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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:04 PM Jun 2012

NASA gets two military spy telescopes for astronomy

Source: Washington Post

The U.S. government’s secret space program has decided to give NASA two telescopes as big as, and even more powerful than, the Hubble Space Telescope.

Designed for surveillance, the telescopes from the National Reconnaissance Office were no longer needed for spy missions and can now be used to study the heavens.

They have 2.4-meter (7.9 feet) mirrors, just like the Hubble. They also have an additional feature that the civilian space telescopes lack: A maneuverable secondary mirror that makes it possible to obtain more focused images. These telescopes will have 100 times the resolving power of the Hubble, according to David Spergel, a Princeton astrophysicist and co-chair of the National Academies advisory panel on astronomy and astrophysics.

The surprise announcement Monday is a reminder that NASA isn’t the only space enterprise in the government — and isn’t even the best funded. ...

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Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/nasa-gets-two-military-spy-telescopes-for-astronomy/2012/06/04/gJQAsT6UDV_story.html

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NASA gets two military spy telescopes for astronomy (Original Post) bananas Jun 2012 OP
NYT: "The phone call came like a bolt out of the blue, so to speak, in January of 2011." bananas Jun 2012 #1
If the government doesn't need them anymore..... JohnnyRingo Jun 2012 #2
They have stealth drones now. boppers Jun 2012 #17
Excellent! slackmaster Jun 2012 #3
I recall the Hubble was essentially a KH-11. These are at least a generation newer. leveymg Jun 2012 #4
"There is a media telecon at 2:00 pm today. I will live blog it at @NASAWatch." (on twitter) bananas Jun 2012 #6
Thnx leveymg Jun 2012 #7
Because you have to know where to point your tools. boppers Jun 2012 #18
If they can do topographic radar maps of underground acquifiers in Egypt and even of Mars leveymg Jun 2012 #23
I think I mooned both of those. Hubert Flottz Jun 2012 #5
So you're the one... jonthebru Jun 2012 #10
I'll bet those anal-ists said, "Wow that looks just like pResident Bush looking up from down there!" Hubert Flottz Jun 2012 #11
Great news! Really great news. Quick ? tho: Are these an example of "black budget" items? Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #8
USA Today has a photo of the telescopes bananas Jun 2012 #9
NRO was the proto-typical black-budget agency - it was the agency... reACTIONary Jun 2012 #13
Holy sh*t. Sorry, but I'm fixated on the part in snot Jun 2012 #12
I'm not really up on what the pubic photos did or did not show... reACTIONary Jun 2012 #15
Makes you wonder what other mind boggling technologies they are hiding. Kablooie Jun 2012 #14
The Navy is funding the Polywell research, Occulus Jun 2012 #19
Unless they keep it hidden and dont tell anyone about it. Kablooie Jun 2012 #20
I'm surprised.... unkachuck Jun 2012 #16
SpaceX might not have been a bad recipient though. Kablooie Jun 2012 #21
Yep, there are dozens of "Hubble's" up there, but they're "pointing down." joshcryer Jun 2012 #22
Keep an eye on the Andromeda Galaxy. Those sneaky bastards are coming over here and nothing grantcart Jun 2012 #24
And who gets them into space? I thought NASA had a bit of money taken away jakeXT Jun 2012 #25

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. NYT: "The phone call came like a bolt out of the blue, so to speak, in January of 2011."
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/science/space/repurposed-telescope-may-explore-secrets-of-dark-energy.html?_r=2

‘Repurposed’ Telescope May Explore Secrets of Dark Energy
By DENNIS OVERBYE
Published: June 4, 2012

The phone call came like a bolt out of the blue, so to speak, in January of 2011. On the other end of the line was someone from the National Reconnaissance Office, which operates the nation’s fleet of spy satellites. They had some spare unused “hardware” to get rid of. Was NASA interested?

And so it was that when John Grunsfeld, the physicist and former astronaut, walked into his office a year later to start his new job as NASA’s associate administrator for space science, he discovered that his potential armada was a bit bigger than he knew. Sitting in a clean room in upstate New York were a pair of space telescopes the same size as the famed Hubble Space Telescope, but which had been built to point down at the Earth instead of up at the heavens.

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JohnnyRingo

(18,638 posts)
2. If the government doesn't need them anymore.....
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:20 PM
Jun 2012

I wonder if they can tell me what this tiny spot is on my shoulder.

If the government doesn't want the spy 'scopes, they must have something better. Much better. These discarded satellites are apparently the ones they bragged could read a license plate from space, so what must the new ones be able to do?

Still, it's a good day for science.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
17. They have stealth drones now.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:26 AM
Jun 2012

Less atmospheric interference mucking with the optics, throwaway costs (relatively), no problem with "clouds" getting in the way.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
4. I recall the Hubble was essentially a KH-11. These are at least a generation newer.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:52 PM
Jun 2012

Gotta wonder about the optics and resolution the NRO has now, along with the ground-penetrating radar and the three-dimensional imaging of the inside of most structures. They may have gotten it to the point where they can recognize who they're looking at inside buildings.

