NASA gets two military spy telescopes for astronomy
Source: Washington Post
The U.S. governments secret space program has decided to give NASA two telescopes as big as, and even more powerful than, the Hubble Space Telescope.
Designed for surveillance, the telescopes from the National Reconnaissance Office were no longer needed for spy missions and can now be used to study the heavens.
They have 2.4-meter (7.9 feet) mirrors, just like the Hubble. They also have an additional feature that the civilian space telescopes lack: A maneuverable secondary mirror that makes it possible to obtain more focused images. These telescopes will have 100 times the resolving power of the Hubble, according to David Spergel, a Princeton astrophysicist and co-chair of the National Academies advisory panel on astronomy and astrophysics.
The surprise announcement Monday is a reminder that NASA isnt the only space enterprise in the government and isnt even the best funded. ...
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Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/nasa-gets-two-military-spy-telescopes-for-astronomy/2012/06/04/gJQAsT6UDV_story.html
bananas
(27,509 posts)Repurposed Telescope May Explore Secrets of Dark Energy
By DENNIS OVERBYE
Published: June 4, 2012
The phone call came like a bolt out of the blue, so to speak, in January of 2011. On the other end of the line was someone from the National Reconnaissance Office, which operates the nations fleet of spy satellites. They had some spare unused hardware to get rid of. Was NASA interested?
And so it was that when John Grunsfeld, the physicist and former astronaut, walked into his office a year later to start his new job as NASAs associate administrator for space science, he discovered that his potential armada was a bit bigger than he knew. Sitting in a clean room in upstate New York were a pair of space telescopes the same size as the famed Hubble Space Telescope, but which had been built to point down at the Earth instead of up at the heavens.
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JohnnyRingo
(18,638 posts)I wonder if they can tell me what this tiny spot is on my shoulder.
If the government doesn't want the spy 'scopes, they must have something better. Much better. These discarded satellites are apparently the ones they bragged could read a license plate from space, so what must the new ones be able to do?
Still, it's a good day for science.
boppers
(16,588 posts)Less atmospheric interference mucking with the optics, throwaway costs (relatively), no problem with "clouds" getting in the way.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Gotta wonder about the optics and resolution the NRO has now, along with the ground-penetrating radar and the three-dimensional imaging of the inside of most structures. They may have gotten it to the point where they can recognize who they're looking at inside buildings.
Why did it take so long to "find" Osama, for instance?
bananas
(27,509 posts)Keith Cowing will live blog it on twitter http://twitter.com/#!/nasawatch
NRO Gives NASA Two Hubble-Class Telescopes (Shh!)
By Keith Cowing on June 4, 2012 12:26 PM. 10 Comments
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Keith's note: Even though NASA officials have been made available to the Washington Post and New York Times, a NASA PAO representative tells me that NASA will not be issuing any official statement on this topic. This is totally bizzare. NASA suddenly gets handed the equivalent of two Hubble Space Telescopes (apparently) for free, NASA folks talk to two newspapers, and then that's it? Not even a "thank you" note? I am told that there may be a media telecon today. Stay tuned for an update.
Keith's update: There is a media telecon at 2:00 pm today. I will live blog it at @NASAWatch. Also NASA PAO apparently contacted a few reporters about something in advance - but did not tell not others - and now they are backpeddling saying that they did contact me when in fact they did not. It is time for someone to admit that they made a mistake. Also, there will be no press release or statement from NASA because NRO told NASA not to issue one. But NASA did make NASA employees and advisors available to the New York Times and Washington Post. This story gets weirder with every passing hour.
boppers
(16,588 posts)All the precision in the world does you no good if you're pointing it in the wrong place.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)they can map out large swatches of just about anywhere, until they find what they're looking for. Yes?
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)I tried anyway.
jonthebru
(1,034 posts)I understand they had to hire some new analists because they had some die laughing.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)And the CIA bumped them off.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)Are these an example of "black budget" items, then? Just wondering.
Thanks to anyone with an opinion/info!
PB
bananas
(27,509 posts)The heavily-redacted image of the donated NRO space telescopes
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)...whose very existence, let alone budget, could not be acknowledged.
Back at the beginning, before there were photo-electronics and high bandwidth communications, the NRO satellites would take pictures on a large spool of film. The film canister was then ejected from the satellite and actually CAUGHT in mid air by a team of fighter jets over the Pacific before it splashed down
snot
(10,530 posts)the New York Times version of this story where it says: "A spokeswoman for the National Reconnaissance Office confirmed that it had transferred equipment it no longer had any use for, but would not elaborate. 'This is not something were going to talk about,' said the spokeswoman, Loretta Desio, adding, 'Were hoping this becomes a NASA story.'"
Like the other person said, I wonder what the heck are they're replacing these with.
And BY THE WAY, why didn't we have better photos of Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction"?
I.e., cr*ppy photos claimed to show something incriminating may have been or be used precisely because better photos would show there's nothing there.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)...but if there was something in the cr*ppy photos, there would be the same something in the good photos. The cr*ppy photos were probably made from the best photos they had, by artificially decreasing the resolution. The full resolution photos would not be made public because they would reveal our capabilities.
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)Occulus
(20,599 posts)which will hopefully lead to the first fusion reactor. The funding was just extended another two years, so obviously they see something there.
That's research into a whole new era for humanity, right there. If it's successful, we can expect a stampede to it.
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)Which is likely.
unkachuck
(6,295 posts)....the NRO didn't offer the two telescopes to one of their favorite corporations for privatization and exploitation....there could be a lot of money to be made spying on everyone for fun and profit with old taxpayer surplus....
....offering them to NASA will now keep those telescopes in the inferior unprofit world of government and science....what a corporate disappointment....
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)Who knows, NASA might give one to them to put into orbit anyway since they don't have any budget to do anything with them right now.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It's just a damn shame the instrumentation on these is going to be probably limited to visual spectrum and possibly IR and are probably not calibrated to any significant extent. The pictures should be nice.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)named Andromeda has ever worked out well in the movies.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)NASA will need a team of mission scientists, engineers and technicians before getting the NRO telescopes into orbit, which would require more money. NASA will also have to pay for the telescopes to be launched into space.
The NRO telescopes short length means its camera would have the wild field view necessary to investigate large areas of the sky for supernova. The telescopes diameter is twice as big as the nixed $1.5 billion Wide Field Infrared Survey Telescope that was being built to study dark energy, giving it four times the light-gathering power.
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However, a cost analysis for what the budget would be to get these telescopes into orbit has not been done, so it is yet to be seen as to whether they will be used in the near future.
Neither of the telescopes are likely to see low-orbit Earth until 2020 at the earliest.
Source: redOrbit (http://s.tt/1do68)