In Wisconsin, Clinton says Sanders is a Democrat-come-lately Clinton calls herself 'a proud Democrat
Source: WAPT
Hillary Clinton wants voters in Wisconsin to know that she has been a Democrat for much of her adult life. Why? Bernie Sanders hasn't been.
Clinton said her near-lifelong membership to the Democratic Party was "important" in the nomination contest while campaigning here on Saturday, two days ahead of Wisconsin's Democratic primary.
"I am also a Democrat and have been a proud Democrat all my adult life," Clinton said. "And I think that is kind of important if we are selecting someone to be the Democratic nominee of the Democratic Party."
Clinton grew up in a Republican household and was briefly a Republican when she went to Wellesley College in 1965. Shortly after arriving on campus, however, Clinton grew more liberal and has been a member of the Democratic Party since her graduation in 1969.
Read more: http://www.wapt.com/politics/in-wisconsin-clinton-says-sanders-is-a-democratcomelately/38837280
dchill
(38,514 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)JoFerret
(10,704 posts)I don't think that he is hiding away millions but how complex can they be?
Why is he allowing this self-inflicted wound to fester. It's a distraction.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)dchill
(38,514 posts)If she's a proud Democrat, then what are the rest if us?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)dchill
(38,514 posts)She's a PROUD ONE!!!
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,925 posts)dchill
(38,514 posts)when you're perfect in every way.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... came to my mind too.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,103 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Cheap_Trick
(3,918 posts)considering $Hillary was against marriage equality until a couple years ago. Nice try, but no cigar. We know what Billy boy would do with it....
LS_Editor
(893 posts)Fuck the weakest members of society. Fuck the people who are descending into poverty. Where's my reward for doing the bidding of my corporate owners?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,103 posts)Did you know that corporations persuaded Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal to veto a bill that would have legalized discrimination against gay people, responding to an outcry from corporate interests including Coca-Cola, Home Depot, UPS, Walt Disney, Delta, Time Warner, Comcast, Netflix, Apple and the National Football League?
Did you know that corporations like Microsoft, Verizon, AT&T, & Starbucks offered benefits to the partners of gay people in the early 1990s way before the public at large was willing to? You probably didn't.
Please refrain from the canned Bernie Sanders retorts.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Is that the message?
LS_Editor
(893 posts)Let's break it down...
Here's a whole two examples in two decades of where corporate greed actually helped people, which somehow invalidates your argument that Hillary Clinton is a corporate shill.
And my conclusion for you...
Please refrain from bastardized reasoning, if possible. Maybe also be a little bit more respectful, too. A lesser person than I would flag your post.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)should let them own our politicians and decide every major policy.
Well Goldwater might seem like a Democrat now.
JoFerret
(10,704 posts)You sound like the #GOP
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Hillary is amassing delegates, and she will be the nominee.
Bernie has already lost, whether people admit it or not.
dchill
(38,514 posts)Now her lead will dwindle. Inevitable is as inevitable is.
JoFerret
(10,704 posts)Deprive those who actually voted of their representation. Way to go!
And time for be done with all those caucuses anyway.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Does the Democratic party as an institution really mean something to people?
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)was Clinton speaking as a Democrat when she got paid for speaking to Goldman Sachs?
840high
(17,196 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)since it appears she wants to keep those speeches secret.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ish of the hammer
(444 posts)you might bust a gut laughing...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ish of the hammer
(444 posts)rising seas and climate refugees will wipe the smirk from your face.
I hope you have lots of children, maybe one of them might survive.
and no, Sanders will only slow it up, but your abuela is no better than the repubs.
you can buy a lot of comfort with 153 million dollars at the fin de siecle.
enjoy your laughter while you can.
dogman
(6,073 posts)greymouse
(872 posts)Can't be anything but deceptive, doesn't know how to be honest, it seems.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)I would remind you that Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until 1996.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)... as evidence that she is not a "real Democrat"
I am using the fact that Warren was a Republican until 1996 to show how silly that argument is.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)DOMA, DADT, Wal-mart, Iraq War, supports private prisons, crime bill that militarized the police, her attempted poliitical rehabilitation of Nancy Reagan and Kissinger. . .Bernie is more of a Democrat than Camp WEathervane's leader is.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)If no politician or ordinary citizen evolved on issues society would never make progress.
She supports marriage equally and supported repealing DADT. She support criminal justice reforms. On the subject of the crime bill it was supported by many African-American community organizations. On the subject of Nancy Reagan while her comments about HIV were misguided she was probably thinking about not kicking dirt on a dead person grave.
