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George II

(67,782 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:01 PM Mar 2016

Clinton bashes Trump at AIPAC for 'neutral' stance on Israel

Source: The Jerusalem Post

Washington: Donald J. Trump has "no business" being president of the United States if he is neutral on the issue of Palestinian terrorism, Hillary Rodham Clinton said on Monday, in an aggressive and concerted attack against the GOP frontrunner at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's annual policy conference.

Clinton, likely the Democratic presidential nominee, appealed to the liberal democratic inclinations of 18,000 pro-Israel activists gathered here, targeting Trump's "bigotry" and "bullying" while underscoring the need for steady-handed leadership in a world full of perils.

"America can't ever be neutral when it comes to Israel's security or survival," Clinton said. "Some things aren't negotiable."

Clinton, former first lady, senator from New York and secretary of state, recounted her experience with victims of Palestinian attacks. The US cannot be neutral on the issue, she said, because "in Israel's story, we see our own, and the stories of all people who struggled for freedom and self-determination."

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/WATCH-LIVE-Hillary-Clinton-addresses-AIPAC-in-Washington-DC-448659



Interesting that Secretary Clinton, Governor Kasich, Senator Cruz, and Donald Trump are addressing this conference, along with Congressional leaders from both parties.

One wonders why Senator Sanders can't be bothered to attend?
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Clinton bashes Trump at AIPAC for 'neutral' stance on Israel (Original Post) George II Mar 2016 OP
HRC is being disgraceful right now... RepubliCON-Watch Mar 2016 #1
. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #5
Typical Hillary supporter response on human rights. cpwm17 Mar 2016 #12
Can you believe people like that call themselves "progressives". Now that deserves a: Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #18
That is all the stupid silly comment deserved. riversedge Mar 2016 #26
Yeah, just FUCKING hilarious! You're post is disgusting. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #17
Are you a true Bernie supporter ? stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #20
Poster is laughing leftynyc Mar 2016 #35
They were never offered shit. cpwm17 Mar 2016 #44
One doesn't need to wonder why he can't be bothered. maxsolomon Mar 2016 #2
Sanders LIVED in Israel on a kibbutz bigworld Mar 2016 #8
Yes, 50 years ago, and it was a pro-Soviet kibbutz. George II Mar 2016 #14
Israel was pretty much founded on left-wing socialist ideals bigworld Mar 2016 #15
^^^this^^^ eom Purveyor Mar 2016 #22
+1 eom dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #27
and THAT was the version of Israel most American Jews grew up admiring karynnj Mar 2016 #30
One of the few things Trump is right about. PeteSelman Mar 2016 #3
In Israel's story we see our own? HassleCat Mar 2016 #4
Both nations founded by oppressed minorities fleeing persecution oberliner Mar 2016 #9
Israel has not attacked any Muslim country. former9thward Mar 2016 #42
"freedom and self-determination" is a wonderful objective William Seger Mar 2016 #6
Clinton always takes the side of those who can benefit her the most bigworld Mar 2016 #7
Nice one-liner. George II Mar 2016 #11
Great speech 6chars Mar 2016 #10
It's times like this.... markj757 Mar 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #16
this is the least compelling attack possible on Trump. nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #19
re: "One wonders why Senator Sanders can't be bothered to attend?" thesquanderer Mar 2016 #21
it's because Sanders is busy campaigning for the American vote MisterP Mar 2016 #23
OMG DonCoquixote Mar 2016 #24
K&R for exposure. Like the tone of the responses so far. Thanks for posting. Purveyor Mar 2016 #25
Sanders politely Avoids AIPAC & sharing Stage with pro-Netanyahu Warmongers stupidicus Mar 2016 #28
I don't support either of them - Sanders nor Netanyahu. You obviously have missed..... George II Mar 2016 #29
he dodged them politely maxsolomon Mar 2016 #32
just like Trump eh? stupidicus Mar 2016 #39
You guys love to make negative assumptions about a few simple sentences, even it they're..... George II Mar 2016 #40
you mean we like to use your tactics stupidicus Mar 2016 #41
I didn't assume anything about his absence, I read about it in his campaign's own words. George II Mar 2016 #45
bs stupidicus Mar 2016 #46
If I blatantly commented on why he didn't attend it would have been alert-swarmed and hidden..... George II Mar 2016 #47
that has to be one of the silliest things ever posted here stupidicus Mar 2016 #52
I'm now literally afraid of a Hillary presidency. Such saber rattling against Iran. Dems to Win Mar 2016 #31
She's itching for more war in the ME farleftlib Mar 2016 #48
Clinton: LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #33
Where did you get that quote? George II Mar 2016 #34
It was not a direct quote (hint: no quotation marks) LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #37
Ah, you "surmised" it. No, it is not "clear" about what she said about Trump. George II Mar 2016 #38
You don't think your own candidate is being clear? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #49
A lot. George II Mar 2016 #50
You just make stuff up and believe it and pass it thinking others will believe. NOPE! riversedge Mar 2016 #36
Let him have it! GOLGO 13 Mar 2016 #43
The usual genuflection of politicians to AIPAC continues donna123 Mar 2016 #51
 

