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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:14 AM Mar 2016

Russian Court Jails Ukraine's Savchenko for 22 Years Over Deaths

Source: Bloomberg

A court in Russia imprisoned Ukrainian officer Nadiya Savchenko for 22 years after convicting her of complicity in the murder of two Russian journalists in eastern Ukraine in a trial that’s been condemned by the U.S. and the European Union.

Savchenko, 34, who’s on hunger strike in protest at the trial, was also convicted of illegally crossing Russia’s border and will be fined, the court in the southern Russian town of Donetsk ruled on Tuesday. Prosecutors had demanded that Savchenko be jailed for 23 years.

The trial “is a maneuver for the Kremlin,” which needs to “justify aggression in” eastern Ukraine and “everyone knows” Savchenko is innocent, her lawyer Mark Feygin said by phone Monday before sentencing proceedings began.

Savchenko, who denied the charges, has become a symbol for many Ukrainians of resistance to pro-Russian separatism in the conflict in the country’s east. She says she was kidnapped by Russian-backed rebels in the conflict zone in June 2014 and taken across the border to Russia. Ukraine says she’s being held illegally, and the U.S. and the EU have both called on Russia to release her. Savchenko was elected to Ukraine’s parliament in 2014 while in Russian detention.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-22/russian-court-jails-ukraine-s-savchenko-for-22-years-over-deaths

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Russian Court Jails Ukraine's Savchenko for 22 Years Over Deaths (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 OP
Russia is a mafia state, nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #1
I think if people see the horror in the Lughansk highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #2
Where are you getting that she was copilot? Bradical79 Mar 2016 #3
She was an SU-24 co-pilot. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #5
I'm not seeing it Bradical79 Mar 2016 #7
If you read Russian media they have it all over the place. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #12
"Russian sites are banned here" NickB79 Mar 2016 #19
typical RW Russian propaganda. tell us what you really think about Putin's fascist gov uhnope Mar 2016 #20
So when does Russia admit culpability for MH17, chief? Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #4
Personally, I don't believe that Russia had anything to do with it. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #6
welcome back, Go West Young Man nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #8
Did you even read Robert Parrys article highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #9
Better believe it. nt Codeine Mar 2016 #10
Apparently "deckchairDanny" aka GoWest is on timeout over at DI... EX500rider Mar 2016 #16
Lot's of wrong in your post... EX500rider Mar 2016 #11
That is incorrect. From what I read, they had a shortage of pilots so she was doing both. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #13
"she's a wicked woman who finds nothing wrong with her actions" EX500rider Mar 2016 #14
I know BBC right. British State Propaganda channel that the British people are currently petitioning highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #17
you allege that all sources which contradict your narrative are propaga LanternWaste Mar 2016 #21
yet more apologia on DU for the Russia's fascist war machine uhnope Mar 2016 #18
So Russia, a country supposedly not engaged in the war, convicted a soldier with murder PersonNumber503602 Mar 2016 #15
I don't know? highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #22
 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
2. I think if people see the horror in the Lughansk
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:29 AM
Mar 2016

bombing videos on You Tube they will surely be happy to see this woman sent off to jail. I won't post the video here because they are too horrific to put up. But if folks want to see for themselves one of the victims right after it happened, her names was Inna Kukurudza.

Type the following words into the You Tube search bar ( Lughansk bombing Inna Kukurudza) and be prepared to cry your eyes out. Her arms and legs are blown off, but she still politely asks the person helping her if she can use his cell phone to call her daughter to see if she is ok. You will not see that on US television. The woman on trial in that Russian court was the co-pilot on the Ukrainian airforce jet that dropped the bombs on those civilians.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
3. Where are you getting that she was copilot?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:46 AM
Mar 2016

I did a search and it looks like she was fighting with ground forces as part of a volunteer militia.

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
5. She was an SU-24 co-pilot.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:04 AM
Mar 2016

From Wikipedia: Life and military career[edit]
Nadiya Savchenko and her younger sister Vira were born in Kyiv. Their father was an agricultural engineer, their mother a designer and cargo manager.[14] Her sister Vira said in an interview that she and her sister were brought up in a Ukrainian-speaking household and attending Ukrainian-language schools.[14]

At 16, Savchenko was already determined to become a pilot. She joined the Ukrainian Army, working as a radio operator with the country's railway forces before training as a paratrooper.[14] She was then the only Ukrainian female soldier in the (2004–2008) Ukrainian peacekeeping troops in Iraq. Upon returning, she successfully petitioned the Defense Ministry for the right to attend the prestigious Air Force University in Kharkiv, which until then had been open only to men; she graduated in 2009.[15]

In 2010, she was posted to the 3rd Army Aviation Regiment in Brody, Lviv Oblast. In 2011, the Ukraine Defense Forces published a 20-minute documentary about Savchenko and her military career.[16] She also featured in a United Nations Development Program as part of a drive to promote equality in the Ukrainian military.[17] In 2014, she volunteered as an instructor in the Aidar Battalion.[18]



I would also recommend you look up who the Aidar battalion are. They are Neo-Nazis that have killed thousands of ethnic Russian civilians in East Ukraine. Google is your friend in this regard. Plenty of video of them out there on You Tube committing atrocities against civilians.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
7. I'm not seeing it
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:30 AM
Mar 2016

The claim was that she was the co-pilot that blew off that poor woman's limbs, and as far as I can tell she was part of ground operations at the time with that militia rather than co-piloting a bomber in the airforce. That's what I'm confused about.

