exactly the same thing.

considered spillage. Classifying after the fact is not uncommon.

As such, nothing like that has came to light & making assumptions is just dumb.

can log out of her email. She had to be talked through it & has used computers for years but doesn't know the first thing about how they work.

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The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
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was compromised. It would make them look like fools.

Also, are you saying that it was ok to deviate from procedure as long as nothing bad happened? A common person would be fired in a second if they used unauthorized email servers regardless if they actually discussed confidential materials.

One reason they want Federal Employees to use government servers, is that they might classify material after the fact. If that material was in the open, it wouldn't do any good to classify it.

This entire subthread involves a guy who was convicted of giving classified documents to a news organization. Not using a private server for unclassified business.

Playing the what if game is silly.

The fact that the emails were not marked as classified at the time is just one more violation by the person sending them of the rules for handling the classified information that they put into them.

as if its the same...

Total fail.

the emails. There is a reason that classified emails are marked classified, so that everyone knows what they are dealing with. It is the originator of the email's responsibility to know the contents of an email that they send and mark it accordingly. To compare this example with someone who purposefully leaked documents to the media is just ridiculous.

obtained through hearings and other venues, and even after they were opened to media and later pulled back and reclassified.

This really is a non story that The Hill is pushing as the partisan GOP hacks that they are. They will use any frame they can to keep it out there as a 'scandal'.

I'm noticing that some here are fairly unaware of the various tactics being used by GOP's media machine. We may have the same candidate and the same goals, but, I will never stop countering the RW propaganda that is generated against ANY Dem.

reclassification while handling FOIA requests in an Intel unit.

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"It never rains in Southern California."
"I didn't give the order for that bridge to be closed . . I didn't even know about it being closed."
"All of our food products have been inspected by the FDA, especially when it comes to our Parmesan cheese."
"There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."
"President Obama was born in Kenya, my investigative team is in Hawaii right now, and I've got to tell you, what they will find will blow you away."

I will now add:
"This really is a non story that The Hill is pushing as the partisan GOP hacks that they are."
to that growing list of memes that will ultimately be proven false.

have happened to Powell or Rice. On this I will agree with bartcop and MWO's view - the GOP believes that NO Democratic lawmaker or WH deserves any zone of privacy and every aspect of their lives needs to fully examined and exposed.

Let me know when ANY other first family had even their underwear drawers turned over?

If we are fortunate to get Sanders in the WH, that blown out of proportion episode involving his wife would somehow get the same type of treatment as Whitewater - that's what GOP and their faithful press poodles do to Dems.

BTW - ALWAYS nice to see you around, old-timer. ; ) Yes, I'm STILL an MWOer and bartcopper at heart. Target: GOP control of corpmedia.

One thing you said is sure as right as rain - I'm getting to be an old-timer.
Whenever I see your nickname on the forum, I know whatever you're going to say is going to be good.

And I admit to casting asparagus at Hillary over these e-mails, but I think she should have known better than to use an unsecured server those first few months she was the SOS.
Even if Powell did the same thing, that still doesn't excuse her because I expect more from the Democrats.
I hold them to a higher standard and I expect them to walk the straight and narrow and never wobble.
Yet, Hillary has wobbled ALL over this issue, like one of those Weeble-Wobble toys, from Day One.

She should have come out right at the beginning and cleared the air, and admitted everything, right then and there.
After more than 20 years, I am fatigued from defending the Clintons for this type of thing.
It's happens way too often, on a much too frequent basis, and their usual line of defense is always "the other guys did it, too."

This time, I think this is going to blow up in her face.

Those were the days, eh? Some nights could have rivaled the Algonquin Table. ; )

I hear ya on the fatigue, but this GOP would have done the same to any Dem president because this technique is the only way they know how to fight against progress, and the propaganda media machine they carefully built in the 80s and 90s has embedded itself within the mainstream press and is spread even wider across the internet.

If it had been Gore who was president in the 90s we'd have Gore fatigue, Mario Cuomo would have given us Cuomo fatigue, etcetera, etcetera, and so forth……

Our 'fatigue' is due to the GOP's relentless use of propaganda media against Dem presidencies to obstruct progress, and the best way they can do that is to target any Dem in the WH. My duty is to not let them succeed to the point where even I weary of battling them and their lies and their propaganda, as well as their policies.

Couldn't they get that kind of information from someone more credible to people like critics? I even heard discussion on this forum that was essentially identical to what is stated in that article. I don't doubt it's true, but it seems like a poor choice, unless there's something else I'm missing.

And the CIA isn't about to tell us either. Again, if a lowly* federal employee did what she did, they'd be fired.

*by lowly I mean no disrespect for hard working federal employees, I even have a friend that's a federal employee, but mention it to indicate that the 1% enjoy special privileges.

I'll REPEAT - National Security Archives at GWU are FILLED with documents that were released and only LATER reclassified, and usually for political reasons more than true national security concerns. See:IranContra, BCCI, CIA drug running.