RepubliCON-Watch

(559 posts)
1. HRC is being disgraceful right now...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:07 PM
Mar 2016

The fact that you are sooo willing to abandon the millions of Palestinians who were kicked out of their home-land, oppressed and killed ruthlessly---PISSES ME OFF!!! I don't want a president who doesn't give two $#@%s about human rights for everyone!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
35. Poster is laughing
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

at your cartoon version of history. They were offered a state and went to war instead. Now they want a do-over. Several of them since they continue the violence to this day. And elect terrorists as leaders. But you keep blaming Israel for all the problems. That's bound to help them get them what they want.

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
2. One doesn't need to wonder why he can't be bothered.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders doesn't need to prove his obeisance to AIPAC.

bigworld

(1,807 posts)
15. Israel was pretty much founded on left-wing socialist ideals
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:29 PM
Mar 2016

The right wing nuttery is relatively recent.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
30. and THAT was the version of Israel most American Jews grew up admiring
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

- not the Israel of Netanyahu and the even more right wing faction ... many of whom actually came from Russia in the 1980s.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
3. One of the few things Trump is right about.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

Let's see if he sticks to his guns. I'm not surprised to see everyone else pandering.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
4. In Israel's story we see our own?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

The United States was founded as a religious nation? The US actively discriminates against religious minorities? In which state do we send in the military to destroy the houses of some people so that Real Americans can build there? (If you told me we knock down Mexican neighborhoods to build resorts in Texas, I might believe you.) Do Baptists need special permission to travel from Alabama to Mississippi?

I do agree we share some significant similarities with Israel. We like to attack Muslim countries. Specifically, we both like to antagonize Iran. So maybe she's right.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. Both nations founded by oppressed minorities fleeing persecution
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:34 PM
Mar 2016

I would also point out that Israel was not founded as a religious nation, but as a secular one. It's actually one of the only secular countries in the region.

former9thward

(32,064 posts)
42. Israel has not attacked any Muslim country.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

All of its wars have been defensive wars. Antagonize Iran? The Iran who has repeatably has said it is going to destroy Israel.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
6. "freedom and self-determination" is a wonderful objective
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:22 PM
Mar 2016

... but why just for Israelis? I fully support Israel's right and need for self-defense, but Israel's apartheid policies and illegal settlements must stop.

 

markj757

(194 posts)
13. It's times like this....
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:06 PM
Mar 2016

that I can't stand that I'm going to vote for her. This kiss Israel's ass at any cost type propaganda at the cost of Palestinian humiliation and oppression makes me sick to my stomach.

Response to George II (Original post)

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
21. re: "One wonders why Senator Sanders can't be bothered to attend?"
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:28 PM
Mar 2016

I assume you did not mean to imply that Sanders would not be friendly to Israel. While he might not be so enamored of the right wing government of Netanyahu, with his being a Jew who lost relatives in the holocaust, I don't think there would be many in the Jewish community who would doubt his commitment to Israel's security. To that extent, I don't think he has to establish his cred to anyone.

Anyway, one can wonder, or one can find out.

from http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-not-attend-aipac-israel-220973

“I would very much have enjoyed speaking at the AIPAC conference. Obviously issues impacting Israel and the Middle East are of the utmost importance to me, to our country and to the world,” Sanders, who is Jewish, wrote to AIPAC President Robert Cohen. “Unfortunately, I am going to be traveling throughout the West and the campaign schedule that we have prevents me from attending.”

Sanders promised to send over a copy of the speech he would have given had he been able to speak, and asked for it to be distributed to members.

George II

(67,782 posts)
29. I don't support either of them - Sanders nor Netanyahu. You obviously have missed.....
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:34 PM
Mar 2016

...Clinton's comments about him.

Sanders didn't "politely avoid" AIPAC, he dodged them.

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
32. he dodged them politely
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016

how many other Socialist Jews spoke? AIPAC would rather get smoke blown up their ass by Fundy Christians like Cruz, who want the Rapture already and think the Anti-Christ will be a Jew.

