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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:35 PM Mar 2016

Bogota residents lynch 1 person every 3 days on average: Study

Source: Colombia Reports

Bogota residents lynch 1 person every 3 days on average: Study
Posted by Adriaan Alsema on Mar 16, 2016

Bogota residents on average lynch one person every three days, according to a study that blames Colombia’s decades-long armed conflict and inactive police force for the phenomenon of mob justice.

Lynchings are embarrassingly common in Colombia where law enforcement often is deficient or inactive. The numbers released by the Bogota newspaper demonstrate how serious the phenomenon is.

According to El Espectador, 140 people died in lynchings between June 2014 and June 2015. Another 600 were rescued while the victims of sometimes fatal mob justice.

The figures come from the National University that, unlike any local or national authority, investigated the phenomenon of mob justice in the capital.

Read more: http://colombiareports.com/bogota-residents-average-lynch-1-person-every-3-days/

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Bogota residents lynch 1 person every 3 days on average: Study (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2016 OP
Holy Sh*t! WhiteTara Mar 2016 #1
um, no LOL snooper2 Mar 2016 #2
wow, sounds like Texas. olddad56 Mar 2016 #3
What? kentauros Mar 2016 #7
A more publicized lynching was Texas' own James Byrd, murdered by Texas Klansmen in 1998. Judi Lynn Mar 2016 #10
I'm aware of that. kentauros Mar 2016 #12
I was talking about the Texas state government. olddad56 Mar 2016 #19
I'm against the Death Penalty. kentauros Mar 2016 #20
So is this tidbit more or less of an outrage for the country than some comedian reading out the Chakab Mar 2016 #4
Amazing, isn't it? You'd think he had tried to murder her. Their media couldn't accept it. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2016 #11
Not to mention all of the outrage on social media about how he had "disgraced" their country. Chakab Mar 2016 #13
Everything I heard from them sounded completely insane. It's so trivial, too. Judi Lynn Mar 2016 #16
A warning when people have lost confidence in their government providing justice. FLPanhandle Mar 2016 #5
But that also is bad. Igel Mar 2016 #14
So I'm guessing all the articles I keep seeing about retiring there are just PR? alcina Mar 2016 #6
No, not at all. This type of sensationlist reporting refers COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #8
Anyone reporting the facts on the lynchings is trying to sensationalize something unimportant? Judi Lynn Mar 2016 #9
The title is unquestionably sensationalist. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #15
So what you're saying alcina Mar 2016 #17
I lived in Colombia for over 25 years, and I seriously COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #18

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
10. A more publicized lynching was Texas' own James Byrd, murdered by Texas Klansmen in 1998.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

He was walking down the road, taken by several Klansmen, tied to their bumper with chains, dragged until his arms and his head were ripped off. Hideous beyond all understanding. It was the first time in Texas history white men were convicted for killing a black man.

Another dragging in Texas was perpetration upon Brandon McCelland, in Paris, Texas, in 2008.

Another dragging in Beaumont Texas chose Theresa Ardoin, as the "guest of honor."

As we know, those two murders were not nationally reported. Probably standard, unfortunately.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
12. I'm aware of that.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:46 PM
Mar 2016

But the poster implied that the reported story of "one person lynched every three days on average" as being the same as in Texas. There's nothing in the world that's comparable to that! Except in the minds of DU's Texas haters

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
19. I was talking about the Texas state government.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:24 AM
Mar 2016

You don't have to be a Texas Hater to realize that executing 535 people since 1976 leads all states by 434. Go Texas You are #1.

Given that approx. 1 in every 25 is the national average thought to be innocent, that is only about 21 innocent people put to death in Texas since 1976.

http://www.newsweek.com/one-25-executed-us-innocent-study-claims-248889

You must be so proud.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
20. I'm against the Death Penalty.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:18 AM
Mar 2016

And your post had nothing in it about what you just stated. The OP is about an average of one person every three days being lynched. Now if they were being executed by the state, then that would apply to your complaint about the death penalty in Texas. The two are not even remotely the same.

Next time try to post exactly what you mean, instead of not revealing it in your initial posts.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
4. So is this tidbit more or less of an outrage for the country than some comedian reading out the
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

wrong name during a beauty pageant?

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
13. Not to mention all of the outrage on social media about how he had "disgraced" their country.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:54 PM
Mar 2016

...and I won't even get into all of the racist bullshit that was being directed at Harvey and black Americans en masse.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
16. Everything I heard from them sounded completely insane. It's so trivial, too.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:24 PM
Mar 2016

These racists must be foaming at the mouth waiting for any chance to erupt, to rave on, until they collapse.

They disgraced their country in the eyes of the human race by trying to make so much noise about it. Anyone who's well-balanced would grasp it was a simple mistake which could happen to anyone. It's not as if the fate of the world waiting upon that announcement.

It's just not important, not really.

What has REALLY disgraced their country is being a racist, fascist, feudal system which has slaughtered a horrendous number of people in the interest of keeping the tiny number of racist, Spanish descended oligarchs running everything, and the rest of the country living in horrendous poverty.

