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Omaha Steve

(99,727 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:38 AM Feb 2016

Home care worker sues union for collecting dues

Source: Portland Tribune

A Deschutes County home care worker has sued her union for barring her from opting out of membership dues in the wake of a Supreme Court decision that exempted home care contractors from mandatory union fees.

The federal lawsuit against Service Employees International Union 503 and the state of Oregon is the latest in a growing body of litigation challenging mandatory union fees.

In this case, Maryann Rose, a Terrebonne home care worker, claims that SEIU 503 has violated her freedoms of speech and association by forcing her to wait to opt out of dues until her membership is up for renewal.

“Our position is once a person says they want to exercise their rights the union and state should honor that and stop collecting dues from that individual,” said Nick Dagostino, an attorney with the Freedom Foundation, which is representing Rose.

FULL story at link.

Read more: http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/293684-171097-home-care-worker-sues-union-for-collecting-dues

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Home care worker sues union for collecting dues (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2016 OP
Then she should give up all the pay and benefits that the union gained workers there. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #1
the Freedom Foundation.. mountain grammy Feb 2016 #2
Another benefit freeloader. Snotcicles Feb 2016 #3
Let me get this straight. Festivito Feb 2016 #4
yes this makes me want to pull my hair out saturnsring Feb 2016 #5
The United States Supreme Court and the siding of the National Right to work for Less turbinetree Feb 2016 #8
This person is backed by the RW union buster 'charity'- "Freedom Foundation" ? Sunlei Feb 2016 #6
She better not have her hand out for union benefits Marthe48 Feb 2016 #7
It's bullshit like this that has me celebrating the passing.... wolfie001 Feb 2016 #9
another freeloader who wants the pay and benefits of a good union job... mike_c Feb 2016 #10
I don't get it. Why do the benefits that unions negotiate have to extend to non-union workers? Akicita Feb 2016 #11
That may come in the future newthinking Feb 2016 #12
Management would not like that RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #13
Why wouldn't employers prefer to negotiate with individuals rather than someone representing Akicita Feb 2016 #14
Because in the long run RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #15
Hire people to interrogate the individuals? The employer could just tell an individual "Here's the Akicita Feb 2016 #16
Simplicity, more than anything Xithras Feb 2016 #17
Why These Laws Hurt Our Economy, Our Society, and Our Democracy (it is the law) Omaha Steve Feb 2016 #18

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
1. Then she should give up all the pay and benefits that the union gained workers there.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:56 AM
Feb 2016

Let her negotiate her own pay and benefits.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
3. Another benefit freeloader.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:58 AM
Feb 2016

I bet she would like to stop paying for the newspaper too, if she could keep reading it.
Or expect everyone else on the bus to pay an extra nickle so she can ride for free.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
4. Let me get this straight.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:12 AM
Feb 2016

Unions have to serve everyone in their purview.
Corporations do not.

Unions have to serve even those who do not pay for the service.
Corporations do not.

Unions have to have special elections in order to endorse a candidate by the union.
Corporations do not have to have an election in order for the corporation to endorse a candidate.

Unions have to have those elections to donate campaign money to a candidate.
Corporations do not.

Nice way to run a gun fight. Don't let your opponent have a gun, a knife, a stick, or a sign. Then yell: "Come on sucker!"

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
5. yes this makes me want to pull my hair out
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

how is a government allowed to make a company provide legal services for free

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
8. The United States Supreme Court and the siding of the National Right to work for Less
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:38 AM
Feb 2016

I know this is from Wikipedia but this stuff has been going on for a long long time, I remember this because at the time I was in the Carpenters Local and there was talk of some scabs doing this:


All she is a freeloader in other terms she would be called a scab.

I want all of the benefits that a 50+ majority on union members negotiated but don't want to help pay to protect my brothers and sisters and the contract, in some ways its like going into a bank taking out a loan, and then saying I am not going to pay for -----------------------its all about her




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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
6. This person is backed by the RW union buster 'charity'- "Freedom Foundation" ?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:26 AM
Feb 2016

breaking unions to bits anyway they can.

Marthe48

(17,027 posts)
7. She better not have her hand out for union benefits
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

and protections. Talk about the snake biting its benefactor.

