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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:01 PM Apr 2016

In Wisconsin, Clinton says Sanders is a Democrat-come-lately Clinton calls herself 'a proud Democrat

Source: WAPT

Hillary Clinton wants voters in Wisconsin to know that she has been a Democrat for much of her adult life. Why? Bernie Sanders hasn't been.

Clinton said her near-lifelong membership to the Democratic Party was "important" in the nomination contest while campaigning here on Saturday, two days ahead of Wisconsin's Democratic primary.

"I am also a Democrat and have been a proud Democrat all my adult life," Clinton said. "And I think that is kind of important if we are selecting someone to be the Democratic nominee of the Democratic Party."

Clinton grew up in a Republican household and was briefly a Republican when she went to Wellesley College in 1965. Shortly after arriving on campus, however, Clinton grew more liberal and has been a member of the Democratic Party since her graduation in 1969.

Read more: http://www.wapt.com/politics/in-wisconsin-clinton-says-sanders-is-a-democratcomelately/38837280

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In Wisconsin, Clinton says Sanders is a Democrat-come-lately Clinton calls herself 'a proud Democrat (Original Post) SecularMotion Apr 2016 OP
Pride goeth before the fall. dchill Apr 2016 #1
So, when people realize St Bernie is really a saint - not by a long shot? baldguy Apr 2016 #19
Good job proving your point with facts... really counters the facts everyone related about Hillary. revbones Apr 2016 #32
Did you intend for your post to make no sense? if so, well done, you achieved your goal perfectly. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #155
LOL riversedge Apr 2016 #210
And what do you think IS the story on the taxes? JoFerret Apr 2016 #242
Hopefully soon. Liberal_in_LA Apr 2016 #249
I was just contemplating saying that exact thing! thereismore Apr 2016 #57
Great minds... dchill Apr 2016 #61
proud Goldwater girl. her words roguevalley Apr 2016 #78
Well, whatever she is, on any given day... dchill Apr 2016 #81
Well said. zentrum Apr 2016 #100
She is proud to be humble n/t Roy Rolling Apr 2016 #129
Oh lord it's hard to be humble ... dchill Apr 2016 #134
That tune immediately... ReRe Apr 2016 #197
Versus a proud follower of the homophobe Che Guevara Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #99
link would be nice roguevalley Apr 2016 #104
That's rich Cheap_Trick Apr 2016 #157
Hillary represents exactly the type of corporate Democrats that are screwing us over. LS_Editor Apr 2016 #161
Corporate Democrats meme is fucking stupid Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #190
So all those corporations were for gay marriage before Hillary finally tagged along? JDPriestly Apr 2016 #194
The argument you just made is inane. LS_Editor Apr 2016 #217
corporations sometimes do moral things when it is their interests. That doesn't mean we yurbud Apr 2016 #229
lol. Mary Mac Apr 2016 #111
As a teenager! Geez - give it a rest JoFerret Apr 2016 #243
Delegates amass before the win. stopbush Apr 2016 #159
Well, she lost a few tonight in NV dchill Apr 2016 #186
Great democratic way to go! JoFerret Apr 2016 #244
That will convince the independents who vote Tuesday. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #2
... Kittycat Apr 2016 #9
I struggle to think of any open-minded person it would work on? JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #164
I have 153 million reasons not to believe Clinton. ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #3
... 840high Apr 2016 #67
Nor when she was being mentored by Henry Kissinger! raindaddy Apr 2016 #133
We may never know tabasco Apr 2016 #221
Ha!! :-D (You'll have to do better than that! Time's running out. Tick-tock!) NurseJackie Apr 2016 #255
better get a nurse, Jackie ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #258
Ha! I see what you did there ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #259
a nurse won't help you Jackie, ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #260
Says the Progressive-come-lately. dogman Apr 2016 #4
+10 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #147
+20 sakabatou Apr 2016 #246
+30 Earth_First May 2016 #270
umm, except when she was a Goldwater girl greymouse Apr 2016 #5
She became a Democrat in 1968. iandhr Apr 2016 #6
and? Who mentioned Warren in this thread? nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #20
One poster thought it was necessary to mention Hillary was a Republican in 1964... iandhr Apr 2016 #35
At least Warren stands for Democratic values. Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #48
So does Hillary. iandhr Apr 2016 #69
I don't care what you call yourself if you get the policy right and he always has. her ... not so mu roguevalley Apr 2016 #80
Really? iandhr Apr 2016 #88
Can you say Omnibus Wibly Apr 2016 #138
+1 Duval Apr 2016 #240
Democratic Values are not measured in $US Scootaloo Apr 2016 #156
So... just which side are you arguing for? A Simple Game Apr 2016 #206
And I missed the video of Warren claiming to be a life long democrat. n/t CincyDem Apr 2016 #29
If you actually bothered to read the article she used the phrase "a proud Democrat all my adult life iandhr Apr 2016 #38
I'm not Plucketeer Apr 2016 #83
She was 16 when, influenced by her Republican father, she was a "Goldwater Girl." SunSeeker Apr 2016 #127
so you are saying that at the age of 16 she was to stupid to know any better? nt Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2016 #158
No. She was a child who loved her father, who like MLK Sr, was a Republican. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #183
This seems more of the "make him un-american" mode of campaign mud from Clinton's side... FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #7
Sorry, Hillary, Bernie is more of a Democrat than you'll ever be. EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #8
For the last six months? liberal N proud Apr 2016 #11
Democratic values are more valuable than labels. dchill Apr 2016 #70
Democrats don't conflate public business with private money. That's what Repubs do. ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #153
^^THIS^^ CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #96
Lol JoFerret Apr 2016 #245
He is a Democrat only when he needs to be a Democrat liberal N proud Apr 2016 #10
Bashing Democrats? That means doing that is wrong? Lieberman, The Nelson Boys and Zell Miller Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #51
Lieberman LOL liberal N proud Apr 2016 #110
DWS supportiing Republicans over Democrats? Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #119
So Bernie's now a "New Deal Democrat" - that's freaking rich! Native Apr 2016 #267
Sorry but 'I was a Democrat for longer than he was' has a wiff of desperation about it, no? FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #12
kittens!!! your lucky hands? roguevalley Apr 2016 #82
Alas not this time. But I've been uncle to many generations of little mewers in the past. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #205
Yes, that is true. love kittens bty riversedge Apr 2016 #209
It may be for some few here, but for most, it really is not FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #231
Bernie Sanders. Proud Democrat since 2015. beastie boy Apr 2016 #13
and a far better Democrat then hillary will ever be...... bowens43 Apr 2016 #16
For the whole of nine months! beastie boy Apr 2016 #30
Wow, do you people TM99 Apr 2016 #60
And he did all that while proudly calling himself an Independent. beastie boy Apr 2016 #87
I would rather have an independent who ACTS like a Democrat EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #107
Nice Bern BBG Apr 2016 #149
Good Comment But Hillary Doesn't Act Like A Republican scottie55 Apr 2016 #168
Iraq War Vote. Takes money from any corporate source. Flipped on same-sex marriage. KeepItReal Apr 2016 #198
Clarification EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #201
"Less malevolent than a republican!" tabasco Apr 2016 #222
I would rather have an independent call himself independent beastie boy Apr 2016 #223
Personal convenience? EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #224
I am saying the system is rigged beastie boy Apr 2016 #233
He is running with the blessing of the TM99 Apr 2016 #141
Oh I get it, DNC was very accommodating to Bernie beastie boy Apr 2016 #169
Permission not granted TM99 Apr 2016 #192
Bernie's statement is right there at the link. It is very real. Was it erroneous? beastie boy Apr 2016 #219
Or when HRC moves to New York State to get elected to a safe seat. GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #227
That too. beastie boy Apr 2016 #232
The Hillary Way: PARTY OVER PRINCIPLE. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #137
and a real Democrat all through the Bill Clinton years and longer nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #22
He didn't think he was beastie boy Apr 2016 #28
Still a real Democrat more than Her nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #33
Depends of your definition of a Democrat beastie boy Apr 2016 #53
Are you noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #65
No, but when I am voting for a non-Democrat, I don't pretendI am voting for one. beastie boy Apr 2016 #76
policy not cards defines you but if this your best talking point I'll take it. roguevalley Apr 2016 #85
So you do vote labels? noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #90
No, but Bernie sure runs on labels. beastie boy Apr 2016 #118
Wow noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #130
It's me and more than 2.5 million Democrats beastie boy Apr 2016 #139
LOL noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #145
Oh please, please tell me Bernie is ahead in popular vote because... conservative site! beastie boy Apr 2016 #162
Stick with the Same Subject noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #172
Huh? beastie boy Apr 2016 #184
LOL noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #187
You must have missed 139. And your response 145 beastie boy Apr 2016 #216
LOL noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #234
You should really make some effort to expand your vocabulary. And LOL is not an argument beastie boy Apr 2016 #235
I'm not ashamed of my self imposed label that I often wear since becoming a Democrat A Simple Game Apr 2016 #208
You want her to use your self-imposed label standards? beastie boy Apr 2016 #218
I hope the Clinton's don't know of my existence, probably safer that way. As for terminology? A Simple Game Apr 2016 #251
"DINO from the left"? First time i hear of it. beastie boy Apr 2016 #253
What would be hypocritical of me would be to remain in the party I left because they A Simple Game Apr 2016 #254
I didn't meam you beastie boy Apr 2016 #257
Wow you said I wasn't a Democrat! Must be you looked up what it meant to be a DINO. A Simple Game Apr 2016 #263
Wasn't it you who said you are joining in and out of the Democratic party beastie boy Apr 2016 #264
I most definitely am joining in and out of the Democratic party depending upon A Simple Game Apr 2016 #265
