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Eugene

(61,903 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:32 PM Mar 2016

FBI Agrees to Unlock iPhone of Arkansas Teens in Murder Case

Source: Associated Press

The FBI has agreed to help an Arkansas prosecutor unlock an iPhone and iPod belonging to two teenagers accused of killing a couple.

Faulkner County Prosecuting Attorney Cody Hiland said Wednesday that the FBI agreed to the request from his office. The trial for 18-year-old Hunter Drexler was delayed Tuesday so prosecutors could ask for help.

Drexler is accused in the shooting deaths of Robert and Patricia Cogdell.

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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-agrees-unlock-iphone-arkansas-teens-murder-case-38041135



By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Mar 30, 2016, 6:08 PM ET
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FBI Agrees to Unlock iPhone of Arkansas Teens in Murder Case (Original Post) Eugene Mar 2016 OP
Tim Cook's words were so prophetic. Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2016 #1
Um, not quite William Seger Mar 2016 #6
I understand that..... Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2016 #12
There is no "master key" William Seger Mar 2016 #14
Some day that will be a 5th amendment violation. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #2
that day is today awake Mar 2016 #4
excitation ... lol saturnsring Mar 2016 #7
Damn auto correct awake Mar 2016 #8
Maybe criminals TeddyR Mar 2016 #3
I must have missed the trial and conviction. Bad reader at my age. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #5
.... 840high Mar 2016 #9
That's ok TeddyR Mar 2016 #10
Are they criminals or accused of criminal offenses? Throd Mar 2016 #17
Like the 5th and 4th amendments? TipTok Mar 2016 #19
I'm hoping the FBI unlocks Tim Cook's I-Phone Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #11
Why? Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2016 #13
Simply as a snarky response to him not helping gather evidence against murderers/terrorists Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #18
So you think they should commit multiple felonies to punish an innocent person Taitertots Mar 2016 #23
I found Apple's lack of cooperation in a murder investigation morally reprehensible Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #24
I find your support for prosecutorial misconduct reprehensible Taitertots Mar 2016 #26
Responsible citizens help sworn law enforcement with investigations Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #27
Responsible citizens don't advocate felonies to punish innocent people Taitertots Mar 2016 #28
No one here is innocent Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #29
Someone else did it. So it is possible in theory. Taitertots Mar 2016 #30
iPhones are no more sacrosanct than bank records, PC hard drives, address books, geek tragedy Mar 2016 #15
Agreed they have the right to try to hack into a phone with a warrant however they dont cstanleytech Mar 2016 #16
^^^^ THIS ^^^^ Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #20
I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. nt B2G Mar 2016 #21
frankly, I think the game the feds were playing against Apple was all bullshit. Javaman Mar 2016 #22
This is the way it should be. Kablooie Mar 2016 #25

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
6. Um, not quite
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

The FBI wanted Apple to crack Farook's phone; Apple refused; now the FBI has a way to crack ANY 5c iPhone.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
12. I understand that.....
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:12 PM
Mar 2016

But now that the FBI found a solution themselves, it provides them a "master key". Besides this article, Cook was more specific in an interview I saw. He expressed concern that if the Feds had that master key they would, despite promising to not to unlock any but the San Bernardino phone, use it on other iPhones. Beyond that, his largest concern was that any master key solution would not remain a secret and eventually be leaked compromising everyone's iPhone security.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
14. There is no "master key"
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

... and the warrant didn't depend on any "promise" to not unlock any other phone: It specifically said the hack would be coded to only run on Farook's phone. Cook's refusal actually brought about the situation he said he wanted to avoid: now the FBI can crack ANY 5C.

awake

(3,226 posts)
4. that day is today
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:54 PM
Mar 2016

Any info found can not be use in court because the phones owner had a reasonable expatiation that their info on their phone was secure and using that info would require the owner to in effect testify against themselves which is a 5th amendment violation.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
18. Simply as a snarky response to him not helping gather evidence against murderers/terrorists
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:25 PM
Mar 2016

It would send a message

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
23. So you think they should commit multiple felonies to punish an innocent person
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:52 AM
Mar 2016

The message you are trying to send is "ignore the laws and do what we say because we're despicable criminals"

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
24. I found Apple's lack of cooperation in a murder investigation morally reprehensible
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:27 PM
Mar 2016

Were I the AG, I'd have considered bringing Cook before a federal grand jury for obstruction of justice if I could make the case that Apple knew how to decrypt the phone.

