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Judi Lynn

(160,649 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:47 AM Apr 2016

Brazilians march to support Rousseff against 'coup'

Source: Agence France-Presse

Brazilians march to support Rousseff against 'coup'

By Eugenia Logiuratto (AFP) 7 hours ago in Politics .

Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff's fight against impeachment gathered speed when tens of thousands of people marched nationwide to oppose what they said was a "coup."

The rallies late Thursday were part of a concerted attempt by Rousseff to turn the tide ahead of an impeachment vote over her alleged manipulation of government accounts to disguise the depth of Brazil's recession during her 2014 reelection. Further boosting Rousseff, her chief ally in the spiraling political crisis -- fiery ex-president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva -- won a major court battle that removes him from the jurisdiction of a crusading anti-corruption judge.

The peaceful demonstrators, many waving the red flags of Rousseff's Workers' Party, gathered in 31 cities, including Brasilia, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo and northern centers like Recife.

The Globo news site quoted police estimates for total turnout at more than 110,000, while organizers claimed nearly 600,000. At one of the larger rallies, in Brasilia, police told AFP that at least 25,000 to 30,000 people marched.

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MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. There are probably many, MANY more people who want her impeached.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:28 AM
Apr 2016

This is a last ditch effort; an "I am not a crook" attempt. I think she'd probably best have a bag packed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/29/brazil-president-dilma-rousseff-closer-impeachment-coalition-partner-quits

President Dilma Rousseff’s hopes of seeing out her term of office have received a potentially fatal blow after the biggest party in the Brazilian congress voted to abandon her ruling coalition.

The vote by the Brazilian Democratic Movement party (or PMDB) could trigger a defection from Rousseff’s coalition by other smaller parties, and greatly increase the prospect that she will lose an impeachment vote in the lower house next month and be suspended from office.

To cries of “Workers party out!” and “Onward Brazil!”, PMDB leaders announced their decision to break up the coalition.

“We’re going to try to change the country. The economic and social crisis is very serious,” senator Romero Juca, the PMDB’s first vice-president, told a party meeting in the capital Brasilia.

Rousseff now leads a fragile minority government. Senior officials in the governing Workers party insist the president can still be saved from what they say is a coup attempt against an elected leader who still has more than half of her four-year mandate to serve....But government efforts to shore up support look increasingly desperate after the PMDB – which has 68 of the 513 seats in the lower house – decided to leave an alliance that has propped up the government for more than 13 years.

meow2u3

(24,774 posts)
2. Brazil has a notorious macho culture that cannot stomach female power
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:48 AM
Apr 2016

I disagree with you on this comparison with Nixon. Rousseff's opponents are either RWNJs or "centrist" much like the repukes and Turd Way "Dems" here in the States, and RWNJs anywhere in the world don't take kindly to taking direction from powerful women.

I think Rousseff is more like Pennsylvania's AG Kathleen Kane, who I believe is being framed on perjury charges for bringing down the Old Boys' Network by exposing the porn emails that caused 2 PASC justices to resign.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. My reference was more to the force of the sentiment than the political lean of the interested
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:03 AM
Apr 2016

parties.

The bulk of the nation wants to throw her out on her ear--even her old allies. Her shit DOES stink.

I'm not talking left/right here--I'm talking ire, hatred, dislike, "Get away from me, you're toxic...." -- that kind of thing.

I don't think she's being framed, though. I think she's suffering from .... "irregularities."

Ha--the New Yorker beat me to it....and I didn't see this when I typed the comment, above:


http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/brazils-unfolding-crisis


Richard Nixon was reëlected overwhelmingly in November, 1972, and resigned in August, 1974. Dilma Rousseff, the President of Brazil, looks to be on about the same schedule: reëlected (not overwhelmingly) in October, 2014, and in such deep peril a year and a half later that it seems unlikely that she will finish her term. This week, the largest party in her governing coalition, the Partido do Movimento Democrático Brasileiro, or Democratic Movement Party, voted to leave the government, which is the most severe in what must seem to her a never-ending series of blows.

The obvious cause of Nixon’s downfall was Watergate, and the obvious cause of Rousseff’s is the Lava Jato scandal. In both cases, the name may be mysterious to outsiders. Lava jato means car wash and refers to a penny-ante roadside money-laundering operation in Brasília that, when exposed, provided the first peek at what turned out to be an almost all-encompassing system of corruption. The chief government prosecutor, a youngish judge named Sérgio Moro, from a provincial city in southern Brazil, is now investigating such economic behemoths as Petrobras, the state oil company, and the construction industry, which has been especially busy in the run-up to the 2016 Summer Olympics, in Rio de Janeiro. Every day seems to bring news of another high official under investigation, another corrupt arrangement uncovered, another grant of immunity in exchange for information.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
4. Count on the British, the Americans
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:19 AM
Apr 2016

and the other Western countries to support the right-wing contingent in Latin America.