And only out of necessity liberal N proud Apr 2016 #26
Proud Progressive all his life. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #140
Proudly switching his party affiliation for his convenience. beastie boy Apr 2016 #165
Probably Too Many Democrats Made His Stomach Turn scottie55 Apr 2016 #171
If that is the case, he is running as a Democrat...why? beastie boy Apr 2016 #180
Switching his party affiliation because our system makes running 3rd Party counterproductive. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #238
All I hear from you progressives is how you are not going to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee beastie boy Apr 2016 #248
blah blah blah blah..... bowens43 Apr 2016 #14
The question is not is he a Democrat... onehandle Apr 2016 #15
if hillary manages to worm her way into the nomination bowens43 Apr 2016 #24
I wouldn't hold my breath beastie boy Apr 2016 #39
gonna be some changes made after this convention is tied up Cryptoad Apr 2016 #17
To win an election Wibly Apr 2016 #36
Stupidest post of the day.... freebrew Apr 2016 #230
Sanders was never a republican SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #18
Sanders certainly gets a lot of help from Republicans. baldguy Apr 2016 #25
I'm going to ask you a question and please answer it honestly to yourself. RichVRichV Apr 2016 #49
The Republicans want to help the weaker Dem candidate. baldguy Apr 2016 #68
It couldn't be they're already setting up their line of attacks for the person RichVRichV Apr 2016 #84
You think the RW propaganda machine can't alter their strategy if it's in their best interest? baldguy Apr 2016 #103
How is he letting the GOP set the tone of his campaign? RichVRichV Apr 2016 #112
How did Paul Krugman put it? baldguy Apr 2016 #120
Screw Paul Krugman scottie55 Apr 2016 #173
not among the pugs I know and they are many. he's the least hateful choice between hrc and trump. roguevalley Apr 2016 #89
So, among your Republicans it's :1) Trump, 2) Sanders, and 3) Clinton. baldguy Apr 2016 #116
It's disgusting to watch. grossproffit Apr 2016 #92
Prove it. RichVRichV Apr 2016 #113
That's Why No One Goes To His Rallys - He's Like Mondale scottie55 Apr 2016 #174
Nor was he ever a Democrat. beastie boy Apr 2016 #41
then she should act like it - lol SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #43
She? I am talking about Bernie! beastie boy Apr 2016 #55
Bernie, who caucuses w/Dems longer than HRC was ever in office Kittycat Apr 2016 #160
You are free to take your chances with Bernie. beastie boy Apr 2016 #178
Enjoy war and more economic decline, unless you're a 1% Kittycat Apr 2016 #193
A proud Democrat her whole adult life?? Herman4747 Apr 2016 #21
Then she must be around... 30? nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #23
The only time she looks genuinely happy is with this man. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #101
She wonders why Wibly Apr 2016 #27
Some Of Us Are Truly Sick Of Her Crap scottie55 Apr 2016 #175
Dip Dip Dip Dip.......... Pharaoh Apr 2016 #31
"He's not one of us" is the subtext there. TDale313 Apr 2016 #34
Reminds me of "I will never, ever support a Democrat in the General, beastie boy Apr 2016 #44
That's what got me banned Roy Rolling Apr 2016 #58
bernie is finished. As is the GOPTeaparty misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #37
he just won Nevada and leads Wisconsin. roguevalley Apr 2016 #91
Meh.. misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #95
you too. you might need it more than me. take care out there roguevalley Apr 2016 #106
Well lets just hope its the Republicans who will fall short of luck in Nov 2016 misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #117
No he didn't. Lucinda Apr 2016 #131
And this is why Bernie is losing and will ultimatly be defeated. baldguy Apr 2016 #200
Bernie's supporters have told us, HIllary had stop campaigning in Wisconsin. itsrobert Apr 2016 #40
You get your news from "supporters" telling you? Roy Rolling Apr 2016 #128
Go Team Democrat! Rah! Rah! Rah! OnyxCollie Apr 2016 #42
That's what she's going with? revbones Apr 2016 #45
As a johny-come-lately Democrat, what are Bernie's accomplishments since he became one? beastie boy Apr 2016 #63
I'm more concerned about all his policies and accomplishments revbones Apr 2016 #86
Then don't tell me you support Democrats beastie boy Apr 2016 #98
So you only support them because of the "D" and don't care about policies or accomplishments? revbones Apr 2016 #108
I am supporting Hillary PRECISELY because of her record of accomplishments, beastie boy Apr 2016 #121
ROFL Too funny revbones Apr 2016 #126
Bernie has a record of running a provincial town. Hillary has a record of running the country. beastie boy Apr 2016 #132
OMG you really said that? revbones Apr 2016 #135
In case you forgot, she was the Secretary of State of the United States of America beastie boy Apr 2016 #148
So you're really arguing that being SoS justifies saying she ran the country??? revbones Apr 2016 #150
It certainly justifies citing it as Hillary's national level executive experience beastie boy Apr 2016 #176
Doubling down further? revbones Apr 2016 #179
Ok, let me ask you this: can you comprehend the difference between giving orders and running things? beastie boy Apr 2016 #185
Such obfuscation... revbones Apr 2016 #189
he's beating the 'dem' in her own party roguevalley Apr 2016 #93
He is definitely not. beastie boy Apr 2016 #105
Apparently not. Not In the REAL world, that is. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #115
So you only care about party labels and not issues, got it. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #142
No, you ain't got it. beastie boy Apr 2016 #163
But Changing Their Positions Doesn't Bother You? scottie55 Apr 2016 #177
Hill! A TRUE Third Way, Elite, Entrenched Democrat! SoapBox Apr 2016 #46
He has done more work for and caucused with the Dems much longer than she has Dragonfli Apr 2016 #47
DU needs a LBN-P forum. PSPS Apr 2016 #50
Just because she had a D after her name Politicalboi Apr 2016 #52
.+1 840high Apr 2016 #75
Thank you, SM! Cha Apr 2016 #54
In Wisconsin we don't register by party. postulater Apr 2016 #56
you have a lot on common with Bernie beastie boy Apr 2016 #72
And I voted early. postulater Apr 2016 #109
Well, she can call herself anything she wants but that doesn't make it so. haikugal Apr 2016 #59
obviously not 'LATE BREAKING' but we'll see if this gets locked tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #62
Goldwater - you forgot Hillary? 840high Apr 2016 #64
K & R SunSeeker Apr 2016 #66
Translated Geronimoe Apr 2016 #71
yep 840high Apr 2016 #77
Hillary is a proud whatever sounds good at the moment. fbc Apr 2016 #73
Hillary should change her tone Red Oak Apr 2016 #74
wah, we dumped 11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats MisterP Apr 2016 #79
Fair statement Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #94
Bernie can truthfully say he was never a Republican karynnj Apr 2016 #97
So much for the big tent Kalidurga Apr 2016 #102
Nobody clapped when she said that. jillan Apr 2016 #114
Not true! Geuricol Apr 2016 #214
She's a democrat being investigated by the FBI. Democrats azmom Apr 2016 #122
Shame on you for repeating Republican lies. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #195
Now she knows how I felt when the Clintons came along and took over my party. Bernie's just silvershadow Apr 2016 #123
Great Comment scottie55 Apr 2016 #181
Indeed. nt silvershadow May 2016 #268
Hillary has worked a long time to get to this point gg4usa Apr 2016 #124
Just hoping it sticks SHRED Apr 2016 #125
Sanders is a real Democrat, Hillary is a Republican pretending to be a Democrat. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #136
Hillary Is Not A Republican scottie55 Apr 2016 #182
Once more the "Damn immigrants are taking our jobs" meme. Half-Century Man Apr 2016 #143
Gee... Kall Apr 2016 #144
I have a (D) and I am female! Don't look at my record!! n/t Hydra Apr 2016 #146
Aren't you precious. shenmue Apr 2016 #151
The hat looks good on you :) Hydra Apr 2016 #152
Y'know, I quit GD:P. Now I find it in LBN and Videos. Gahdammit. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #154
Says the one who was a republican at one point n/t Bassomar Apr 2016 #166
It's Corporate Democrats Like Hillary scottie55 Apr 2016 #167
Hillary....a progressive come fakely.... mudstump Apr 2016 #170
She is the poster girl for everything that is wrong with the Democratic Party. Indepatriot Apr 2016 #188
kicked and recommended! Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #191
A Democrat that is pro-war, pro-free trade, and pro wall-street davidpdx Apr 2016 #196
A former Goldwater girl should not disparage someone emulating FDR. Vinca Apr 2016 #199
Sanders Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum comments pester me Gothmog Apr 2016 #202
K&R NurseJackie Apr 2016 #203
Actions speak louder than words, louder than party affiliation.. Bernie has always been there, in secondwind Apr 2016 #204
While HRC was supporting Goldwater and voting for the Iraq war. GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #226
HRC is to Bernie Sanders as Hugh Gaitskill was to Nye Bevan. GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #207
Proud of her support for the Iraq War? left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #211
Thankfully she didnt self congratulate herself on being a Progressive Democrat... nt Earth_First Apr 2016 #212
Talk is cheap... ConsiderThis_2016 Apr 2016 #213
She's a proud neocon Goldwater girl nt LiberalElite Apr 2016 #215
It doesn't matter what you label yourself. tabasco Apr 2016 #220
Aside from the 2016 presidential election when did Bernie ever run as a Democrat? mulsh Apr 2016 #225
A lot of mafia bosses and drug lords are lifelong Catholics, but a recent convert may have been yurbud Apr 2016 #228
Clinton is not a traditional Democrat but a "new" Democrat! Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #236
I there was an awakening in her college Republican days... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #237
k LAS14 Apr 2016 #239
Hillary is right on that and good for her for pointing it out JoFerret Apr 2016 #241
Well said Hillary riversedge Apr 2016 #247
Former Goldwater girl and current Rockefeller Republican says, "Sanders mhatrw Apr 2016 #250
Oh, pish tosh, hardly true. liberalhistorian Apr 2016 #252
At least cannabis_flower Apr 2016 #256
i have never before read such a full-on embrace of the "No True Scotsman" argument at DU 0rganism Apr 2016 #261
She worked on a GOP campaign at the same time as she worked on a Democratic one Baobab Apr 2016 #262
as Inigo said in THE PRINCESS BRIDE... yurbud Apr 2016 #266
LOL! From Miss Goldwater Girl greymouse May 2016 #269
 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
32. Good job proving your point with facts... really counters the facts everyone related about Hillary.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:29 PM
Apr 2016
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
155. Did you intend for your post to make no sense? if so, well done, you achieved your goal perfectly.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:40 AM
Apr 2016