Sorry - I have no sympathy for Apple and their so-called claims of privacy concerns and 100% sympathy for the FBI in this instance.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
26. I find your support for prosecutorial misconduct reprehensible
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:34 PM
Mar 2016

You just confirmed my original post that you support felonies to punish innocent people for refusing to do what you want.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
27. Responsible citizens help sworn law enforcement with investigations
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:48 PM
Mar 2016

14 people were murdered by people with known associates with known bad intent. Whether the associates were ISIS, Al Qaida, The Westies, The Gambino Family, or a Mexican Drug Cartel. Apple should have unlocked the phone if they had the ability.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
28. Responsible citizens don't advocate felonies to punish innocent people
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:18 PM
Mar 2016

As if their crime makes your crimes acceptable. Nope.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
29. No one here is innocent
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:10 PM
Mar 2016

IMO, if Tim Cook's company had the ability to decrypt the phone, and then refused to do so, he obstructed justice.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
30. Someone else did it. So it is possible in theory.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:39 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not a lawyer. But I don't think you understand the legal requirements for obstruction charges. As far as I can tell, the people whose legal opinion could result in charges think it wasn't obstruction.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. iPhones are no more sacrosanct than bank records, PC hard drives, address books,
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

email accounts, diaries, notebooks, and tape recordings.

with an appropriate warrant, the government has as much right to hack into an iPhone as it does to break the lock on a storage unit

cstanleytech

(26,299 posts)
16. Agreed they have the right to try to hack into a phone with a warrant however they dont
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

have the right to compel a company like Apple to help them do it or to provide them a method to do it.

Javaman

(62,531 posts)
22. frankly, I think the game the feds were playing against Apple was all bullshit.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:23 AM
Mar 2016

knowing what I know from a number of tech people that I stay in contact with, the feds knew all along how to crack the phone. it wasn't anything new, they wanted to spank down Apple for two reasons, 1) they are getting too big and too powerful (don't get me wrong, I love apple products, but I also believe that there maybe anti-trust issues with them) 2) The feds are trying to exercise their power over corporations. (I think they tried but realized they were biting off more than they could chew...at this time). 3) they publicly say, "we don't need apple, we cracked their phone, so there! Naaa! >sticks out tongue< (childish yes, but effective at showing the American public, that "we feds own you, you can't hide a damn thing from us". governmental cheerleaders love this, people who abide by the slowly decaying Constitution, hate this).

this wasn't a game of chicken a some in the press had enjoy portraying this, this was nothing more than a bait and switch to sucker punch Apple and to "hopefully" take them down a notch.

that really didn't seem to work economically-wise for apple, but the public now has the seed of doubt in their minds about their iphones (this is the fed long game) but sadly, people in general seem to miss the gigantic picture before their very eyes: the government can unlock and peek at anything you are doing...without a warrant or court order. buy hey, that's old school constitutional law, who needs that crap, right?

we are a sad people.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
25. This is the way it should be.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:29 PM
Mar 2016

Tim Cook was not fighting to prevent the government any access to private data under warrant.
He was fighting against the government compelling a company to create breach it's own security.
Apple has, in the past, released private data they had access to when the government has provided a valid warrant.

If they were compelled to create back-door access for the government, that back-door, once unmasked, would allow bad actors from any nationality to break into private phones all over the world.
Hacking is so pervasive today, much of it controlled by national governments, it's naive to think that a secret back-door will always remain secret.

The current situation allows Apple find the weakness and patch it for the future.
The flaw will be available to bad actors, and the government, for only a limited time instead of being available in perpetuity.

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