Sanders knows that AIPAC doesn't pull much weight with Democratic primary voters. it's a waste of his limited time.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
39. just like Trump eh?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

it appears that you also share HC's rightwingerhood as well on this issue. http://americablog.com/2016/03/clinton-plants-flag-trumps-right-israel.html

I can't wait until the day arrives that such is no longer acceptable as "dem" behavior.



George II

(67,782 posts)
40. You guys love to make negative assumptions about a few simple sentences, even it they're.....
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

....totally incorrect assumptions.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
41. you mean we like to use your tactics
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

when you assume and make the case you did about Bernie's absence?

The simple and inarguable fact of the matter is that you support her povs that are to the right of the donalds on Israel, and denounce Bernie for not participating in the warmongers lovefest.

And of course as is the case with virtually all of her supporters, that old adage about how "we are judged by the company we keep" is applied only to rightwingers.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
46. bs
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016
"One wonders why Senator Sanders can't be bothered to attend?"


SO do you often "wonder" about things you already have an incontrovertible answer to?

meanwhile, your guilt by way of 2 degrees of separation leaves one "wondering" what it is about warmongers is it that you find so attractive, or in the alternative, a trifling thing compared to Bernie not playing with those bad boys and girls, since you give that no consideration at all while implying something what, untoward on Bernie's part for not participating http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/5/1480455/-Endorsed-by-all-the-best-war-criminals-and-scumbag-billionaires

George II

(67,782 posts)
47. If I blatantly commented on why he didn't attend it would have been alert-swarmed and hidden.....
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

You've been around a while, you know the drill.

Fact remains, all of this negative stuff about Clinton only gains her votes, it doesn't lose votes for her. And she will win the nomination AND the Presidency.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
52. that has to be one of the silliest things ever posted here
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:30 AM
Mar 2016

if that were the case, BS would have zero support by now, and she'd have all the marbles.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
31. I'm now literally afraid of a Hillary presidency. Such saber rattling against Iran.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

While America is supporting the Saudis in their devastation of Yemen, including actual genocide by starvation of the Yemeni population.

Reading that article left me cold and dismayed.

I want a president of the US, solely dedicated to the best interest of the USA. Of course this recognizes that America does well when the entire world is doing well. But Hillary's unabashed unconditional support of Israel is not what I want in my president.

It sounds like Trump was the one who was brave and rational at AIPAC. This is insane. Makes me wanna holler.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
48. She's itching for more war in the ME
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

and no matter how far Netanyahu goes, she moves right along with him. The illegal settlements? No problem. Denial of Palestinians' rights? What rights? She will have even more blood on her hands than now, and that's scary.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
37. It was not a direct quote (hint: no quotation marks)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

It is what I surmised from her statements,

"America can't ever be neutral when it comes to Israel's security"

along with:

"Donald J. Trump has "no business" being president of the United States if he is neutral on the issue of Palestinian terrorism"

Its clear she is criticizing Trump for not saber rattling enough for one side over the other, and it this case, for this particular audience, it is backing the Apartheid Israeli State over the naughty uppity Palestinians.

In fact the only way to achieve peace in the region is to enter with a neutral stance and open mind. Not pandering to the hawks on one side. Decades of war in Ireland only ended when they stopped the demonization of the oppressed side for the actions of the most extreme and actually attempted to back up, listen to concerns, and re-approach it from a more neutral stance.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
49. You don't think your own candidate is being clear?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

I even actually quoted her for you this time. Seems pretty clear to me. She is critical of Trump for being neutral. What did I miss?

donna123

(182 posts)
51. The usual genuflection of politicians to AIPAC continues
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:33 PM
Mar 2016

Trump is also not immune. Netanyahu and his ilk have been so disrespectful to Obama and to the US in general. If the US doesn't do everything Israel wants, they spit on us. WTF. WHY is this not negotiable? Not that I want us to negotiate or try to broker any Israel-Palestinian deal because it won't work and Israel doesn't want the US to broker any deal, they just want us to keep funneling money and support while they do whatever they want. I believe Israel has every right to defend itself, the Palestinians are so extreme and nutty, but I do not care for Israel leading the US by the nose. If I were Jewish, I would be invested in Israel, yes, but I am not and most of the country is not, just like most of the country are not of Chinese descent and invested in China or invested in Ireland or whatever other country. Why is Israel more special than Burma or Honduras or Nepal. Do presidential candidates speak to any other special interest group like this? I honestly do not know, if they do, I would like to know, otherwise, it just looks like Israel having this stranglehold on pretty much all politicians in the US.

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