JoFerret

(10,704 posts)
242. And what do you think IS the story on the taxes?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think that he is hiding away millions but how complex can they be?

Why is he allowing this self-inflicted wound to fester. It's a distraction.

 

Cheap_Trick

(3,918 posts)
157. That's rich
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:43 AM
Apr 2016

considering $Hillary was against marriage equality until a couple years ago. Nice try, but no cigar. We know what Billy boy would do with it....

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
161. Hillary represents exactly the type of corporate Democrats that are screwing us over.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

Fuck the weakest members of society. Fuck the people who are descending into poverty. Where's my reward for doing the bidding of my corporate owners?

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,103 posts)
190. Corporate Democrats meme is fucking stupid
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:56 AM
Apr 2016

Did you know that corporations persuaded Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal to veto a bill that would have legalized discrimination against gay people, responding to an outcry from corporate interests including Coca-Cola, Home Depot, UPS, Walt Disney, Delta, Time Warner, Comcast, Netflix, Apple and the National Football League?

Did you know that corporations like Microsoft, Verizon, AT&T, & Starbucks offered benefits to the partners of gay people in the early 1990s way before the public at large was willing to? You probably didn't.

Please refrain from the canned Bernie Sanders retorts.

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
217. The argument you just made is inane.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Let's break it down...

Here's a whole two examples in two decades of where corporate greed actually helped people, which somehow invalidates your argument that Hillary Clinton is a corporate shill.

And my conclusion for you...

Please refrain from bastardized reasoning, if possible. Maybe also be a little bit more respectful, too. A lesser person than I would flag your post.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
229. corporations sometimes do moral things when it is their interests. That doesn't mean we
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:48 AM
Apr 2016

should let them own our politicians and decide every major policy.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
159. Delegates amass before the win.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary is amassing delegates, and she will be the nominee.

Bernie has already lost, whether people admit it or not.

JoFerret

(10,704 posts)
244. Great democratic way to go!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

Deprive those who actually voted of their representation. Way to go!
And time for be done with all those caucuses anyway.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
164. I struggle to think of any open-minded person it would work on?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:52 AM
Apr 2016

Does the Democratic party as an institution really mean something to people?

ish of the hammer

(444 posts)
3. I have 153 million reasons not to believe Clinton.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

was Clinton speaking as a Democrat when she got paid for speaking to Goldman Sachs?

ish of the hammer

(444 posts)
260. a nurse won't help you Jackie,
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

rising seas and climate refugees will wipe the smirk from your face.
I hope you have lots of children, maybe one of them might survive.
and no, Sanders will only slow it up, but your abuela is no better than the repubs.
you can buy a lot of comfort with 153 million dollars at the fin de siecle.
enjoy your laughter while you can.

greymouse

(872 posts)
5. umm, except when she was a Goldwater girl
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

Can't be anything but deceptive, doesn't know how to be honest, it seems.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
6. She became a Democrat in 1968.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:10 PM
Apr 2016

I would remind you that Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until 1996.




iandhr

(6,852 posts)
35. One poster thought it was necessary to mention Hillary was a Republican in 1964...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

... as evidence that she is not a "real Democrat"



I am using the fact that Warren was a Republican until 1996 to show how silly that argument is.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
48. At least Warren stands for Democratic values.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:41 PM
Apr 2016

DOMA, DADT, Wal-mart, Iraq War, supports private prisons, crime bill that militarized the police, her attempted poliitical rehabilitation of Nancy Reagan and Kissinger. . .Bernie is more of a Democrat than Camp WEathervane's leader is.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
69. So does Hillary.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

If no politician or ordinary citizen evolved on issues society would never make progress.

