Justice Thomas asks questions in court, 1st time in 10 years
Source: AP
WASHINGTON (AP) Justice Clarence Thomas has asked questions during a Supreme Court argument for the first time in 10 years.
Thomas questions came Monday in case in which the court is considering placing new limits on the reach of a federal law that bans people convicted of domestic violence from owning guns.
Thomas asked the Justice Department lawyer defending the governments prosecution whether the violation of any other law suspends a persons constitutional rights.
It was the second week the court has heard arguments since the death of Justice Antonin Scalia, Thomas friend and fellow conservative.
Read more: http://wtop.com/politics/2016/02/justice-thomas-asks-questions-in-court-1st-time-in-10-years/
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Liberty Sage
(14 posts)Liberals can't be racist.
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flor-de-jasmim
(2,125 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)an animatronic, a Disney reject that Scalia and now Alito use for support.
choie
(4,111 posts)If people convicted of felonies lose their constitutional right to vote...but the right to own a gun? Sacred!!!
Big_Mike
(509 posts)for what other MISDEMEANOR does a person lose a constitutional right? Felonies are one thing, misdemeanors an entirely other thing. So you don't pay a speeding ticket, do you lose the right to vote for lifetime? Nope. Does mouthing off to a cop mean you've lost your freedom of speech and right to assemble? Don't think so. You may or may not like the subject; many of us disagree on this particular subject. But the underlying point is completely valid.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)over a traffic ticket?
Legally, it is a point that has merit.
Think about the precedent.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)read them at loud. After the hearing, the clerk explained the answers to him.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Scalia takes ventriloquism to a whole NEW level.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)But really..
Can a person convicted of a felony (say armed robbery):
- own (or even handle) a firearm?
- vote?
- Enjoy freedom of movement? Association? unfettered free speech?
- In the case of the death penalty, live?
There are probably a LOT of cases where a violation of a law suspends constitutional rights.....
10 years to pose a question and he picks one a sixth grader could answer? Can we have him evaluated for Alzheimer?
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)What other misdemeanor charges bring about the loss of a constitutional right?
It's a legitimate question, imo.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)He asked about misdemeanors -- not felonies. What misdemeanor convictions lead to a loss of Constitutional rights? Since a sixth grader can answer this, let's hear your answer....
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)You can lose your rights to vote, or to a gun, for the duration of your incarceration or parole. Generally not longer for a misdemeanor, but some states may allow it.
Also, if it's your third misdemeanor, in a lot of states it gets treated as though it was a felony for sentencing, and also loss of rights.
Again, I ain't no lawyer and I'm not playing one here.
I did miss the part about him limiting it to a misdemeanor, so apologies for that.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)But Thomas peppered Eisenstein with several questions about Second Amendment gun rights, a topic no other justice had asked about. He noted that the law allows someone convicted of a misdemeanor assault charge to get a lifetime ban on possessing a gun "which at least as of now results in suspension of a constitutional right."
"The suspension is not directly related to the use of a weapon?" Thomas asked.
Eisenstein said he was correct, but that Congress passed the law to prevent people accused of domestic violence from later using weapons against a family member. She noted that violating other laws can in some cases limit a person's free speech rights. Thomas then asked how long the suspension of the right to own a firearm lasts.
Eisenstein said it was indefinite.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)and I'm speaking from experience
merrily
(45,251 posts)loss of Constitutional rights?
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)differentiate it sharply from other constitutional rights.
Otherwise how many people in a Ferguson-type neighborhood are going to be left with voting rights?
There is a huge, huge difference between losing your vote for armed robbery versus losing it for getting arrested for disturbing the peace in a demonstration. Wouldn't you agree?
I think you are missing the entire point here.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)What's next, losing free speech rights over disorderly conduct....which is the usual charge protestors are hit with when they fail to comply with the police
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)...
Ms. Eisenstein, just one question, Thomas said. Can you give me this is a misdemeanor violation. It suspends a constitutional right. Can you give me another area where a misdemeanor violation suspends a constitutional right?
This is one aspect of the case. And however the court decides, if they allow this to stand I hope they are very careful to ensure that they are not establishing a precedent that allows people to lose other constitutional rights for charges this minor, with this little legal protection against miscarriages of justice.
When a felon loses his/her right to vote or bear arms, that's one thing. But do you want individuals to lose these rights for petty infractions? The argument in this case is that the conduct was reckless, not intentional, so that's why there's all the common law stuff earlier.
The case is Voisine V United States.
The link to the oral argument transcript is here:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/14-10154_5i36.pdf
Notice that Justice Breyer gets interested after Thomas' line of questioning (as does Kennedy). Breyer picks it up with:
have they raised this in their brief. They say,
let's focus on the cases in which there is a misdemeanor
battery conducted without an intentional or knowing
state of mind.
Now, they say if this, in fact, triggers
this is the question Justice Thomas asked if this, in
fact, triggers a lifetime ban on the use of a gun, then
do we not have to decide something we haven't decided?
And I think it would be a major question.
