UPDATE: FLORIDA GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT OFFICIALLY DEFIES JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, VOWS TO CONTINUE VOTER PUR
Source: Think Progress
In a letter sent tonight, Florida Governor Rick Scott said the state will continue to purge registered voters from the rolls despite the Department of Justices warning that the effort is illegal. The Miami Herald reports, the letter all but dares the Justice Department to sue Florida for allegedly violating the 1965 Voting Rights Act and the 1993 National Voter Registration Act. You can read the full letter here.
http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2012/06/06/18/40/7E4PS.So.56.pdf
Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/06/495952/update-florida-governor-rick-scott-officially-defies-justice-department-vows-to-continue-voter-purge/
BY MARC CAPUTO AND STEVE BOUSQUET
MCAPUTO@MIAMIHERALD.COM
Gov. Rick Scotts elections chief on Wednesday defiantly refused a federal demand to stop purging non-citizens from Floridas voter rolls, intensifying an election-year confrontation with President Barack Obamas administration as each side accuses the other of breaking federal law.
In a sharply worded letter, Scotts administration claimed the Department of Justice doesnt understand two federal voting laws at the heart of the dispute and was protecting potentially illegal voters more than legal ones.
Florida also accused another federal agency, the Department of Homeland Security, of violating the law by denying Florida access to a federal citizenship database.
This hardly seems like an approach earnestly designed to protect the integrity of elections and to ensure that eligible voters have their votes counted, said the letter, written by Scotts hand-picked secretary of state, Ken Detzner, a fellow Republican.
Detzner also submitted a list of four questions that he wants the DOJ to answer.
In tone and substance, the letter all but dares the Justice Department to sue Florida for allegedly violating the 1965 Voting Rights Act and the 1993 National Voter Registration Act (NVRA), nicknamed motor voter.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/06/2835732/feds-erred-in-demanding-florida.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/06/2835732/feds-erred-in-demanding-florida.html
sakabatou
(42,157 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)unless Holder busts them like a marijuana supplier.
bupkus
(1,981 posts)I hope you're wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if you're right.
alp227
(32,033 posts)tabatha
(18,795 posts)it should be a must see.
Rachel interviewed a REPUBLICAN election worker, who stated that none of them are going to purge anyone, because the lists are full of errors.
It would be very ENCOURAGING to hear her heart-felt problems with this issue.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#47714897
just1voice
(1,362 posts)Answer: Because she's a lying POS regardless of what she says on MSM TV. I don't believe her for a second, all (R)s lie through their teeth at every opportunity. Seriously, why would the lying (R) admit to election tampering on TV?
If I had a TV show I would have asked the repuke "why do you expect anyone to believe you when the republican party constantly lies about everything and you choose to be a member of that party"
PossumSqueezins
(184 posts)Purging Democrat and minority voters, requiring IDs, limited early voting and absentee ballots, and using confusing ballots in areas heavily populated with retirees along with Republican Diebold voting machines(with no paper trail) should work fine. Add in some creative accounting and a few lost ballots here and there and Romney should easily win Florida. I expect to see the same in Ohio. I bet American Idol is more accountable with voting and THEY'RE ON FOX!!!!
Why don't we just restrict voting to white male landowners again? Seems to be the goal.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Its in their agenda
bupkus
(1,981 posts)Tell minority voters they'll be subjected to a records check and arrested for "outstanding warrants" when they show up to vote.
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Governor Medicare Fraud will find his purge very difficult if not impossible without the counties playing ball.
IndyJones
(1,068 posts)solve the problem. I'm sure I'm missing something here?
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)Despite a Justice Department letter, objections from county elections officials, that a disproportionate number of voters affected are voters of color, and that a primary election is scheduled within 60 days, Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner's office stated again just yesterday that they plan continue purging the state's voter rolls.
Governor Scotts administration claims the Department of Justice doesnt understand two federal voting laws at the heart of the dispute and that DOJ is protecting potentially illegal voters more than legal ones.