She supports marriage equally and supported repealing DADT. She support criminal justice reforms. On the subject of the crime bill it was supported by many African-American community organizations. On the subject of Nancy Reagan while her comments about HIV were misguided she was probably thinking about not kicking dirt on a dead person grave.


And when you say "At least Warren stands for Democratic values." There were probably times when she didn't if she only left the GOP in 1996.

And no Bernie is not more of a Democrat. He voted against immigration reform. He voted support the Minuteman militia.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/03/10/hillary-clinton-was-right-about-bernie-sanders-minuteman-militia-vote-but-sanders-now-denies-intent/O69kcEQSuHpueuVCsxXO4L/story.html

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
80. I don't care what you call yourself if you get the policy right and he always has. her ... not so mu
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:06 PM
Apr 2016

Wibly

(613 posts)
138. Can you say Omnibus
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:01 AM
Apr 2016

Tell us please, what other measures were in those Bills?
You are parsing huge omnibus bills and pretending they were individual bills, which is not quite honest. You are also failing to mention what Clinton's stand on those bills was.
In at least once case, you are damning Sanders for voting the same way Clinton did.
And the Clinton campaign wonders why they get compared to the GOP. Why not? They act just like them.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
206. So... just which side are you arguing for?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:42 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary is the one that brought up the length of service to the party not Bernie supporters.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
38. If you actually bothered to read the article she used the phrase "a proud Democrat all my adult life
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:33 PM
Apr 2016

I am willing to forgive her youthful transgressions

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
83. I'm not
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:08 PM
Apr 2016

A lie is a lie. Or do you have a different definition? What about her ducking for cover in Bosnia? What sorta youthful transgression was that?

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
127. She was 16 when, influenced by her Republican father, she was a "Goldwater Girl."
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:47 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:42 AM - Edit history (1)

She never voted for Goldwater. She was not old enough to vote. When she was old enough to vote, she campaigned and voted for the Democratic presidential nominee, McGovern.

That is why she says she has been a Democrat her entire adult life. It is the truth.

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
183. No. She was a child who loved her father, who like MLK Sr, was a Republican.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:22 AM
Apr 2016

As Hillary got older and became involved in the civil rights movement, inspired by meeting MLK Jr in person in the early 60s, she realized the "Party of Lincoln" had abandoned the fight for civil rights and that the Democratic Party had taken leadership in that fight. It was a period of transition for the two parties, as anyone familiar with that period of history knows. Civil rights leaders used to be Republicans, like MLK Sr., back when Dixiecrats enforced Jim Crow. But then the GOP adopted its "Southern Strategy" and as Hillary saw this she became a Democrat when she was old enough to vote.

By 1972, she was working for the McGovern campaign and registering poor Latinos to vote in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. What was Bernie Sanders doing in 1972? Writing this "stupid" (his campaign's words) opinion piece in Vermont:


And Bernie was no child when he did that; he was in his 30s.

dchill

(38,514 posts)
70. Democratic values are more valuable than labels.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

I'll bet Bernie didn't advocate for Goldwater OR Rockefeller.

ish of the hammer

(444 posts)
153. Democrats don't conflate public business with private money. That's what Repubs do.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:38 AM
Apr 2016

It's called crony capitalism and/or pay to play. I present to you the Clinton Foundation and 153 million dollars.

JoFerret

(10,704 posts)
245. Lol
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

And that's why he repeatedly says he's not!
She is a big Democratic Party supporter. He is not although happy to accept campaign contributions from many Democrats - including Hillary in 2006.

Some would call that hypocrisy. I just call it politics. Bernie and Hillary are politicians. They do these things - it's part of work of getting elected. there is no purity.

Look - so you really like him. You think he's great. And etc. And for sure he has many extraordinary qualities.
So does Hillary.

Stop being a GOP pawn and think critically about the bigger picture.

Politics isn't just slogan slinging and character assassination.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
51. Bashing Democrats? That means doing that is wrong? Lieberman, The Nelson Boys and Zell Miller
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:42 PM
Apr 2016

Enough party over principle

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
119. DWS supportiing Republicans over Democrats?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:31 PM
Apr 2016

Party over principles is the mantra of Camp Weathervane.

Bernie is a New Deal Democrat. . .shit, since the Democrats have turned into the "Center Right, we don't suck as much as the Republicans" I re-registered Independent. I vote my principles (which are probably far more progressive than you because I find Bernie a bit conservative for my tastes).

Native

(5,942 posts)
267. So Bernie's now a "New Deal Democrat" - that's freaking rich!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016

Talk about spin. LOL. With each passing day, it seems that more and more BS supporters are throwing around cult-like phraseology. I'll have to add this to my journal of BS nonsense. New Deal Democrat - thank you for that!

FailureToCommunicate

(14,018 posts)
12. Sorry but 'I was a Democrat for longer than he was' has a wiff of desperation about it, no?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:17 PM
Apr 2016

She became a Democrat after college.

Heck, most, if not all, of us here became Democrats after our eyes opened.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,018 posts)
205. Alas not this time. But I've been uncle to many generations of little mewers in the past.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

My mother used to joke that there must be a little sign nearby in the neighborhood pointing towards our house that read "Florence Crittenton home for unwed cats"

I had to look that one up (which back then meant an actual trip to a library!)

FailureToCommunicate

(14,018 posts)
231. It may be for some few here, but for most, it really is not
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

"hate".

And it's not about our up bringing. Many here at DU may have been raised in Republican or conservative families, but over time they evolved and saw the light. That's what Hillary did during college. (Wellesley has that effect on students!) And that's fine.

The problem is that when you cast stones about another's apparent carpetbaggery, it sorta leaves your choices open to the same scrutiny.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
60. Wow, do you people
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

ever read what you actually write?

Sanders has the support of the Vermont Democratic Party and has for decades. He caucuses with Democrats in Congress and has for decades. He fund raises for the DSCC and has for decades. He bloody well founded the Progressive Caucus and co-chairs it with other Democrats and has done so for decades.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
87. And he did all that while proudly calling himself an Independent.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:10 PM
Apr 2016

I see nothing wrong with that. But when he suddenly calls himself something else just to to gain the system, I will be sure to remind him of the fresh paint on his new label.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
107. I would rather have an independent who ACTS like a Democrat
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

than a "Democrat" like Hillary who acts like a Republican.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
168. Good Comment But Hillary Doesn't Act Like A Republican
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:00 AM
Apr 2016

Thank god.

Too friendly with the 1% for sure, but not a Republican.

She does not live in Crazytown.....

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
198. Iraq War Vote. Takes money from any corporate source. Flipped on same-sex marriage.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

Keystone XL.... TPP...

Nah, she doesn't act like a Republican at all...

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
201. Clarification
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:13 AM
Apr 2016

She doesn't act like today's batshit crazy Republicans. She does act a lot like Reagan-era Republicans though, in terms of policy.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
223. I would rather have an independent call himself independent
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

rather than join the party he detests for his personal convenience and not even hide the fact.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
224. Personal convenience?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:32 AM
Apr 2016

Do you others fact that the entire political system is rigged in favor of the two major parties, making it impossible for a third party candidate to win, has anything to do with it?

Or are you saying the system isn't rigged, and you would have preferred him to run as an independent, thereby guaranteeing a Republican win?

One or the other must be true.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
233. I am saying the system is rigged
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

I am also saying that joining the rigged system as a matter of convenience does not reflect well on Bernie the Revolutionary.