Classifying emails isn't exactly cut and dry, or sometimes even obvious, no matter how corporate media and the GOP want this 'story' spun.

support the double standard that divides the 1% from the 99%?

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

"Take the chance - accept the challenge - join the movement that can Change the Narrative. "

You should know that by now.

Nobody that wants to keep their job is going to say anything, lest they become a "whistleblower" themselves and end up in prison.

The Obama admin has not encouraged whistleblowers, he seems to only want to punish them.

Try again.

apply to Clinton? Are you trying to imply that we know that she didn't put anything on her server that Powell and Rice did on theirs?

She'll be crushed by Trump among independent/swing voters.

And in November, she won't have crafty caucus workers to shuffle the deck from the bottom for her.

Who cares about the normal voters, these SUPER voters are way more important and she has them all. How many votes do they get to cast in the general election? Remind me

Because not only will independents and undecideds break overwhelmingly for the Donald if she's on the ticket; but let's face it: the very mention of her name is enough to turn out millions of Republicans who would otherwise stay home to watch Faux News, drink Jim Beam, tend to their sheep, etc.

Republicans one talks to always say the same thing in one way or another: "I don't care if there's 20 feet of snow outside and wild bears are roaming the streets; I'm gonna make it to the polls to vote against that @#^%*!"

And I don't doubt it.

I get the same vibe from my republican friends... I believe them, and somehow I don't blame them either

Bernie bumper sticker and said, he didn't mind Sanders, but he hated (add emphasis) Hillary.

group are Republicans - exactly what they say.

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From the looks of it Hillary will have the nomination sewn up in less than a month. Luckily for Hillary the Obama Administration has her back, she will be cleared of any and all wrongdoing as soon as her nomination is a foregon conclusion. I don't see Trump as the republican nominee, the gop is doing everything and anything to get him out of the race. IF he becomes the republican nominee the Obama administration will step in and take Trump out of the race before the election with the blessing of the RNC, you can't tell me a man who has done as many shady business dealings as Trump hasn't run afoul of the law numerous times. At the proper time news of some criminal doings by Trump will be leaked to the media casting him and his campaign into crisis mode, if that alone isn't enough to sink his campaign the DOJ will charge him with something. It won't matter if he's guilty the charges alone will stop his campaign dead in its tracks ending the threat of a Trump presidency. Remember, Obama said Trump would not be the nominee, Obama loves this country too much to let that happen.

Because as much as I agree with you that each of the above characters will do (or rather, try) precisely what you predict, the voters have a funny way of deciding what does or does not make someone unelectable.

My consolation would be that Trump isn't the psychopath we would get with Cruz, or the prostitute we would get with Narco Rubio. And it's common knowledge he doesn't believe most of what he's saying on his stump speeches.

Who knows? He might even make a halfway decent President - just like Hillary.

Where do you come up with all this stuff? Seriously? The Obama Administration will clear Clinton of any wrong doing once the nomination is certain? The Obama Administration is going to "step in and take Trump out of the race"? The nomination will be sewn up in less than a month?

If Trump wins the republican nomination, he will be the republican nominee. No one has the nomination sewn up yet. The Obama Administration is not a royal family, it cannot act in the way you are suggesting, not without Administration officials facing criminal charges themselves.

This stuff is pretty far out. Do you have any factual evidence to support these theories of yours?

long as we don't think about it. Shut down our brain and it makes sense.

nicer to believe, believe, believe. I think that a good Democrat has a good share of skepticism and doesn't trust their government completely. Again, it's so much easier to agree with the crowd that the Emperor has clothes.

Two makes a trend. The State Department and the intelligence community have been arguing for months over what rises to the level of classified status. Clinton and Powell only had minutes to make that same call. Seems to me that the intelligence community is more concerned about keeping potentially embarrassing information about the intelligence community under wraps than they are being authentically concerned about national security. This is not their first rodeo when it comes to over-classifying in order to cover their butts.

acknowledging they existed for years after she left office until a Congressional Committee learned about her server and subpoenaed them. Your screen name is apt.

then we agree.

No matter how much the far right and Sanders supporters try to push it. NEVER.

before I say NEVER. What's amazing is that a person under FBI investigation is running for president.

Jail is for the poor and the normal folk to keep them in line.

They got greedy and pressed too hard, too soon. Even if there was wrongdoing, the way they pursued this made it abundantly clear they didn't care about the facts. It gives Clinton a political out, at least assuming nothing truly damning comes out of the investigation. It should be really easy for her to paint it all as a manufactured economy.

For his part, Bernie probably jumped the gun himself when commenting that he's tired of hearing about the emails, though it probably makes the most sense politically.

and he didn't even have anything classified at his house.

http://www.tenenbaumfightforjustice.com/

How did the authorities catch him, has he worked for the CIA a longtime and gave other information to friends in the press?

That's the story I'd like to read more about.

The anti-Clinton folks were hoping for an indictment of Hillary Clinton which was the only to stop her from becoming POTUS. That hope appears to be fading