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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 10:59 PM Mar 2016

Sidestepping Apple dispute, Obama makes case for access to device data

Source: Reuters

U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday made a passionate case for mobile devices to be built in such a way as to allow government to gain access to personal data if needed to prevent a terrorist attack or enforce tax laws.

Speaking at the South by Southwest festival in Texas, Obama said he could not comment on the legal case in which the FBI is trying to force Apple Inc. (AAPL.O) to allow access to an iPhone linked to San Bernardino, California, shooter Rizwan Farook.

But he made clear that, despite his commitment to Americans' privacy and civil liberties, a balance was needed to allow some intrusion when needed.

"The question we now have to ask is: If technologically it is possible to make an impenetrable device or system where the encryption is so strong that there is no key, there's no door at all, then how do we apprehend the child pornographer, how do we solve or disrupt a terrorist plot?" he said.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-obama-idUSKCN0WD2KV

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Sidestepping Apple dispute, Obama makes case for access to device data (Original Post) Little Tich Mar 2016 OP
My reply: No you may not hack my brain. Do what you do as if smart-phones do not exist. Because, Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #1
So you're not even going to address the points he made? randome Mar 2016 #19
The President is wrong on this one. 21st Century Poet Mar 2016 #2
He's wrong on a lot of fucking issues, but we're all supposed Chakab Mar 2016 #9
3.2.1, Hiliary my opponent once again is against this president. RATM435 Mar 2016 #3
Reasons to not like Hillary, about 50. christx30 Mar 2016 #4
no. no. thousand times no. Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 #5
Wont help prevent crime FreedomRain Mar 2016 #6
No one is saying that phones can be searched without a warrant. randome Mar 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author FreedomRain Mar 2016 #28
Oh Boy PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #7
Another wrong stance A Little Weird Mar 2016 #8
*sigh* Lithos Mar 2016 #10
I made this post yesterday, TM99 Mar 2016 #11
True Colors billhicks76 Mar 2016 #12
Seriously? Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #13
"terrorist attack or enforce TAX laws"??? intrepidity Mar 2016 #14
And then they will snoop for any crime anyway. fbc Mar 2016 #16
Yeah, that one kinda jumped out there. ebayfool Mar 2016 #22
he has to otherwise the right will go all dems-soft-on-terror on us saturnsring Mar 2016 #15
Doesn't sound like he sidestepped the Apple dispute at all. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #17
Wrong! Helen Borg Mar 2016 #18
get a warrant. They_Live Mar 2016 #21
I'd guess they have a warrant to search that phone ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #23
The warrant isn't the point of the conversation IDemo Mar 2016 #24
No. They aren't. They're asking Apple to unlock the phone. That's it. randome Mar 2016 #25
Bullshit. They are asking Apple to hack that model iPhone. U4ikLefty Mar 2016 #29
"...enforce tax laws..."? chapdrum Mar 2016 #26
To those on DU who *love* Obama, your adoration gives him political capital ... earthshine Mar 2016 #27

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
1. My reply: No you may not hack my brain. Do what you do as if smart-phones do not exist. Because,
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

they did not exist until recently and we survived so, somehow, we managed.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. So you're not even going to address the points he made?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:49 AM
Mar 2016

A phone is just a digital filing cabinet, no different from any other device or structure needing a warrant to search.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Where do uncaptured mouse clicks go?[/center][/font][hr]

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
2. The President is wrong on this one.
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

This is a terrible idea. If the government wants to access people's personal devices, it should get better sleuths and better technology not force private companies to make devices less safe for everyone. If the police or whoever want to crack open a private individual's device, it's entirely the police's problem. If the FBI are not good enough, well, tough luck. They need to try harder. Remember that if it's easier for police to access a device, it's also easy for hackers and criminals to do so.

Besides, if American devices become easy to access, people will start opting for devices and software made in other countries which are not bound by American rules. American companies will start losing business. I hope that Tim Cook does not give up the fight. It's a good cause.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
9. He's wrong on a lot of fucking issues, but we're all supposed
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:55 PM
Mar 2016

to grin and bear for the purpose of "party unity."

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. No one is saying that phones can be searched without a warrant.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:50 AM
Mar 2016

Why would you think that's what he means?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Where do uncaptured mouse clicks go?[/center][/font][hr]

Response to randome (Reply #20)

Lithos

(26,404 posts)
10. *sigh*
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

Politicians and lawyers think they can create a soft division, unfortunately mathematics (which is at the heart here) is a cold mistress with an all or nothing approach.

L-

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
11. I made this post yesterday,
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

and it sunk like a stone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511465887

Obama is NOT a friend when it comes to civil liberties. He has proven this time and time again.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
12. True Colors
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:09 AM
Mar 2016

This is horrible. Everyone knows these requests are mostly for drug cases. The war on terror is an excuse to rebrand the failed and unpopular drug war. Obama supports this? Extremely disappointing.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
16. And then they will snoop for any crime anyway.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 01:55 AM
Mar 2016

How are they supposed to know if you are speeding if they can't hack your smart phone?

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
22. Yeah, that one kinda jumped out there.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:54 AM
Mar 2016

And it's as wrong as can be. I'm getting real tired of 'terrah' being used at every opportunity to peel away just a little more rights. It pissed me off when LittleBoots and Darth did it, and it offends me all to hell when a Democrat does it!

Taxes, indeed.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
17. Doesn't sound like he sidestepped the Apple dispute at all.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:24 AM
Mar 2016

Instead, it sounds like he is trying to influence the judge's opinion in this specific case.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
23. I'd guess they have a warrant to search that phone ...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:27 PM
Mar 2016

... they just don't have the know-how.

That's what they want from Apple.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
24. The warrant isn't the point of the conversation
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:32 PM
Mar 2016

What the government is demanding is essentially equivalent to telling a lock manufacturer to fabricate a skeleton key and then advising everyone with those locks on their front door that they have nothing to be worried about, because hackers simply won't have access to that key. Trust us.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. No. They aren't. They're asking Apple to unlock the phone. That's it.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:38 PM
Mar 2016

Nothing will be handed over to the FBI other than an unlocked phone.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is -hockey- Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
29. Bullshit. They are asking Apple to hack that model iPhone.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:33 PM
Mar 2016

The gov't could do this themselves, but they want legal precedent to get into ALL OUR PHONES.

Fuck them and their water-carrying agents...cough.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
26. "...enforce tax laws..."?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

Obama and friends could start with, oh I don't know, preventing U.S. corp's from parking all or most of their income offshore...
as a condition of their corporate charter. (Pause for laughter.)

Sounds so quaint, but is the U.S. really helpless to stop other countries (many of which are allies) from boosting their economies with untaxed U.S. corporate income?

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
27. To those on DU who *love* Obama, your adoration gives him political capital ...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

... and this is how he chooses to spend it. He ain't gonna spend it on you or fighting for your issues.

He pushes bad trade deals like TPP and H-1B visas, and conservative nominations to important positions.

This is who Obama is, always was, and always will be — a third-way corporatist who cloaks himself in a progressive-looking suit.

The only thing we can do about it is to vote optimally in this upcoming election.

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