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
12. If you read Russian media they have it all over the place.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:02 PM
Mar 2016

Russian sites are banned here so I won't bother posting, but you can easily research it yourself through a number of Russian news portals. They are trying her for the murder of two journalists as well as other war crimes committed against civilans. From what I read she went back and forth with Aidar battalion between being an FO (forward Observer calling in airstrikes) and a co-pilot conducting the strikes themselves. Aidar battalion is a nasty group of Neo-Nazis that conducted a large part of the killings of the ethnic Russian population that make up the entirety of the victims. You Tube has plenty of video of them if you care to verify that they are Neo-Nazis who conduct murder of civilians.

I wouldn't rely on Wikipedia for accuracy these days, by the way. Its well known that the MIC has contractors editing it.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
20. typical RW Russian propaganda. tell us what you really think about Putin's fascist gov
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

we're waiting

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
6. Personally, I don't believe that Russia had anything to do with it.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:08 AM
Mar 2016

Judging from what we have seen out of Kiev, Ukraine in the past two years, I think there is very good reason to believe that one of their Neo-Nazi battalions did it as a false flag provocation. Like many aspects of that war, the truth about Ukraine has been covered up by the media. That is happening due to the huge geo-political stakes at play.


Not sure if you heard, but the Dutch Safety Board reported that Kiev never gave them any primary radar data and informed them that all 3 of their radar facilities were switched off under maintenance on that day. All 3 of them. At the same time MH-17 was shot down. That is highly suspect as they had continuous civilian air traffic flying overhead and a war was going on. Therefore, they must be obviously lying about all 3 radar facilities being offline. Now you tell me, why would they lie about that? The Dutch press are in an uproar about it, but it barely gets covered in the US media.

Check out Consortium News to learn the truth about whats going on with the MH17 investigation. Seems like a lot of things are out of the ordinary and unraveling. I assume thats why the frame ups has taken two years to accomplish. The victims families deserve true justice and the perpetrators deserve to be in jail for the rest of their lives.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/16/the-ever-curiouser-mh-17-case/

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
11. Lot's of wrong in your post...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

.....she is accused of being a artillery spotter for a mortar team, not flying anything.
She took leave of her Air Force job to join the irregular volunteers at the front.

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
13. That is incorrect. From what I read, they had a shortage of pilots so she was doing both.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

You may want to look up and read the Russian criminal indictment that THEY tried her on. Our media is fogging over what she did. She is a useful propaganda tool to keep sanctions in place, nothing more. From what I've seen of her behavior, she's a wicked woman who finds nothing wrong with her actions that led to so much death and misery.

She'll get no sympathy from me. Here's a link to a Yahoo/AFP article about the Aidar battalion. http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-soldiers-government-were-coming-next-155843129.html

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
14. "she's a wicked woman who finds nothing wrong with her actions"
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:10 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, defending her country from a Russian invasion, how evil of her! lol



Prosecutors say the 34-year-old guided a Ukrainian mortar strike which hit a Russian state TV crew in June 2014. She denies being involved, and her defense team say that phone records from the day of the strike prove her innocence.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31760381

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
17. I know BBC right. British State Propaganda channel that the British people are currently petitioning
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

to have the government defund. https://www.google.com/search?num=100&site=&source=hp&q=petition+against+the+BBC&oq=petition+against+the+BBC&gs_l=hp.3..0i22i30l3j0i22i10i30j0i22i30l2.1273.9705.0.10730.27.18.1.6.6.0.785.3636.0j1j3j2j0j2j1.9.0....0...1c.1.64.hp..11.15.3378.0.DimbQS0IxwM


Lets just wait and see how the war plays out and where the cards fall. The Ukrainian Right Sector battalions are still busy bombing civilians in the East who voted to secede. Hopefully they will stop soon as the war is obviously going nowhere and Ukraine is in financial dire starits. The IMF has even stopped their funding due to it looking like a black hole of oligarchical thieves.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. you allege that all sources which contradict your narrative are propaga
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

It's very New Thinking of you to allege that all sources which contradict your narrative are propaganda. Hence, you may understand the reticence to accept your allegations as de-factor reality.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
15. So Russia, a country supposedly not engaged in the war, convicted a soldier with murder
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

because she called in an indirect artillery strike on a military checkpoint that ended up killing two embedded journalists?

Does that mean that any military unit that has journalists near it cannot be attacked during times of war?

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
22. I don't know?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe we should ask Yemen, Libya, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Ukraine does border Russia by the way and all of the victims of the war are ethnic Russian civilians killed by Kiev's Right Sector battalions. Last I heard 1.5 million people fled to Russia for safety. That should tell you all you need to know. Refugees don't run towards danger, they run away from it.

Did you see this Harpers magazine article on her Aidar battalion commander Igor Kolomoisky who recently stole $1.8 billion in US taxpayer IMF funds and hid them in his private bank accounts in Cyprus? It didn't make a lot of news with the mainstream media but its well worth the read. This is why the IMF froze further funding. https://harpers.org/blog/2015/08/undelivered-goods/

Undelivered Goods


How $1.8 billion in aid to Ukraine was funneled to the outposts of the international finance galaxy

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