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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:51 AM Jun 2012

Jeb Bush Blasts GOP, Says Party Is ‘Short-Sighted’ On Tax And Immigration Policies

Source: Think Progress

During an interview with Charlie Rose Thursday morning, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) called for increases in revenues to help solve the nation’s debt problem, but admitted that he wouldn’t be able to hold that position were he running for office within the modern Republican Party.


BUSH: Look, I can appreciate why they are reluctant to say that because commitments on spending are hard to implement. Commitments on raising taxes immediately happen…But if you’re asked a hypothetical question, which I was [...]

ROSE: And only you had the, as they say, courage to say, I wouldn’t go there.

BUSH: It was living proof I’m not running for anything…

ROSE: If they hadn’t been running they might have said something different?

BUSH: I hope so. Because we have unsustainable deficits.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/07/495980/jeb-bush-short-sighted-tax/


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Jeb Bush Blasts GOP, Says Party Is ‘Short-Sighted’ On Tax And Immigration Policies (Original Post) kpete Jun 2012 OP
He's not running for president. (nt) Skinner Jun 2012 #1
Thank God!! BlueDemKev Jun 2012 #16
He's Toast in the Repuke Party jerseyjack Jun 2012 #2
Jebbie is clearly positioning himself as a moderate. I find this ominous. RufusTFirefly Jun 2012 #3
I think 2016. Too drastic of a change from the pukes in 2012. woodsprite Jun 2012 #5
He is clearly running for president. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #6
2016, clearly. hifiguy Jun 2012 #8
all we need - continuation of the * dynasty wordpix Jun 2012 #11
Yeah, I do too. That's exactly what it looks like. calimary Jun 2012 #15
You are exactly right on all counts! PearliePoo2 Jun 2012 #20
Yep, his name was there on that list. calimary Jun 2012 #25
2016 grantcart Jun 2012 #28
(Maxwell Smart voice) "The old 'Outraged Conservative Moderate' Trick!" rocktivity Jun 2012 #4
Romney can check that name off the list JohnnyRingo Jun 2012 #7
Don't worry, Jebby! You WON'T hold that position when you run for Prez! LongTomH Jun 2012 #9
It's still not too late for 2012. What if Romney crashes and burns in the next month or two? rhett o rick Jun 2012 #10
It would take something like Romney impersonating a cop, wearing a state trooper uniform, and truthisfreedom Jun 2012 #29
There is no luck involved here. I believe that the corp-oligarchs are still deciding rhett o rick Jun 2012 #30
"Modern" Repuke party? Zoeisright Jun 2012 #12
Never thought Id see the day HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #13
Yep. It's beyond scary... BlueDemKev Jun 2012 #18
I'm not buying his song and dance. nt cstanleytech Jun 2012 #14
Series. After what he did to Florida. DCKit Jun 2012 #17
it's quite possible, melm00se Jun 2012 #19
Bushwah! We Already HAVE A Centrist Candidate! Vogon_Glory Jun 2012 #26
Jeb's positioning for 2016. marble falls Jun 2012 #21
Fuck JEB Solly Mack Jun 2012 #22
I also remember his bro sounding "moderate" LiberalLovinLug Jun 2012 #23
Bush Jr. made Reagan sound resonable and moderate in comparison. Now we are at a point where Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #24
The gop knows they are in big trouble in the future. kemah Jun 2012 #27

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
16. Thank God!!
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:05 PM
Jun 2012

Jeb Bush governed Florida like he was a dictator, screwing up public education and classroom teachers with his standardized testing bull shit.

The dangerous thing about him is, unlike his brother Dubya, the guy is extremely smart.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
3. Jebbie is clearly positioning himself as a moderate. I find this ominous.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:09 AM
Jun 2012

Does he want to be Veep? Or is he looking ahead to 2016?

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
5. I think 2016. Too drastic of a change from the pukes in 2012.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:13 AM
Jun 2012

But he's getting it set up. I think, even in 2016, that he's gonna find that he has a lot of leftover crap feelings from when his bro was in office, but he's trying.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. 2016, clearly.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:58 AM
Jun 2012

Position himself as a faux "moderate" and hope everyone has forgotten about His Chimpiness by then.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
15. Yeah, I do too. That's exactly what it looks like.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:55 PM
Jun 2012

Hey, guys, it's just fact-based reality: BE SUSPICIOUS. ESPECIALLY if it's a republi-CON. They don't change their stripes. This guy is another bush family reptile. Covered with nice-guy clothes. But still a reptile.

I wouldn't trust a bush, particularly ol' jebbie, farther than I can throw my house.