If Bernie were at all principled and sincere in his desire to change the system, he would have run as an independent or tried to change the said system in other ways, rather than running as part and parcel of the rigged system.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
141. He is running with the blessing of the
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

DNC, you get that right?

They consider him a Democrat as well, you get that right?

He specifically said he would not ever run for President as an independent or be a spoiler, you get that too right?

So if you get all of that, then your current stance and position is simply a bogus attack with no merit or standing. Period.

Sure hope you get used to call Sanders Mr. President.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
169. Oh I get it, DNC was very accommodating to Bernie
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:00 AM
Apr 2016

And Bernie just forgot to return the favor

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-15/sanders-yes-im-a-democrat-of-convenience

Don't see anything about Bernie's concern about being a spoiler...

So with your permission... I will still call Bernie a fake Democrat...

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
192. Permission not granted
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:07 AM
Apr 2016

because it is an erroneous statement. But hey bravo if you want to live in your own reality that flies in the face of facts! More power to you.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
219. Bernie's statement is right there at the link. It is very real. Was it erroneous?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:46 AM
Apr 2016

If this is the case, I sure would love to hear him retract it!

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
53. Depends of your definition of a Democrat
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

if it is being a not Democrat for 70 years and becoming one 9 months ago... then maybe.

But it makes absolutely no sense to call a lifelong Democrat a real one, right?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
65. Are you
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

one of the voters who votes for labels (candidates with D after their name) instead of the issues the candidate stands for?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
90. So you do vote labels?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:12 PM
Apr 2016

That's what it sounds like to me. I've always been a registered Democrat and Bernie's position on the issues represents my positions.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
118. No, but Bernie sure runs on labels.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:27 PM
Apr 2016

Neither your positions nor Bernie's represent the positions of the majority of the Democratic party. Bernie's positions never represented the positions of the Democratic party. Yet, despite not representing the positions of the Democratic party for all of his political life, he is suddenly labeling himself a Democrat now.

Maybe you should talk labels with Bernie.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
130. Wow
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

beastie boy, I didn't know you were the official arbiter of what the majority of Democrats think. Wow, how long have you had this important job? I've been a Democrat since 1974 and I've never heard of you or that position? Is it newly created - like tonight, maybe?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
145. LOL
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:13 AM
Apr 2016

You give me a link to a conservative site? Really?

RealClearPolitics (RCP) is a Chicago-based political news and polling data aggregator formed in 2000[2] by former options trader John McIntyre and former advertising agency account executive Tom Bevan.[3][4][5] The site's founders say their goal is to give readers "ideological diversity".[6] This claim been disputed by some liberal news outlets, alleging observations of a conservative bias in the content it displays.[7]

RCP has expanded to include a number of sister sites. Politico executive editor Jim VandeHei has called the site "an essential stop for anyone interested in politics".[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics

Real Clear Politics was the same site that added in Hillary's superdelegates in the pledged delegate field. Yeah, I really trust that site.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
172. Stick with the Same Subject
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:06 AM
Apr 2016

Now you want to talk about primary votes? What happened to issues. Did you get tired of that? Oh wait, this isn't your proof of what the majority of Democrats believe, is it? We aren't even done with the election and this is your proof? That's not even poll results of what the majority of Democrats think on the issues. That's results of a partial primary election. Good grief. We were talking about ISSUES and you give me partial primary results That's your proof that the majority of my fellow Democrats don't believe the way I do about the issues? Oh my.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
184. Huh?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:24 AM
Apr 2016

Both links (that's links to liberal sites) contain information on popular vote, if you are not too lazy to look for it.

But maybe you can find a source (I will even accept a conservative source!) that show Bernie ahead in popular vote?

C'mon, I dare ya! Do some work for a change!

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
187. LOL
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:33 AM
Apr 2016

You evidently missed the point or read the wrong post? We weren't talking about the popular vote when you gave me your links. Maybe you should go back and look at our conversation as a refresher. The popular vote in the primary so far has nothing to do with what was being discussed. Evidently you need to get some sleep so I'll just say good night to you.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
216. You must have missed 139. And your response 145
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

We were talking about popular vote and you challenged my link on the basis of it being a "conservative" source.

Deflect much?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
234. LOL
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:35 PM
Apr 2016

Yeah, right. Keep working on learning how to spin and maybe one day... Anyway thanks for the entertainment.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
235. You should really make some effort to expand your vocabulary. And LOL is not an argument
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

It's not even a word. Neither are emoticons.

I will let you go now. Use this opportunity to regain your grip on reality.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
208. I'm not ashamed of my self imposed label that I often wear since becoming a Democrat
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

for the second time. I proudly call myself a "DINO from the Left". Why can't your candidate be truthful and call herself a "DINO from the right" like she really is?

If my being a DINO bothers you, don't worry, as soon as the elections are over I will once again become a proud liberal and an unaffiliated voter.

Signed,
A DINO from the Left

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
218. You want her to use your self-imposed label standards?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

I doubt she is aware of your existence, let alone your terminology.

BTW, I have no problem with you using any designation you choose for yourself. As long as it doesn't contradict your record.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
251. I hope the Clinton's don't know of my existence, probably safer that way. As for terminology?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:35 PM
Apr 2016

Thanks for the credit but I can't take credit for the term DINO. You don't think Hillary knows what a DINO is? Talk about an uninformed candidate!

As for this:

BTW, I have no problem with you using any designation you choose for yourself. As long as it doesn't contradict your record.

I have no idea what you mean by that, especially the second sentence.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
253. "DINO from the left"? First time i hear of it.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

Still, I have no problem with that. My problem would start if you were to do squat for the Democratic party for 20 years, then decide to run for office as a Democrat and then threaten to leave the party if you don't get your way. This would be totally hypocritical, no?

I hope this sufficiently explains the portion of my post that was so puzzling to you.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
254. What would be hypocritical of me would be to remain in the party I left because they
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016

no longer fought for the ideals I joined the party to support. They stop supporting liberal ideals; I stop supporting the Democrats.

I returned to the party this year because they have a Democratic candidate that is a liberal and needs all the support that he can get. The fact that the party doesn't appreciate that Bernie is bringing old members back and getting young people to join the party is the main reason I will likely again quit my affiliation with the Democratic party.

Admittedly most DINO's are from the right but there are probably quite a few DINO's from the left in the party this year. I know there are a few on DU and some like me say they will again leave the party after the election, at least if Bernie loses the nomination.

There are reasons that both major parties are losing members, people in the parties, and outside, would be wise to study the trend and learn from it. I predict a mass exodus from the Democratic party if Hillary wins the primaries.

Signed,
A DINO from the left.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
257. I didn't meam you
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 05:07 PM
Apr 2016

I meant Bernie.

But since we are on the subject: if you plan to leave the party if Bernie doesn't win, you are no Democrat.

What if Bernie decided to run as a Republican? Would you have become a RINO from the left?

Might as well become unaffiliated.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
263. Wow you said I wasn't a Democrat! Must be you looked up what it meant to be a DINO.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:57 AM
Apr 2016

Now apply that knowledge to Hillary and see how she holds up. Being in the right side of the political spectrum already you won't have to look far.

Signed,
I was probably a Democrat before you were born.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
264. Wasn't it you who said you are joining in and out of the Democratic party
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:09 AM
Apr 2016

depending on where the wind blows?

And, applying your definition of DINO to Hillary, she is smack in the middle of the mainstream of the Democratic party. It may not be to your liking, but that's a fact. Hillary has probably been a Democrat since the day YOU were born. And she stayed a Democrat.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
265. I most definitely am joining in and out of the Democratic party depending upon
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:14 PM
Apr 2016

who their candidates are. All told that would be, in, out, in again, and then probably out again depending upon whether Bernie wins. Nor am I ashamed of it, thus the term DINO from the left.