Why did it take so long to "find" Osama, for instance?

bananas

(27,509 posts)
6. "There is a media telecon at 2:00 pm today. I will live blog it at @NASAWatch." (on twitter)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 03:36 PM
Jun 2012

Keith Cowing will live blog it on twitter http://twitter.com/#!/nasawatch

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/06/nro-gives-nasa.html

NRO Gives NASA Two Hubble-Class Telescopes (Shh!)
By Keith Cowing on June 4, 2012 12:26 PM. 10 Comments

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Keith's note: Even though NASA officials have been made available to the Washington Post and New York Times, a NASA PAO representative tells me that NASA will not be issuing any official statement on this topic. This is totally bizzare. NASA suddenly gets handed the equivalent of two Hubble Space Telescopes (apparently) for free, NASA folks talk to two newspapers, and then that's it? Not even a "thank you" note? I am told that there may be a media telecon today. Stay tuned for an update.

Keith's update: There is a media telecon at 2:00 pm today. I will live blog it at @NASAWatch. Also NASA PAO apparently contacted a few reporters about something in advance - but did not tell not others - and now they are backpeddling saying that they did contact me when in fact they did not. It is time for someone to admit that they made a mistake. Also, there will be no press release or statement from NASA because NRO told NASA not to issue one. But NASA did make NASA employees and advisors available to the New York Times and Washington Post. This story gets weirder with every passing hour.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
18. Because you have to know where to point your tools.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:28 AM
Jun 2012

All the precision in the world does you no good if you're pointing it in the wrong place.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
23. If they can do topographic radar maps of underground acquifiers in Egypt and even of Mars
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 07:16 AM
Jun 2012

they can map out large swatches of just about anywhere, until they find what they're looking for. Yes?

jonthebru

(1,034 posts)
10. So you're the one...
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jun 2012

I understand they had to hire some new analists because they had some die laughing.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
11. I'll bet those anal-ists said, "Wow that looks just like pResident Bush looking up from down there!"
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jun 2012

And the CIA bumped them off.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
8. Great news! Really great news. Quick ? tho: Are these an example of "black budget" items?
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 03:44 PM
Jun 2012

Are these an example of "black budget" items, then? Just wondering.

Thanks to anyone with an opinion/info!

PB

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
13. NRO was the proto-typical black-budget agency - it was the agency...
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:42 PM
Jun 2012

...whose very existence, let alone budget, could not be acknowledged.

Back at the beginning, before there were photo-electronics and high bandwidth communications, the NRO satellites would take pictures on a large spool of film. The film canister was then ejected from the satellite and actually CAUGHT in mid air by a team of fighter jets over the Pacific before it splashed down

snot

(10,530 posts)
12. Holy sh*t. Sorry, but I'm fixated on the part in
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:55 PM
Jun 2012

the New York Times version of this story where it says: "A spokeswoman for the National Reconnaissance Office confirmed that it had transferred equipment it no longer had any use for, but would not elaborate. 'This is not something we’re going to talk about,' said the spokeswoman, Loretta Desio, adding, 'We’re hoping this becomes a NASA story.'"

Like the other person said, I wonder what the heck are they're replacing these with.

And BY THE WAY, why didn't we have better photos of Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction"?
I.e., cr*ppy photos claimed to show something incriminating may have been or be used precisely because better photos would show there's nothing there.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
15. I'm not really up on what the pubic photos did or did not show...
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:59 PM
Jun 2012

...but if there was something in the cr*ppy photos, there would be the same something in the good photos. The cr*ppy photos were probably made from the best photos they had, by artificially decreasing the resolution. The full resolution photos would not be made public because they would reveal our capabilities.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
19. The Navy is funding the Polywell research,
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:33 AM
Jun 2012

which will hopefully lead to the first fusion reactor. The funding was just extended another two years, so obviously they see something there.

That's research into a whole new era for humanity, right there. If it's successful, we can expect a stampede to it.

 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
16. I'm surprised....
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 10:37 PM
Jun 2012

....the NRO didn't offer the two telescopes to one of their favorite corporations for privatization and exploitation....there could be a lot of money to be made spying on everyone for fun and profit with old taxpayer surplus....

....offering them to NASA will now keep those telescopes in the inferior unprofit world of government and science....what a corporate disappointment....

Kablooie

(18,637 posts)
21. SpaceX might not have been a bad recipient though.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:55 AM
Jun 2012

Who knows, NASA might give one to them to put into orbit anyway since they don't have any budget to do anything with them right now.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
22. Yep, there are dozens of "Hubble's" up there, but they're "pointing down."
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 05:31 AM
Jun 2012

It's just a damn shame the instrumentation on these is going to be probably limited to visual spectrum and possibly IR and are probably not calibrated to any significant extent. The pictures should be nice.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
24. Keep an eye on the Andromeda Galaxy. Those sneaky bastards are coming over here and nothing
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:16 AM
Jun 2012

named Andromeda has ever worked out well in the movies.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
25. And who gets them into space? I thought NASA had a bit of money taken away
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:07 AM
Jun 2012

NASA will need a team of mission scientists, engineers and technicians before getting the NRO telescopes into orbit, which would require more money. NASA will also have to pay for the telescopes to be launched into space.

The NRO telescopes’ short length means its camera would have the wild field view necessary to investigate large areas of the sky for supernova. The telescopes’ diameter is twice as big as the nixed $1.5 billion Wide Field Infrared Survey Telescope that was being built to study dark energy, giving it four times the light-gathering power.

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However, a cost analysis for what the budget would be to get these telescopes into orbit has not been done, so it is yet to be seen as to whether they will be used in the near future.

Neither of the telescopes are likely to see low-orbit Earth until 2020 at the earliest.

Source: redOrbit (http://s.tt/1do68)

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