SOURCE: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/06/2835732/feds-erred-in-demanding-florida.html
After your department has made clear to the state of Florida that its current voter purge activity is in violation of both Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act and the National Voter Registration Act, it appears that the state's officials may intend to continue breaking the law.
"Voter fraud" is statistically NONEXISTENT in this country. ELECTION fraud, however, is rampant - as we can see by what Governor Rick Scott is doing in Florida and similar efforts in other states such as Colorado, New Mexico and others. Other vote(er)-restricting activities being enacted across the nation include onerous and expensive "Voter ID" laws apparently designed to keep voters of certain demographics from voting, and restrictions on or complete elimination of voter registration drives, early voting, and one-stop voting.
One gets the impression that there are virulent factions in this country that would like to prevent many eligible voters from exercising their right to vote, rather than helping them to do so.
"There's a fiendish cleverness in perpetrating a fraud in broad daylight, at the same time as you tell the people that it must be done to guard against - you guessed it - fraud." - (SOURCE: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/republicans-plot-to-steal-white-house-20120602-1zofk.html)
The right to vote is at the very core of our Democracy. When this right is being threatened by multiple factions and particularly when those threats are obviously designed to disenfranchise (a) particular demographic(s) of voters, this cannot be allowed to stand.
It is very much appreciated that the Department of Justice has made efforts to halt the activity in Florida, and I hope that FL state officials comply with its requests. If it is true however, that Ken Detzner and Governor Rick Scott intent to flout the DOJ's request and the nation's voter registration and election laws, then I hope you stand ready to take further immediate action to sue the state of Florida for these violations.
Your continued attention to these matters is very much requested and appreciated.
- a concerned citizen and voter
cc: The White House
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)he's on task in Florida.
The effect of the Justice Dept. warning/inquiry letter was a unanimous halt to purge activities by all 67 election supervisors.
He invalidated the 'voter id' laws in both Texas and South Carolina and has announced that election monitors will be placed in Texas and several other states, so far, to oversee their election process.
There's not a chance in hell that the Justice Dept. is going to 'roll over' to the Scott admin defenses in that ridiculous letter.
PDF | Scott Admin Letter to DOJ regarding Florida's voter purge
http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2012/06/06/18/40/7E4PS.So.56.pdf
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)to pursue anything that Democrats actually care about.
He has been a HUGE disappointment.
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Jane Eyre
(1,808 posts)I just read the ongoing email exchange between the Florida Secretary of State's office and the Dept of Homeland Security. The Sec of State wants to check the voter rolls against a DHS database to weed out non-US citizens. DHS apparently tells them, in so many words, that the only way that the cross-check would be accurate is by using ID numbers assigned to the non-citizens in the DHS database. And if the person provides the Sec of State with that ID number, then that person has already provided proof that they are non-citizens.
Soooo....the Sec of State's office is all huffy about not being able to get access to the DHS files, which the DHS seems to be leary of providing to them since it doesn't appear that the matches are going to be terribly accurate. (At least, that is what I am reading between the lines here.) And the Sec of State decides then to use whatever database that they happen to have lying around the Florida statehouse to do what they want to do anyway.
In other words, if the Feds won't let us use their database to purge people from the rolls just because we all know that the matches won't be accurate, we will just have to find our own database to do the job. And it's all the fault of the Feds because they wouldn't let us screw this up using their lists so we had to use our own lists to screw it up!!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)nt
Jane Eyre
(1,808 posts)One more thing....wasn't the basis of the Bush v. Gore decision that the counties did not all use the same standard for counting votes? So how can you allow counties to use varying standards for eliminating voters from the lists?
47of74
(18,470 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Why else would these fucking assholes defy everything that would ruin their careers? He wants to be the Golden Boy of the coming Koch Brothers' regime too.
Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)to sue their asses back to the stone age.
Think of it as a micro-stimulus or redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom.