We will just have to agree to disagree on whether Hillary is a DINO from the right.

Signed,
A proud liberal and a DINO from the left who is much more honest about my status than the Democratic Presidential candidate from the right.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
140. Proud Progressive all his life.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

Unlike Hillary who is a Goldwater Conservative turned Centrist Corporate "Democrat".

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
171. Probably Too Many Democrats Made His Stomach Turn
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:03 AM
Apr 2016

Gee, I wonder why....

Maybe TPP for one?

Reagan Democrats?

Iraq War Vote?

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
238. Switching his party affiliation because our system makes running 3rd Party counterproductive.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

Would you rather he be a 3rd party spoiler like Nader? Oh, that's right, you would love that so you could blame us Progressives for losing the same way you blamed us in 2000.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
248. All I hear from you progressives is how you are not going to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:54 PM
Apr 2016

How is this different from voting for a third party nominee?

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
14. blah blah blah blah.....
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:20 PM
Apr 2016

If this woman is the best so called democrat we have then the party and the country are truly fucked.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
15. The question is not is he a Democrat...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

The question is will he remain a Democrat after he loses the nomination.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
24. if hillary manages to worm her way into the nomination
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:25 PM
Apr 2016

we may see a new party rise out of the ashes of the old Democratic party.

if the choice is between hill and trump there is no choice. No reasonable liberal or progressive could vote for either one.
If hillary is the best we can do then the party is already dead.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
17. gonna be some changes made after this convention is tied up
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

Damn letting these non Democrats run in our elections.

Wibly

(613 posts)
36. To win an election
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:31 PM
Apr 2016

A candidate must win over the non believers and non supporters.
But here you are, talking about how you're going to exclude people!
That's how you lose elections bud.

That said, do you really believe talking like this is going to help Clinton?

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
49. I'm going to ask you a question and please answer it honestly to yourself.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:41 PM
Apr 2016

If Bernie were the obvious front runner going in and ahead in delegates, do you think that spending breakdown would still be the same?



Do you think Republicans are really fans of the Democratic Socialist who wants universal education and healthcare, or do you think they're spending the money where they believe it will get them the most benefit in November?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
68. The Republicans want to help the weaker Dem candidate.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

So, aside from the fact that they've allowed themselves to be overcome with their own anti-Clinton propaganda, they believe they'll easily be able to roll over the "socialist with New York values". And they're right.

Sanders is a loser, because he allows the GOP to set the narrative of his supposedly Democratic campaign, and Democratic voters are starting to recognize that.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
84. It couldn't be they're already setting up their line of attacks for the person
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

they presume to be the nominee. No, that would never happen.


And yes, the person who strongly holds to his positions and takes on all challengers is the weak candidate who let's the narrative be set, not the one who shifts every time her polls change.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
103. You think the RW propaganda machine can't alter their strategy if it's in their best interest?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:17 PM
Apr 2016

Do you think they're stupid?

OTOH, if Bernie's ultimate objective is to win against the GOP nominee in the fall, what does it say about him that he's let the GOP set the tone of his campaign?

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
112. How is he letting the GOP set the tone of his campaign?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

That has to be some of the dumbest reasoning I have heard on this site. Bernie has absolutely zero control over what Republicans do with their money. Bernie is doing just fine speaking for himself.


Do you even listen to yourself?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
120. How did Paul Krugman put it?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016
http://nyti.ms/21X4Dbb

"...the Sanders campaign needs to stop feeding the right-wing disinformation machine. Engaging in innuendo suggesting, without evidence, that Clinton is corrupt is, at this point, basically campaigning on behalf of the RNC. If Sanders really believes, as he says, that it’s all-important to keep the White House out of Republican hands, he should stop all that – and tell his staff to stop it too."
 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
173. Screw Paul Krugman
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:08 AM
Apr 2016

He is vying for a job.

It would be a disgrace to not talk about Hillary's baggage.

All 500 747's full.....

And then there is the matter of all that loot Wall Street gave her for what?

A pep talk?

If you don't know how the influence peddling game is played, you need to spend more time on DU.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
116. So, among your Republicans it's :1) Trump, 2) Sanders, and 3) Clinton.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:27 PM
Apr 2016

For me, I want my Democratic nominee to be as far away from being "liked" by the average, crazy-assed Republican Trump supporter as possible.

There will be many new Trump voters born the day Sanders concedes & Clinton wins the nomination.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
174. That's Why No One Goes To His Rallys - He's Like Mondale
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:10 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks for pointing that out.

And the polling against Republicans well above and beyond HRC..... well.....

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
55. She? I am talking about Bernie!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:47 PM
Apr 2016

...who has been a Democrat for a whole of nine months!

No, Hillary will never act like this.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
160. Bernie, who caucuses w/Dems longer than HRC was ever in office
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

Eleceted and SOS combined. While many Dems, Hillary included, sided with Republicans on issues that hurt us most. Like War and economics.

Thanks, I'll take my chances with the real progressive, Bernie. And I'm not afraid of being called a socialist, last I checked, I have a SS card, I send my kids to public school, I use public roads and services, and believe that society is built on a solid foundation of taking care of the weakest amongst us, not the wealthiest.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
178. You are free to take your chances with Bernie.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:17 AM
Apr 2016

And I will take mine with a Democrat.

It's a free country, no?

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
193. Enjoy war and more economic decline, unless you're a 1%
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:18 AM
Apr 2016

With secure funds. Because if the market crashes again, we aren't bailing you out again, and chances are you're going to jail or the country full on revolts against you next time.

Wibly

(613 posts)
27. She wonders why
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

She accuses Sanders of a bad attitude and of misrepresentation. Then she misrepresents Sander's record, and attempts to divide and conquer by claiming a guy who has caucused and voted with the Dems for decades is not a Democrat, or is a Democratic come lately.

Basically, she engages in what she herself calls "arful smear" wonders why people don't buy her double speak.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
44. Reminds me of "I will never, ever support a Democrat in the General,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:39 PM
Apr 2016

unless it's a newly minted one", or something to that effect.

Roy Rolling

(6,925 posts)
58. That's what got me banned
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

A post from the Hillary group popped up the front page so I read it.

When a Hillary supporter used the "Bernie is not one of us" line I objected and said I was not one of them.

They banned me for pointing out Hillary's followers use the same negativity on Bernie as Republicans do. By banning me, they proved my point.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
95. Meh..
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

We'll see come tuesday..and he's done in NY.
Just my opinion, ya know. Like you have yours.
Good luck.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
117. Well lets just hope its the Republicans who will fall short of luck in Nov 2016
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:27 PM
Apr 2016

They need to be stopped. Senate House & Pres

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
200. And this is why Bernie is losing and will ultimatly be defeated.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:11 AM
Apr 2016

How did Paul Krugman put it?

http://nyti.ms/21X4Dbb

"...at this point it’s something like a 90 percent probability that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. Anyone denying that arithmetic is basically pulling a con job on Sanders supporters."

At this point, as of this morning, Apr 2, 2016, the official tally for the Nevada caucus is Clinton with 6,316 votes & 19 delegates vs. Sanders with 5,678 votes & 15 delegates. You are lying when you say Sanders won Nevada.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
40. Bernie's supporters have told us, HIllary had stop campaigning in Wisconsin.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:34 PM
Apr 2016

So this article cant be true that Hillary is and was campaigning in Wisconsin today. Bernie supporters would never LIE like Bernie, three Pinocchios, Sanders.

Roy Rolling

(6,925 posts)
128. You get your news from "supporters" telling you?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:49 PM
Apr 2016

Regardless of the merits of your comment, (anonymous) "supporters" of the opposition are not a credible source to quote.

That works on Fox News, but that's because they are peddling BS to an gullible audience.

I would recommend everyone dial it back a notch---everybody is needed in the general election.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
45. That's what she's going with?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:39 PM
Apr 2016

that she had a 'D' behind her name longer??? Nothing about actual accomplishments or things she's done?