Colombia has long been viewed as THE Latin American country with the biggest divide between the very few in power over a vast number of terrified poor people. The state has been committing atrocities since the 1940's, to keep things this way. Way over 200,000 people murdered, and the US has pumped over $10 billion into Colombia since 2000.

A "disgrace" is the Colombian military luring lots of uneducated young Colombian men, under the guise of finding a good job, then murdering them, dressing their bodies in ways that identify them as FARC, and eventually pitching them into mass graves. "Disgraced" is a country which has a huge paramilitary death squad terrorizing citizens throughout the country, even going into voting booths to make sure they vote for the right guy, killing off union leaders or organizers, clergy sympathetic to the poor, educators, human rights activists, indigenous, African-Colombians, farmers who won't give up their own land, women they believe are prostitutes, women or men they believe are drunks, street vendors who might make a town area look shabby, (social cleansing), etc., etc.

A "disgrace" is when these same paramilitary death squads use crematoria to handle overflow from their mass graves, (one of which seeped down into the ground water and poisoned people in a nearby town, "La Macarena&quot or chain saws to terrorize villagers while they dismember their neighbors, leaders, etc. in public, or machetes to disembowel bodies, sometimes filling them with stones so they sink into the waters of rivers. THAT could be something rightly termed a "disgrace."

Dirtballs.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
5. A warning when people have lost confidence in their government providing justice.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016

It's important that the police and courts have the confidence of the population.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
14. But that also is bad.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016

Judge Lynch carried out the popular will at the expense of justice. Not even kangaroo-court level.

That is what some want now. The "community" decides guilt and the servile judge should placate the community.

A democracy requires one of several things. The populace can be wise or follow wise leaders. Group boundaries squash wisdom and produce demagogues more interested in condemning others and praising followers than planning out 10 years for the common good. We're left with immediate particular goods and self-interest declares this "common".

alcina

(602 posts)
6. So I'm guessing all the articles I keep seeing about retiring there are just PR?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

"In Bogotá, you can shop for the latest European or North American fashions, dine at top rated restaurants, or peruse the latest exhibit at the National Museum. But watch out for dignitaries in fast-moving motorcades." (Emphasis mine.)

Now I know why those motorcades are moving so fast....

https://internationalliving.com/2014/01/5-reasons-to-retire-to-colombia/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzan-haskins-and-dan-prescher/retiring-on-colombia_b_8098436.html
http://retirefabulously.com/blog/2016/01/27/fabulous-places-to-retire-colombia/

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
8. No, not at all. This type of sensationlist reporting refers
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:54 PM
Mar 2016

to occurrences in the large slum belt surrounding the capital city, composed of people who have left the countryside for the city and are now living in crowded, substandard housing. These communities have organized theselves around armed gangs which control their territory and also dispense their own brand of 'justice', very similar to the favelas of Brazil. Like Brazil Police, undermanned and underarmed are not welcome there. This also leads to episodes of 'citizen justice' similar to those in our own wild West, where the offender when caught is dealt with summarily by the population. This is more common in cases of rape, murder and other crimes against the person.

This is not something that a visitor to (or most resident of) Bogota would ever be aware of except for reading the occasional article, nor is it something that would affect them. Just one of the realities in the pooresr parts of almost all Latin America.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
9. Anyone reporting the facts on the lynchings is trying to sensationalize something unimportant?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:15 PM
Mar 2016

It happens almost all over Latin America, "America's backyard?"

Only sensationalists mention it?

Thanks for straightening it out for us.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
15. The title is unquestionably sensationalist.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016

The statistics reported are questionable at best. This type of thing goes on in undeveloped and underdeveloped countries all around the world, and is quite common in the poorer parts of Latin America. Unfortunately there are actually countries that do not have the luxuries of unlimited public resources for things like housing and police protection that we take for granted here and where there are deficiencies in these areas people will make their own accomodations in order to live. I'm not sure just what "America's backyard" adds to the discussion - just a trite, meaningless comment that adds nothing to the discussion.

You really ought to go to Latin America some time. It might be a real eye opener.

alcina

(602 posts)
17. So what you're saying
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:42 PM
Mar 2016

is that it's "sensationalist reporting" because it's about poor people living in slums? You acknowledge that this type of violence is a reality. Why is reporting about it "sensationalist"? Is it just the framing? Would you be more comfortable with the article if the headline read

IN SLUMS JUST OUTSIDE BOGOTA, 1 PERSON IS LYNCHED EVERY 3 DAYS

Or is it better to not talk about it at all? Maybe that would make the problem go away.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
18. I lived in Colombia for over 25 years, and I seriously
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

doubt the "one person lynched every three days" meme. Lynchings do happen in poor and marginalized areas all over Latin America, areas which do not have reliable police protection and where inhabitants are forced to take the law into their own hands for self-protection. That doesn't mean that these are common occurrences, much less there's a lynching "one every three days". This is Just sensationalist writing exploiting a socio-economic situation that poorer countries have.

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