And when you say "At least Warren stands for Democratic values." There were probably times when she didn't if she only left the GOP in 1996.
And no Bernie is not more of a Democrat. He voted against immigration reform. He voted support the Minuteman militia.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/03/10/hillary-clinton-was-right-about-bernie-sanders-minuteman-militia-vote-but-sanders-now-denies-intent/O69kcEQSuHpueuVCsxXO4L/story.html
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)Voted against the Brady Bill Fives Times, Voted for legal immunity for gun makes, voted to dump Vermont nuclear waste on a poor Texas latino community.
And he voted to support the Minutemen.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/03/10/hillary-clinton-was-right-about-bernie-sanders-minuteman-militia-vote-but-sanders-now-denies-intent/O69kcEQSuHpueuVCsxXO4L/story.html
Wibly
(613 posts)Tell us please, what other measures were in those Bills?
You are parsing huge omnibus bills and pretending they were individual bills, which is not quite honest. You are also failing to mention what Clinton's stand on those bills was.
In at least once case, you are damning Sanders for voting the same way Clinton did.
And the Clinton campaign wonders why they get compared to the GOP. Why not? They act just like them.
Thanks Wibly!!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)That seems a concept many struggle with.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Hillary is the one that brought up the length of service to the party not Bernie supporters.
CincyDem
(6,375 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)I am willing to forgive her youthful transgressions
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)A lie is a lie. Or do you have a different definition? What about her ducking for cover in Bosnia? What sorta youthful transgression was that?
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:42 AM - Edit history (1)
She never voted for Goldwater. She was not old enough to vote. When she was old enough to vote, she campaigned and voted for the Democratic presidential nominee, McGovern.
That is why she says she has been a Democrat her entire adult life. It is the truth.
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)As Hillary got older and became involved in the civil rights movement, inspired by meeting MLK Jr in person in the early 60s, she realized the "Party of Lincoln" had abandoned the fight for civil rights and that the Democratic Party had taken leadership in that fight. It was a period of transition for the two parties, as anyone familiar with that period of history knows. Civil rights leaders used to be Republicans, like MLK Sr., back when Dixiecrats enforced Jim Crow. But then the GOP adopted its "Southern Strategy" and as Hillary saw this she became a Democrat when she was old enough to vote.
By 1972, she was working for the McGovern campaign and registering poor Latinos to vote in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. What was Bernie Sanders doing in 1972? Writing this "stupid" (his campaign's words) opinion piece in Vermont:
And Bernie was no child when he did that; he was in his 30s.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,018 posts)EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Always has been, always will be.
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)Ha!
dchill
(38,514 posts)I'll bet Bernie didn't advocate for Goldwater OR Rockefeller.
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)It's called crony capitalism and/or pay to play. I present to you the Clinton Foundation and 153 million dollars.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)JoFerret
(10,704 posts)And that's why he repeatedly says he's not!
She is a big Democratic Party supporter. He is not although happy to accept campaign contributions from many Democrats - including Hillary in 2006.
Some would call that hypocrisy. I just call it politics. Bernie and Hillary are politicians. They do these things - it's part of work of getting elected. there is no purity.
Look - so you really like him. You think he's great. And etc. And for sure he has many extraordinary qualities.
So does Hillary.
Stop being a GOP pawn and think critically about the bigger picture.
Politics isn't just slogan slinging and character assassination.
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)But that has not stopped him from bashing Democrats
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Enough party over principle
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)Been out of touch for a long time, huh!
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Party over principles is the mantra of Camp Weathervane.
Bernie is a New Deal Democrat. . .shit, since the Democrats have turned into the "Center Right, we don't suck as much as the Republicans" I re-registered Independent. I vote my principles (which are probably far more progressive than you because I find Bernie a bit conservative for my tastes).
Native
(5,942 posts)Talk about spin. LOL. With each passing day, it seems that more and more BS supporters are throwing around cult-like phraseology. I'll have to add this to my journal of BS nonsense. New Deal Democrat - thank you for that!
FailureToCommunicate
(14,018 posts)She became a Democrat after college.
Heck, most, if not all, of us here became Democrats after our eyes opened.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,018 posts)My mother used to joke that there must be a little sign nearby in the neighborhood pointing towards our house that read "Florence Crittenton home for unwed cats"
I had to look that one up (which back then meant an actual trip to a library!)
riversedge
(70,267 posts)They will continue with the Goldwater smear. No changing hate.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,018 posts)"hate".