Wow. Weak sauce indeed.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
86. I'm more concerned about all his policies and accomplishments
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

If someone wants to support someone just because they have a "D" after their name regardless of their policies and actions, well that just speaks poorly of them.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
108. So you only support them because of the "D" and don't care about policies or accomplishments?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

That explains a lot that I've been wondering about Hillary followers...

I'm guessing you're cool with DWS and her gutting rules for payday loans...

Does that "D" protect them from all wrongdoing in your eyes? Or is there a line somewhere? What does it take for someone with the magic "D" to not earn your vote?

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
121. I am supporting Hillary PRECISELY because of her record of accomplishments,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

a record that Bernie can't even touch.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
126. ROFL Too funny
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:46 PM
Apr 2016

It's weird you mention her accomplishments in a subthread about democrats... I guess some people just see the "D" and can't see past it.

What accomplishments?

The Iraq War vote?
Lobbying for NAFTA?
Lobbying for the Crime Bill?
Lobbying for Welfare Reform?
Secretly lobbying for Colombia Free Trade Agreement after publicly promising unions to fight it?
Pay-for-play arms deals and donations to the Clinton Foundation?
Mishandling of classified information?
Saying the VA scandal was no big deal - while Bernie was holding hearings, and now saying he screwed vets?
Libya?
Honduras?
Haiti?
How she reacted under sniper fire? Oh wait, that was a public lie refuted by actual video.
Because she wants to start negotiations on the minimum wage at $12 instead of $15?
Pushing fracking?
Patriot Act vote?
Cosponsoring the Workplace Religious Freedom Act?
Her flip-flop on TPP? On which the Chamber of Commerce says they understand she will flip-flop again...
Her interview where she couldn't even say she wouldn't lie?
Her lies about Bernie wanting to eliminate the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, etc... and just start from scratch?
Her cherry-picking of votes on omnibus style bills to misrepresent Bernie's record?
Her being a "proud centrist" but then suddenly refuting that to be a "proud progressive"
Her taking millions from Wall St?
Her not releasing the transcripts from paid speeches to Wall St?
Her right-wing statements that homeowners caused the crash?
Against bringing back Glass-Steagall?
For saying she'll use Dodd-Frank (after another crash...)
Fossil fuel industry ties?
Her misrepresenting Bernie's record on gun control, but then suddenly stopped talking about gun control just prior to fundraiser hosted by NRA lobbyist?


Was it any of those? Should we continue?

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
132. Bernie has a record of running a provincial town. Hillary has a record of running the country.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:56 PM
Apr 2016

I hope this is simple enough for you to understand.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
135. OMG you really said that?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:59 PM
Apr 2016

You might want to take a look at their records.

What country did she run?

Or are you referring to the shadow State Dept she tried to set up? Might want to look at the years Sanders was in office vs the years she was...

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
148. In case you forgot, she was the Secretary of State of the United States of America
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

She was in charge of the entire foreign policy of the country, which is a major part of the Executive branch of the US Government.

But you knew that, no?

And Bernie was in charge of a provincial town, population 42,000, in the second least populous state in the US.

But you knew that too, no?

Did I miss anything in their respective executive experience records?

No. But you knew that.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
150. So you're really arguing that being SoS justifies saying she ran the country???
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

Wow. Wouldn't have thought you would double-down on that one.

So you cherry-pick one small piece of Bernie's record and ignore his congressional and senate career and then cherry-pick one small piece of Hillary's and embellish it ridiculously????



Your statement "Hillary has a record of running the country." is just flat out ridiculous. That in and of itself, means continuing this with you is fruitless.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
176. It certainly justifies citing it as Hillary's national level executive experience
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:14 AM
Apr 2016

And perhaps you can tell me how Bernie's legislative experience figures into his executive record.

He proposed and passed bills in Congress. He didn't run any administrative entity since he stopped being Mayor of Burlington.

Never thought you needed a lecture on legislative vs administrative branches.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
179. Doubling down further?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:19 AM
Apr 2016

Sheesh. Have you taken a second to just realize the ridiculousness of your statements?

So Sec of State is executive experience now? And then saying because it's part of the executive branch? So those people on the Veteran's committees in congress - do they all have war experience too? What about people like Sen Grassley - does he have narcotics experience because he's on the narcotics committee???




Thanks for some of the best laughs I've had on this board. Wow. Just wow.

beastie boy

(9,385 posts)
185. Ok, let me ask you this: can you comprehend the difference between giving orders and running things?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:29 AM
Apr 2016

If you can, congratulations! you now know the difference between a legislative position and an executive one.

But if you can't, I am afraid you are hopeless.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
189. Such obfuscation...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:49 AM
Apr 2016

You're really not going to admit how ridiculous it was for you to say she has experience running a country?

Bernie had a staff as a member of congress, she had a staff as Sec of State. Neither has ran a country.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
142. So you only care about party labels and not issues, got it.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

Seems like Politics is nothing but supporting a sports team for Hillary supporters.

Shit like this is why I quit calling myself a Democrat in 2010.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
177. But Changing Their Positions Doesn't Bother You?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:16 AM
Apr 2016

On a dime's notice?

Oh wait. She's now a progressive.

That makes everything ok right?

I am still laughing.

Wait till she signs TPP and your job goes to Vietnam to a 60 cent an hour worker.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
46. Hill! A TRUE Third Way, Elite, Entrenched Democrat!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

And THAT is exactly what is now wrong with the Democratic Party!

Bernie is more about Democracy than she could ever be.

No...More...Clintons...Ever!

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
47. He has done more work for and caucused with the Dems much longer than she has
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:41 PM
Apr 2016

She served 8 years in the senate (two of which she spent 98% of her time campaigning and fundraising), that's it, plus four years as an appointed Diplomat where she had a horrid record and had to be replaced by Kerry, because she disagreed with POTUS believing war was the only diplomatic solution for everything.

I can't believe I have to post his Democratic credentials yet again but here you have it

He caucused with the Democrats for, 16 years in the United States House of Representatives, 10 years in the United States Senate;

where he served on many committees Representing the Democratic party such as the:

Committee on the Budget (Ranking Member)
Committee on Environment and Public Works
Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Subcommittee on Green Jobs and the New Economy
Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
Subcommittee on Energy
Subcommittee on National Parks
Subcommittee on Water and Power
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Subcommittee on Children and Families
Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging (Ranking Member)
Committee on Veterans' Affairs (chairman)

He has every right to expect respect from those he served with such loyalty and in so many capacities.
The Democratic party must consider him a true blue ally to have given him seats on so many committees.

He was also a founder of the Democratic Progressive caucus.

It appears to me the only one's that are offended by his Independent status are all the Moderate Republicans that are far less honest and register as "Democrats" while voting for Republican policy, those "Democrats" are most often both conservative and liars, among them Hillary Clinton.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
52. Just because she had a D after her name
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

Doesn't mean shit. She is NO Democrat. She is more GOP than anything else. She hangs in the same troughs as they do.

postulater

(5,075 posts)
56. In Wisconsin we don't register by party.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:48 PM
Apr 2016

I have never been a Democrat, yet I have always voted for Democrats.

I vote for the person not for a party. Sometimes I hold my nose and vote Democrat as a vote against a worse option.

There are lots of Wisconsin voters like me who don't give a crap what party a candidate allies with. We vote for a person.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
59. Well, she can call herself anything she wants but that doesn't make it so.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:51 PM
Apr 2016

Policy matters. Her past and present actions and words matter. She has already lost in my view.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
62. obviously not 'LATE BREAKING' but we'll see if this gets locked
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

bwahahahahahahha

I already know the answer to that...



MisterP

(23,730 posts)
79. wah, we dumped 11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

and are left with 26% of the electorate! somehow it has to be YOUR FAULT

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
97. Bernie can truthfully say he was never a Republican
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

I really do not think anyone is unaware that Bernie was an independent, who caucuses with the Democrats.