What constitutes a reasonable regulation of
guns under the Second Amendment given Heller and the
other cases with which I disagreed? But
(Laughter.)
JUSTICE BREYER: the point is, she's
raised a question, and she wants us to answer that
question. Is this a reasonable regulation given you
just heard the argument, in part given the distance
and so forth? So what am I supposed to say, in your
opinion, in respect to that rather important question?
Breyer eventually ends up saying we don't have to decide the constitutional question in this case, so let's avoid it. We can just make it a textual interpretation.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
merrily
(45,251 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Like a tail without a dog. Like a camera without film. No, actually nothing's changed, he's still just an idiot.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
Raster
(20,998 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)Scalia and Thomas agree 78% of the time. Scalia and Ginsberg agree 58% of the time.
http://www.scotusblog.com/statistics/
merrily
(45,251 posts)he and Scalia were usually together in the result, whether in the same opinion or a concurrence. I've never seen a lawyer on any board or anywhere question that. And 80% overall ain't "seldom" anyway.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I like how sensitive you are about things said about Clarence Thomas on this thread, though.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Attack him for his views not his race. Many on the left say the same exact things about Thomas -- using the same exact words -- as did the right when they attacked Justice Thurgood Marshall.
Despite your dismissive words all SC cases are important and all are landmarks. If they weren't they would not be heard by the court.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Of all the fake claims I've seen on this board, that one may just take the fucking cake.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Do you approve of posts in this thread using black dialect to make fun of Thomas? Or the many other posts in this thread saying that he is unable to think?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Stop it. Just stop it. If you post to me about something, OF COURSE, I am going to assume you mean my posts.
I didn't read this thread, let alone "approve" of all the posts of other people you are describing to me. If you think someone else made a racist post, complain to the people you think made them. I had nothing to do with any racism in any post and you know it. Stop associating other people's post with me and implying I approve. Just stop.
Your posts have always been too far to the right for my tastes, but I didn't realize you'd go this low. What utter, deceptive crap.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)WTF?
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Previously the SC has said that there is something of a constitutional right to bear arms. This case is about deprivation of that right for a misdemeanor charge RATHER THAN A FELONY CHARGE.
In most cases, you don't even have the right to jury trial for a misdemeanor charge. The requirement to get an indictment isn't there. The penalties are much less - but being deprived of a constitutional right for a lifetime is not really a light penalty.
No one is questioning that felons lose the right to have guns.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Those cases need a Jury trial and a Judge to set limits on tools of violence, treatment and support for the family.
Still, I think it's unconstitutional to deprive anyone of their right to vote even when actually in prison.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)based on the story I don't think a felony would be warranted.
Given the DV rate is higher amongst non whites, I don't think it would do much to end the incarceration of people of color since felonies mean jail time
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)24601
(3,962 posts)you cannot vote, then you cannot posses a firearm.
Since you are hotting hot buttons that not always, but generally fall on different sides of political mid-spectrum, this is an area for potential compromise.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)of voting for felons.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Felons are stripped of their rights. A misdemeanor is only punishable with a year in jail or a fine up to $1000.
Reckless driving is a misdemeanor in some states. In VA any speed over 80, even in a 75mph zone, is reckless driving.
I have an A&B conviction as the result of a fight, in college, with a much larger guy. I threw the first punch and that was enough. This law would treat me like a felon 25 years after my conviction...which resulted in a $200 fine
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)to see if he was making use of a Ouija board?
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Or some such? After all the Republicans think Scalia can vote in court decisions even though he's dead.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)have you waited 10 years to speak?
THOMAS: Well, up to now, everything been OK. Tony told me since I was the new guy, he would speak for both of us.
ROBERTS: So, with Tony gone, you dont feel inhibited?
THOMAS: Well yes, thats right. Also, Ive taken off the cord that Tony tied around my balls. When I looked anxious like I was about to speak, Tony would signal me to be quiet by tugging it.
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)to learn to think on his own now that Scalia isnt there to do it for him.
valerief
(53,235 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)that such an apathetic, disinterested, partisan asshole could sit on our highest court.
elleng
(131,126 posts)and a discussion of the questions and issues in the case today:
'He has offered shifting reasons for his 10 years of silence. In his 2007 memoir, My Grandfathers Son, he wrote that he had never asked questions in college or law school and that he had been intimidated by some of his fellow students.
He has also said he is self-conscious about the way he speaks, partly because he had been teased about the dialect he grew up speaking in rural Georgia.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/politics/supreme-court-clarence-thomas.html?
Cavallo
(348 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)he always thought what Scalia thought
olddad56
(5,732 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)Just 15 days after Scalia's death.
rurallib
(62,448 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Uncle Tony is gone.
no_hypocrisy
(46,191 posts)patricia92243
(12,601 posts)violent, I hate to think they have a gun.
To compare a parking ticket to Domestic Violence does seem to be a complete comparison to me.
Liberty Sage
(14 posts)No felon can legally own a gun. Make domestic violence convictions a felony and it won't be an issue.