Having any left-leaning government in charge is a threat to corporate profits and the US is busy trying to reclaim its "backyard" from its leftward tilt.

Democrats and Republicans are both united in undermining democracy in Latin America, and it's a shame that many Democrats think this is fine.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. No, no, no, no, no. This is a LOCAL problem, and it's all down to CORRUPTION.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:27 AM
Apr 2016

Not everything is a "Waaah, they're taking the power away from the peeeeee-pul" excercise.

This is corruption and mismanagement that is VIRULENT. It's a mess down there.

And what brought it home to roost? The collapse of those GW Bush high oil prices. When there was oil money all over the place, it was easier to rob the place blind. Now that they are forced to make economies, the corruption is sticking out like a sore thumb.

This is not about "undermining democracy." It's about fucking THIEVES getting caught with their paw in the till.

smh!
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/brazils-unfolding-crisis


Even by Brazilian standards, though, things seem to have gotten out of hand over the last few years. For example, the prosecutors recently charged João Santana, one of Rousseff’s political consultants and therefore only a second-order political figure, with receiving $7.5 million in funds siphoned from bribes that big companies paid the government in exchange for contracts. There are now almost two dozen separate investigations under way under the broad rubric of the Lava Jato scandal.

It seems unlikely that the driving force in the mega-corruption was personal greed on the part of the rather austere President. Instead, it was probably a combination of the party-time atmosphere produced by the economic boom of the aughts—in particular, high oil prices and the prospect of the Olympics—and Rousseff’s political ineptitude. Lacking the charm and cunning of her predecessor and mentor, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Rousseff seems to have been more reliant on unsubtle means of maintaining a hold on power. In particular, as a far more intellectually consistent leftist than Lula, Rousseff lacks his uncanny instinct for finding a mix of policies that at once reassure economic élites and deliver for an overwhelmingly poor political base. Rousseff’s attempt to bring Lula back into politics as her chief of staff seems to have had two purposes: to immunize him from prosecution, and to enlist him as anti-impeachment lobbyist-in-chief, a role to which he is naturally suited. As of now, a judicial injunction prevents Lula’s appointment from going forward, and that only increases the likelihood of Rousseff’s government collapsing.

The revolt against Rousseff is a middle-class one, in a country that is not yet essentially middle class in the manner of the United States. Like everything that happens in politics, it’s about power and policy, as well as corruption. Brazil’s abrupt shift from prosperity to recession, caused in part by the dramatic fall in oil prices, has made it impossible for investors and politicians to continue to get simultaneous spectacular economic returns. Now they are competitors, and the unlikely consensus over which Lula presided, in which former revolutionaries and bankers appeared to coexist happily within a government ruled by an organization called the Workers’ Party, is gone.

The real losers in the reshaping of Brazilian politics that is to come won’t only be corrupt politicians. The tens of millions of beneficiaries of the generously funded core social programs of the Lula-Rousseff years, Bolsa Família (cash grants to families) and Minha Casa Minha Vida (public housing), are at risk, too. These programs are the heart of the social compact in Brazil, in the way that Social Security and Medicare are here. It will be a tragedy if, in the mad scramble to assemble a new ruling coalition that will almost certainly be more business-friendly, their constituency gets left behind.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
7. I don't think you really have a good
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:26 PM
Apr 2016

grasp of American history in Latin America or the things we do to support business profits abroad if you think this is completely about internal corruption.

Sure, there is corruption among both the political left and right in Brazil, but the ultimate goal is not to prosecute corrupt officials, but to remove them from power so that the country's oligarchic structure (pro-business, pro-American) can be resurrected.

We also want to make sure Lula is not able to run for re-election - he was a little too people-centered for American tastes.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. Don't make this about ME. Look, we haven't been saints in South and Central America...BUT...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:32 PM
Apr 2016
This has NOTHING to do with US.

This is local corruption, made obvious by a drop in gas prices. That extra two bucks a gallon none of us are paying these days is making it harder on petroleum producers, to include PETROBRAS.

Dilma doesn't know how to keep factions in line--and that's HER FAILURE. She can't control her people, she can't keep her allies allied with her, she can't even move in a politically astute way to protect her flank.

That''s down to poor political maneuvering, naivete, lousy advisors, etc.... not US interference.

She owns this. Why? Because she's in charge.

It sucks to be her. She's not corrupt, but she's also not a leader.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,374 posts)
6. That's a LOT of marchers! Wait ...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:06 PM
Apr 2016

how many is a Brazillion?


Some dumb jokes should be immortalized in the G.W.Bush Presidential Libary.

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