Don't forget - he was a principle signatory of the PNAC, Project for the New American Century. That's the very same one that called for America "to fight and decisively win (HAH! Yeah, SURE, decisively) multiple wars on multiple fronts" in order to protect our position at the top of the economic international ziggurat. It envisioned us enforcing empire at all costs. And it speculated about the exact best way to get the public behind it, against their own best interests: (paraphrasing) "what we need is a new Pearl Harbor" - some sort of national catastrophe that befalls us from external forces, that fires up the kind of blind blood lust for revenge that, funny enough, we actually witnessed within a couple-three years or so of its limited publication - on September 11th 2001. Frankly I think that's what fueled most of the MIHOP (Make It Happen On Purpose) suspicions of the then-new bush2 administration. Especially recalling that he said and did nothing when presented with that alarming Presidential Daily Brief on August 6th, I think it was, 2001, warning that al Qaeda was planning to strike within the US. I believe what he said when a CIA guy tried to warn him - "well, you've covered yer ass now."

jebbie SIGNED OFF ON THAT. He SIGNED IT, along with cheney and paul wolfowitz and bill kristol and a number of platinum-level CONservative operatives and chickenhawks and powers-behind-the-throne, and other various architects and cheerleaders of what became our abysmal adventure in Iraq.

One other thing, btw, just as long as I'm remembering, even if it is off-subject (sorry): I personally was shocked when I read down that list and spotted michael o'hanlon's name on there. He was (and I think still is) high up in the Brookings Institution, which through the early years of the bush2 administration was one of the rare few "liberal" figures allowed on the airwaves to counter the armies of GOP and CON slobberers over the war. They'd invariably throw on michael o'hanlon on camera purportedly to offer the "other side." Which he never really did. Because he was actually one of them. BASTARD. I notice that he's not sticking his head out too far above the foxhole anymore. Wonder if a few too many people found out about his "credibility."

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
20. You are exactly right on all counts!
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:46 PM
Jun 2012

although I did not know Jebbie was a filthy, PNAC bastard!
Nice post!

calimary

(81,322 posts)
25. Yep, his name was there on that list.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:20 PM
Jun 2012

Signatories to Statement of Principles

Elliott Abrams[5]
Gary Bauer[5]
William J. Bennett[5]
John Ellis "Jeb" Bush[5]
Richard B. Cheney[5]
Eliot A. Cohen[5]
Midge Decter[5]
Paula Dobriansky[5]
Steve Forbes[5]
Aaron Friedberg[5]
Francis Fukuyama[5]
Frank Gaffney[5]
Fred C. Ikle[5]



Donald Kagan[5]
Zalmay Khalilzad[5]
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby[5]
Norman Podhoretz[5]
J. Danforth Quayle[5]
Peter W. Rodman[5]
Stephen P. Rosen[5]
Henry S. Rowen[5]
Donald Rumsfeld[5]
Vin Weber[5]
George Weigel[5]
Paul Wolfowitz[5]


Up at the very top:
Project directors

[as listed on the PNAC website:]

William Kristol, Co-founder and Chairman[1]
Robert Kagan, Co-founder[1]
Bruce P. Jackson[1]



Mark Gerson[1]
Randy Scheunemann[1]

randy scheunemann - keep an eye on him. EVIL. He was brought in as john mccain's foreign policy/national security advisor, and he's the one who tried, in vain, to coach sarah palin for her debate with Joe Biden. He even admitted he went away from there just shaking his head. And bill kristol, the publisher of the "Weekly Standard," needs to be watched as well. It's important to see where these people go, who they line up with, who they're brought in to advise - like how many of these ruthless assholes will be on romney's staff.

rummy and john bolton, michael o'hanlon, dan quayle, and a whole host of other rogues and demons are signatories here:

Signatories or contributors to other significant letters or reports[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
28. 2016
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jun 2012

They want Romney and his VEEP to go down in an electoral landslide so it helps clear the way to 2016.

If he were to be VEEP and Romney had a close finish then Romney is going to run again.

This isn't the first, and won't be the last time that Jeb undercuts Romney in this campaign.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
4. (Maxwell Smart voice) "The old 'Outraged Conservative Moderate' Trick!"
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:12 AM
Jun 2012

But unlike his bro, at least he's not pretending that he wouldn't make a sharp right turn once in office.


rocktivity

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
7. Romney can check that name off the list
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:52 AM
Jun 2012

In the end, the Teabaggers, which is to say all Republicans now, will settle for nothing less than a VP candidate who channels Mussolini and takes orders from Norquist.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
9. Don't worry, Jebby! You WON'T hold that position when you run for Prez!
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jun 2012

Sticky note for Mitt: Don't forget to mail etch-a-sketch to Jeb Bush after 2012 campaign!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. It's still not too late for 2012. What if Romney crashes and burns in the next month or two?
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jun 2012

What if Karl Rove finds something on him that cannot be swept under the carpet, esp if the Bush Family doesnt want it to be?

