if you guessed "very conservative catholic" you would be right more often than not.

per recent bio of J Edgar.

It was really more of a rhetorical question.

( i know this isn't really feasable, just wondering)

so, say if i (a u.s. citizen) was to travel to to europe, and then find myself in this mans shoes and not be able to fly home?

what if i just stayed there till my visitors visa was expired (anybody know how long that is?) and turned myself in to the proper authorities? They would have to "evict" me somehow, wouldn't they? And they would have to send me to my home country, right? I mean, we don't send a Mexican to Switzerland, do we? So how would they get me home? Tramp steamer? Hot air balloon?

Although I am not any sort of expert on these matters of international law, I suspect you might find yourself able to claim political asylum. I mean, if your own country doesn't want you back... well, maybe I'm wording that incorrectly; the 'no-fly' list doesn't ban you from the country, just from getting back conveniently. I wonder if there are any attorneys prepared to argue that this constitutes some sort of political harassment?

The article says. He can drive in. The US can't refuse to admit a citizen.

Having just completed a master's degree - doesn't seem like terrorists would bother with that at least not someone going to make a suicide attack on a plane. Seems like overkill.

1.) 90 days for the Schengen area, barring extensions, or bopping back and forth to a non Schengen country (UK, for example).

2.) Steamer service is unreliable these days. Hot air baloon is your best bet.

Most people take a bus/shuttle to San Juan Del Sur Nicaragua for 3 days and go back, You can do it forever as far as I know. Expired Visas can get ugly, I think you normally pay a fine but I'm sure you can go to jail.. Also if you get kicked out, normally you can never go back.

My question is:
if i am in a overseas foreign country and on my return i find i am on the no-fly list, and i "refuse" to make my own arrangements to fly to Mexico or Canada or where-ever, what will the host country do with me once my tourist visa expires? Their options to expel me from their country are limited i guess to land (impossible) sea (what, a tramp steamer? luxury cruise? hot air balloon?) or air (well i guess they could charter me a flight).

So what happens?

at your own expense, and then make your way by land. Assuming the Central American country was OK with you coming in, of course. If none was, then 'tramp steamer', perhaps - cargo ships do still take the occasional passenger.

You couldn't fly to Mexico or Canada, though - flights from Europe to Canada, Mexico or Cuba are subject to the American no-fly list, even if they don't enter US airspace. The guy in this case may have been lucky they let him fly to Tijuana - but that may be because they were just trying to make it hard enough to return that he'd agree to become an FBI informant - see reply #28. If they made it too difficult for him to return, they might not get their informant. Or perhaps they haven't put the screws on the airlines flying inside Mexico yet.

I hope he's seen the last of any trouble but I doubt it.

The exact science of identifying threats.

The FBI spends more time, money and effort investigating peace activists than actual terrorists.
The proof is in the pudding: There is still plenty of terrorism to go around, but no peace.

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ponounced Americayeehaw!!

It's spelled "AMERCIA"

The Romney campaign said so in writing!

I'm with Mint!

Que lastima!

Like those paramecia we viewed under a microscope in high school biology class?

Amercia, n.: One-celled animals, adhering to the Mormon religion, thriving in waste canals in Salt Lake City.

but I would not be comfortable driving through that country nowadays.

Incorporate himself.

your post as well.

So even if the used it one time, the name stays on the list forever. I have learned each airlines code words when it pops up on their screen. Back in 2001 everyone freaked out when I checked in for my flights. Now it is so routine they do not raise an eyebrow. If I have a frequent flier account with that airline thee is no problem. This guy is getting the 3rd degree because he is Muslim and has Iran in the name. Otherwise he would have had no problem.

be being put on the No Fly List as an apparent means of coercion by the FBI.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/18/11266018-american-seeks-political-asylum-in-sweden-alleging-torture-fbi-coercion?lite

18 Apr 2012
3:08pm, EDT
American seeks political asylum in Sweden, alleging torture, FBI coercion
By Kari Huus, msnbc.com

An American citizen who alleges that he was detained and tortured overseas at the behest of the U.S. government — and is now marooned as a result of the U.S. no-fly list — has filed for political asylum in Sweden, he announced with his lawyers on Wednesday.

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Fikre’s ordeal took place outside the United States — far from his home in Portland, Ore. — but he and his American lawyer say they believe it was orchestrated by the FBI in connection with an investigation in Portland. And they maintain that Fikre’s inclusion on the no-fly list — which bars him from boarding U.S.-bound flights — has been used as a tool to coerce information, not because he presents a risk to U.S. flights.

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Do you have your papers?