Geuricol

(7 posts)
214. Not true!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:42 PM - Edit history (1)

I was at the Hillary rally in Eau Claire when she said that.....the crowd certainly did applaud!

azmom

(5,208 posts)
122. She's a democrat being investigated by the FBI. Democrats
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

Stand for transparency in government not hiding work related work product in secret servers.
Shame on her.

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
195. Shame on you for repeating Republican lies.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:29 AM
Apr 2016

She is not the target of the FBI investigation.

Her use of a private email server was not "secret" nor illegal and was approved by the State Department, like the prior two Secretaries of State's private email use.

No public records were "hidden" by the use of the private server.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
123. Now she knows how I felt when the Clintons came along and took over my party. Bernie's just
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

here to take it back.

gg4usa

(83 posts)
124. Hillary has worked a long time to get to this point
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:38 PM
Apr 2016

I love Bernie. He is my senator. He has been a senator for a long time and knows the ropes. He voted against the Iraq war - which is a ++. Hillary has been in the trenches a long time. First she had to realize her Republican family was in the wrong and switch to the Democrat party - not something one does lightly. She has worked hard - for healthcare, for equal rights, as Secretary of State and she knows what to expect from the opposition because she has fought against it. She thought she had the nomination last time, but Obama swept it up, negating her super delegates and coming out on top. The same thing is happening now - with Bernie. This is basically her last chance. She stuck by her man and continues to be condemned for it (although Bill seems to get off scot-free). I'm sorry, but I want to hand her the nomination - she handled the Benghazi hearings expertly, like a President - patiently but with an undertone of sarcasm (which it deserved for it's obvious attempts to scapegoat her). As Secretary of State she has learned things that Bernie would need some time to pick up. She is ready out-of-the-box. She is SMART. She will make a great president. She deserves the presidency.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
182. Hillary Is Not A Republican
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:22 AM
Apr 2016

Just another "owned" Democrat.

Owned by the 1%ers that give her $$.

Personal and campaign.

Where can I get a job making $225,000 per speech.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
143. Once more the "Damn immigrants are taking our jobs" meme.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:06 AM
Apr 2016

If Democrats can't accept a political immigrant into the primary how can we call ourselves pro immigrant?

Or do we succumb to the same ignorance as the ones we mock?

Kall

(615 posts)
144. Gee...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:08 AM
Apr 2016

... setting aside that Sanders always caucused with the Democratic Party since she doesn't think that matters, one would hope the fact that an Independent running in the Democratic party is doing so well, in particular with young people who will be voting for the next 60-70 years, and doing so much better than any of them expected, would provoke some introspection as to what the Democratic Party should perhaps do to appeal to more people, but nope. Full speed ahead into the TPP and single-payer health care "never, ever" happening, cap'n.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
154. Y'know, I quit GD:P. Now I find it in LBN and Videos. Gahdammit.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:39 AM
Apr 2016

Kim Davis was a Democrat all her adult life, too. So was Zell Miller. Joe Lieberman.

Long-time registration doesn't impress me, sorry.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
167. It's Corporate Democrats Like Hillary
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:58 AM
Apr 2016

That make me want to be an independent......

She isn't the only one.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
196. A Democrat that is pro-war, pro-free trade, and pro wall-street
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:59 AM
Apr 2016

That doesn't sound like a Democrat to me.

Gothmog

(145,433 posts)
202. Sanders Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum comments pester me
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders and the traitor Nader share a love of stating that there is no difference between the Democratic and Republican parties and have even used the same sad terminology. Sanders first used the same terminology of stating that there are no differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican party when he ran as a spoiler for governor. http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed

Hillary Clinton is not the first progressive Democratic woman to be challenged by Bernie Sanders. He ran against me in 1986 when I was running for my second term as governor of Vermont. At that time he had little affinity for the Democratic Party. When advised that his third-party candidacy might result in a Republican victory, he saw no difference between Democrats and Republicans, saying: “It is absolutely fair to say you are dealing with Tweedledum and Tweedledee.”[/div
After Sanders used this termination, Nader joined in first http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/30/ralph-nader/nader-almost-said-gore-bush-but-not-quite/

Again and again throughout the campaign, Nader implied that he thought Bush and Gore equally objectionable. "It doesn't matter who is in the White House, Gore or Bush, for the vast majority of government departments and agencies," Nader said in a news conference in September 2000.

"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.

"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."

Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."

Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."

Sanders needs to back down from this crap if he wants to speak at the national convention

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
204. Actions speak louder than words, louder than party affiliation.. Bernie has always been there, in
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:30 AM
Apr 2016

the trenches, in the marches and the protests..

GoneOffShore

(17,340 posts)
226. While HRC was supporting Goldwater and voting for the Iraq war.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

And propping up Bill with DOMA, DADT, NAFTA.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
211. Proud of her support for the Iraq War?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

Proud of lying about Bernie?
Proud of her opposition to a $15 an hour minimum wage?
Proud of her opposition to same sex marriage (until the wind changed)?
Proud of her support for more trade deals sending jobs over seas (until the wind changed)?
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
225. Aside from the 2016 presidential election when did Bernie ever run as a Democrat?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

She's right about that and no amount of bad mouthing can change that fact. get over it folks.

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders|

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
228. A lot of mafia bosses and drug lords are lifelong Catholics, but a recent convert may have been
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

following the teachings of the church more faithfully for more of his life than those lifelong members.

 

Arizona Roadrunner

(168 posts)
236. Clinton is not a traditional Democrat but a "new" Democrat!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

Traditional Democrats take as their frame of reference the New Deal. New Democrats take as their frame of reference Corporate America. Follow the money folks! Whether she admits it, knows it or is ignoring it, she is and will be a shill for corporate interests first and foremost.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
237. I there was an awakening in her college Republican days...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

... then, she admittedly decided to challenge the conventional wisdom by working through "the system". We saw how far that philosophy went by the time of the Clinton White House... Nothing learned, as evidenced by all that same conventional "wisdom" creating the same predictable misery for most Americans who are still told to to methodically work through an even MORE corrupt system. Talk about never getting ahead.

Re-wind back again to the 60's when Bernie Sanders went up in front of that same conventional wisdom that excluded justice for his fellow man and woman...


There IS no question as to who has been AWAKENED ALL THESE YEARS.

JoFerret

(10,704 posts)
241. Hillary is right on that and good for her for pointing it out
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

Some have called him a moocher and a carpetbagger. While that is too harsh there is an element of truth to it.

He certainly is clear that he is not a Democrat although he has been happy to accept money from Democrats (including Hillary in 2006) for his previous election bids.

And this is in keeping with his "We'll see" remark on Maddow when asked whether he would help down-ticket candidates.

liberalhistorian

(20,819 posts)
252. Oh, pish tosh, hardly true.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

What he is is a REAL and TRUE Democrat, the kind that would never stomach this third way repub-lite corporate shill bullshit. You know, like FDR, Truman, Kennedy (especially RFK) and, yes, even Johnson (with the exception of Vietnam; if it weren't for him, we wouldn't have Medicare and Medicaid and many other programs).

Hillary the war hawk, third way, corporate shill, Wall Street speaker doesn't even come close.

0rganism

(23,960 posts)
261. i have never before read such a full-on embrace of the "No True Scotsman" argument at DU
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

back and forth, both sides, "Bernie wasn't a Democrat until 2015", "Hillary was a Goldwater Girl in 1964", on and on with the cantankerous bullshit.

looks like primary season has brought out the worst in this forum.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
262. She worked on a GOP campaign at the same time as she worked on a Democratic one
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

Shows what a versatile talent she has is, I suppose.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
266. as Inigo said in THE PRINCESS BRIDE...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:23 PM
Apr 2016

I do not think that word (Democrat) means what she thinks it means.

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