If by some Rovian "miracle", Jeb becomes the candidate with only months to go, he will have avoided all those horrible debates. Those debates that were totally stupid to put your real candidate thru.

Now some will say that it is too late for Jeb to launch a campaign. I disagree. Those idiots that were planning on voting for Romney will not decide to change to Obama vs. Bush. Those same idiots wont care about the Bush legacy. I think WI was the test. Whatever they did to win can certainly be used to push Bush thru.

Just sayin

truthisfreedom

(23,148 posts)
29. It would take something like Romney impersonating a cop, wearing a state trooper uniform, and
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jun 2012

pulling people over with a flashing red light on his car.

But we could never get that lucky, could we? 8^D

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. There is no luck involved here. I believe that the corp-oligarchs are still deciding
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:15 PM
Jun 2012

if Pres Obama is vulnerable. I believe that Rove has something up his sleeve that would take Rmoney down if this is the time for Jeb to make his move. Recent jabs at Rmoney by Jeb in the press are curious. Is he just getting started for 2016 or is there still a chance for 2012.

With Citizen's United behind him, I believe Rove can bring almost anyone down. Even maybe Pres Obama. Remember, it doesnt have to be true, only believable and the MSM is a willing accomplice.

ps: on edit, my track record on this is below zero.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
12. "Modern" Repuke party?
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:38 PM
Jun 2012

Not the word I would have chosen. "Backward", "Medieval", and "Crushingly Stupid" are more accurate.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. Never thought Id see the day
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:57 PM
Jun 2012

When Jeb would be a "moderate" rethug. Just goes to show how extreme the party has become.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
17. Series. After what he did to Florida.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:05 PM
Jun 2012

I don't think Babs was ever capable of squeezing out a non-psychopath. He's angling for something.

If anything, the Bushes have given me a greater understanding and liking for my own totally fucked-up family. They're a whole other level of dysfunction.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
19. it's quite possible,
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jun 2012

based upon some of the analyses of political division in the USA, Bush may see an opportunity to drive straight up the middle as an alternative 3rd party, more centrist candidate than each of the mainstream candidates appear to be (from the opposing sides POV).

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
26. Bushwah! We Already HAVE A Centrist Candidate!
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 09:22 AM
Jun 2012

Bushwah! We Democrats already HAVE a centrist presidential candidate! Barack Obama is a centrist with an economic policy well to the right of the policies of FDR's New Deal and Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. President Obama's economic policies bear a strong resemblance to the effectively-centrist economic policies of Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.

The right-wing Republican Party and its Tea Party fringe have turned the GOP into a right-wing party with an extremist agenda. They no longer HAVE anything resembling a political center, except among clueless long-time voters that haven't noticed their party's shift to the right or other clueless voters who hope (in vain) that the GOP is "going to swing back to the center" (About as unlikely as flying pigs, conga-lines of dancing armadillos, and the tooth fairy leaving the poorest children of America $20 gold pieces under their pillow every time they lose baby teeth). We Democrats are not only the liberals, but we ARE the center. The Elephant Party and its affiliates AREN'T.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
23. I also remember his bro sounding "moderate"
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:17 PM
Jun 2012

when he was running for leadership. He said he was against "nation building". He also sounded quite moderate.

During the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush argued against nation building and foreign military entanglements. In the second presidential debate, he said: "I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got to be.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-646142.html

This is a total setup. He is going to be presented as a moderate who will be a "compassionate conservative". Hmmm where have I heard that before?

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
24. Bush Jr. made Reagan sound resonable and moderate in comparison. Now we are at a point where
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jun 2012

Bush Jr. and his brother now sound moderate and reasonable in comparison to today's Republican Party. Where will this all end? What is disconcerting is that no matter how far to the right, how unreasonable and how extreme the Republican Party moves - they still remain a very strong and viable political entity that now holds the House of Representatives and could very well win control of the Senate and is within striking distance of once again completely controlling all three branches of government - all with minimal critique from the media.

kemah

(276 posts)
27. The gop knows they are in big trouble in the future.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 10:41 AM
Jun 2012

Their base is dying off, NRA membership is dropping every year,
I took my two boys to a gun range and they were not impressed, they have more fun playing Halo, then shooting at targets, plus it is more expensive than Halo. bullets cost $1 each.
The wedge issues do not work on young people, that's why they are trying to suppress the student vote.
Immigrants are the growing majority, they will certainly not vote for "self-deport, fence building, no Dream Act, Romney.

So Jeb and Rove are trying to appeal to young and immigrants, but they have no substance and their scare tactics, "gay, cuts to pell grants, no to birth control, pro life, gun rights, is not going to work on immigrants and the young.

They are going to vote for their self-interests just like the 1% do.

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