I wonder if people in boats clubs, AAA, professional organizations and so on will be allowed to opt out of their mandatory dues because of this anti-person decision? We just paid our AAA dues and I think that if we need a tow, AAA should send a truck out of the goodness of their hearts. And I don't think doctors should pay their professional dues. Hell, they paid enough to get through college. Or CPAs. <sarcasm>

Let's look at the bigger picture--who needs the protections that organizations offer? We are all rich enough and smart enough to negotiate a fair wage, health insurance coverage, pension benefits, safety in our workplace, and vacation days. Just look at how successful the serfs were back in the day. <more sarcasm>

wolfie001

(2,268 posts)
9. It's bullshit like this that has me celebrating the passing....
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:09 PM
Feb 2016

....of that turd Scalia. More freedumb please? Surreptitious cell phone footage to follow.....

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
10. another freeloader who wants the pay and benefits of a good union job...
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:45 PM
Feb 2016

...without paying dues for representation.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
11. I don't get it. Why do the benefits that unions negotiate have to extend to non-union workers?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

Why can't unions dictate in their negotiations that the wages and benefits they negotiate only apply to the union members? The employers can negotiate individually with non-union workers.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
12. That may come in the future
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:33 PM
Feb 2016

However, companies match union employees to non unionized locations. Maybe for just this reason (it weakens the union).

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
13. Management would not like that
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

They would prefer to negotiate with one entity for all the workers, than negotiate with them individually, would be my guess.

People vote to get unions so that EVERYONE can benefit. If someone doesn't want to pay his/her union dues, than they should not be in the job location that they are in.

They cannot expect to get the union benefits without paying for them either. That is simply unfair.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
14. Why wouldn't employers prefer to negotiate with individuals rather than someone representing
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:48 PM
Feb 2016

hundreds? It must be easier to say no to an individual and risk losing one person than saying no to a union and risk losing hundreds or thousands of employees through a strike. I still don't get it.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
15. Because in the long run
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

You would have to hire more people to interrogate each and every one of those individuals. Those extra people cost money, not to mention the time that it would take.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
16. Hire people to interrogate the individuals? The employer could just tell an individual "Here's the
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

job offer. Take it or leave it". They can't do that with a union representing many. Still puzzled.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
17. Simplicity, more than anything
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:46 PM
Feb 2016

My last employer was unionized and a large number of employees were non-members. They got the same pay and benefits as anyone else. Why? Because the company had no interest in negotiating with each of them individually. Once the union negotiated a rate and benefits, the company simply applied it to everyone. The LAST thing they wanted to do was waste untold thousands of dollars in employee time sitting down with each of the nonunion employees individually to work something else out.

Besides, they had one non-union employee who DID push an individual contract. She had a very specialized job and, in the end, was offered signifigantly more money than her union coworkers. You can probably imagine the shitstorm that followed....

Omaha Steve

(99,727 posts)
18. Why These Laws Hurt Our Economy, Our Society, and Our Democracy (it is the law)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016


SOURCE: AP/ Darron Cummings
Protestors outside the Indiana House of Representatives during the debate on a right-to-work law that ultimately passed.


https://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/labor/report/2012/02/02/11103/right-to-work-101/


By David Madland, Karla Walter, Ross Eisenbrey | Thursday, February 2, 2012

Download this issue brief (pdf) @ link.

What are right-to-work laws?

In states where the law exists, “right-to-work” makes it illegal for workers and employers to negotiate a contract requiring everyone who benefits from a union contract to pay their fair share of the costs of administering it. Right-to-work has nothing to do with people being forced to be union members.

Federal law already guarantees that no one can be forced to be a member of a union, or to pay any amount of dues or fees to a political or social cause they don’t support. What right-to-work laws do is allow some workers to receive a free ride, getting the advantages of a union contract—such as higher wages and benefits and protection against arbitrary discipline—without paying any fee associated with negotiating on these matters.

That’s because the union must represent all workers with the same due diligence regardless of whether they join the union or pay it dues or other fees and a union contract must cover all workers, again regardless of their membership in or financial support for the union. In states without right-to-work laws, workers covered by a union contract can refuse union membership and pay a fee covering only the costs of workplace bargaining rather than the full cost of dues.

There is scant evidence these laws create jobs, help workers, or are good for a state’s economy, as supporters claim. Instead, these laws weaken unions and thereby hurt workers, the middle class, and local economies. We present here a Right-to-Work 101 so that the debate over right-to-work laws proceeds based on the facts.

FULL story at link.
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