Let the civil suits begin!
bonniebgood
(943 posts)When we all ACCEPT the obvious decay, "America's Birth Defect", we will all stop scratching our scalps, raising our blood pressure. The new Republican party is 90% white. They want the country to return to the 1857. They believe the United States Supreme Court Cheif Judge Taney in the "Dred Scott Case vs Sanford". They keep telling us this over and over we refuse to listen.
Which is why:
They, (the republican party) will NEVER listen to Holder or President Obama. Holder and Obama are BLACK.
In March of 1857, the United States Supreme Court, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, declared that all blacks -- slaves as well as free -- were not and could never become citizens of the United States.
They still believe that Holder and Obama are non-citizens of the USA and NEVER will be.
Taney -- a staunch supporter of slavery and intent on protecting southerners from northern aggression -- wrote in the Court's majority opinion that, because Scott was black, he was not a citizen and therefore had no right to sue. The framers of the Constitution, he (Judge Taney) wrote, believed that blacks "had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He (the negro) was bought and sold and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever profit could be made by it."
America Birth Defect? RACISM. quote Condelessa Rice.
Tippy
(4,610 posts)NOT TO THE GOVERNOR...Several including Republicans have said they are not going to do any purge any voters, one reason being they found way to many flaws on the list's. Provided by the governors office. I hope and pray this is true..Rachell interviewed the woman yesterday..I was impressed, i had really given up finding an honest republican anywhere....
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Scumbags.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Not the "what could happen" consequences, but the "actual" consequences. My guess is that the "actual consequences" are NOTHING, and Scott and the GOP know it.
Igel
(35,320 posts)They could get an injunction and, if it goes to trial, either get some sort of actual authority granted the DOJ by the court or have the court impose some other kind of remedy.
In election issues, most of the DOJ's actual authority rests on consent decrees and judicial decisions.
What's ironic is the apparent assumption that to resist governmental authority is something that no loyal American citizen would ever do. A letter from the government telling you to stop doing something is serious business, authority must always be obeyed and to do less is just plain un-American.
(I esp. like the subthread that points out that election supervisors are elected and not subject to the decrees of the governor, applauding the apparently lack of compliance with Scott. Just as, I suppose, Scott is elected and not subject to the decrees of the ... no, that would be absurd to even suggest.)
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)but do think they actually will? Scott is not some ailing medical marijuana user that the DOJ would actually go after I don't believe this DOJ has the desire, or the intent, to actually issue an injunction, or to take Scott to court. I do not see that happening...I could be proved wrong, but I think the odds are with me.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Should have been done years ago before his feet touched the floor of the Governor's Mansion, but it won't hurt now.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)On PoliticsNation last night, Sancho said that it is illegal to purge voters lists within 90 days of an election.
The Leon County Supervisor of Elections office has determined the federal National Voter Act of 1993 (NVRA) prohibits the systematic purging of Florida's voting rolls in the manner described by the Florida Division of Elections for the non-immigrant matches in the Florida Voter Registration System. Accordingly, our office will not contact voters about this issue during the 90 days prior to any election containing federal races.
A statement from the U.S. Department of Justice web site describing Section 8 of the NVRA follows:
1. Does Section 8 impose any time restrictions on States as to when a general list maintenance program can be conducted?
Yes. Section 8 requires States to complete any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official list of eligible voters not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary election or general election for federal office. This 90 day deadline applies to state list maintenance verification activities such as general mailing and door to door canvasses. This 90 day deadline does not, however, preclude removal of names at the request of the registrant, removal due to the death of the registrant, removal due to criminal conviction or mental incapacity of the registrant as provided by State law, nor does the deadline preclude correction of a registrant's information.
http://www.leonvotes.org/includes/HomePDFs/2012/US_DoJ_Section8_Ruling_20120531.pdf
ETA - Last night Sancho said because of the date of the primary in August, the deadline for purging voter rolls was May 16. If pRick Scott had tried to do his purge sooner, there apparently would be no legal obstacle, other than individuals who would have to prove they are legal voters.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)So obviously its not about purging illegal voters, but about voter suppression.