!!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:32 PM
Feb 2016

When it comes to writing opera words (libretti).

He wrote the libretti for Don Giovanni, Marriage of Figaro, and Cosi fan Tutti, so that means this new work must be fabulous for the words as well.

I'm slightly biased as I think Don Giovanni is the best opera ever written, and Marriage of Figaro is second.

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