And it's not about our up bringing. Many here at DU may have been raised in Republican or conservative families, but over time they evolved and saw the light. That's what Hillary did during college. (Wellesley has that effect on students!) And that's fine.
The problem is that when you cast stones about another's apparent carpetbaggery, it sorta leaves your choices open to the same scrutiny.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)beastie boy
(9,385 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)ever read what you actually write?
Sanders has the support of the Vermont Democratic Party and has for decades. He caucuses with Democrats in Congress and has for decades. He fund raises for the DSCC and has for decades. He bloody well founded the Progressive Caucus and co-chairs it with other Democrats and has done so for decades.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)I see nothing wrong with that. But when he suddenly calls himself something else just to to gain the system, I will be sure to remind him of the fresh paint on his new label.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)than a "Democrat" like Hillary who acts like a Republican.
BBG
(2,543 posts)Kudos
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Thank god.
Too friendly with the 1% for sure, but not a Republican.
She does not live in Crazytown.....
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Keystone XL.... TPP...
Nah, she doesn't act like a Republican at all...
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)She doesn't act like today's batshit crazy Republicans. She does act a lot like Reagan-era Republicans though, in terms of policy.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)is hardly a stirring campaign slogan.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)rather than join the party he detests for his personal convenience and not even hide the fact.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Do you others fact that the entire political system is rigged in favor of the two major parties, making it impossible for a third party candidate to win, has anything to do with it?
Or are you saying the system isn't rigged, and you would have preferred him to run as an independent, thereby guaranteeing a Republican win?
One or the other must be true.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)I am also saying that joining the rigged system as a matter of convenience does not reflect well on Bernie the Revolutionary.
If Bernie were at all principled and sincere in his desire to change the system, he would have run as an independent or tried to change the said system in other ways, rather than running as part and parcel of the rigged system.
TM99
(8,352 posts)DNC, you get that right?
They consider him a Democrat as well, you get that right?
He specifically said he would not ever run for President as an independent or be a spoiler, you get that too right?
So if you get all of that, then your current stance and position is simply a bogus attack with no merit or standing. Period.
Sure hope you get used to call Sanders Mr. President.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)And Bernie just forgot to return the favor
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-15/sanders-yes-im-a-democrat-of-convenience
Don't see anything about Bernie's concern about being a spoiler...
So with your permission... I will still call Bernie a fake Democrat...
TM99
(8,352 posts)because it is an erroneous statement. But hey bravo if you want to live in your own reality that flies in the face of facts! More power to you.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)If this is the case, I sure would love to hear him retract it!
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Carpet bagging much?
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)Which I did fifteen years ago.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)beastie boy
(9,385 posts)Until it dawned on him about nine months ago.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)beastie boy
(9,385 posts)if it is being a not Democrat for 70 years and becoming one 9 months ago... then maybe.
But it makes absolutely no sense to call a lifelong Democrat a real one, right?
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)one of the voters who votes for labels (candidates with D after their name) instead of the issues the candidate stands for?
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)That's what it sounds like to me. I've always been a registered Democrat and Bernie's position on the issues represents my positions.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)Neither your positions nor Bernie's represent the positions of the majority of the Democratic party. Bernie's positions never represented the positions of the Democratic party. Yet, despite not representing the positions of the Democratic party for all of his political life, he is suddenly labeling himself a Democrat now.
Maybe you should talk labels with Bernie.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)beastie boy, I didn't know you were the official arbiter of what the majority of Democrats think. Wow, how long have you had this important job? I've been a Democrat since 1974 and I've never heard of you or that position? Is it newly created - like tonight, maybe?
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)It is the majority of the Democratic voters who are the arbiters of what the majority of Democrats think.
Duh.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)You give me a link to a conservative site? Really?
RealClearPolitics (RCP) is a Chicago-based political news and polling data aggregator formed in 2000[2] by former options trader John McIntyre and former advertising agency account executive Tom Bevan.[3][4][5] The site's founders say their goal is to give readers "ideological diversity".[6] This claim been disputed by some liberal news outlets, alleging observations of a conservative bias in the content it displays.[7]
RCP has expanded to include a number of sister sites. Politico executive editor Jim VandeHei has called the site "an essential stop for anyone interested in politics".[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics
Real Clear Politics was the same site that added in Hillary's superdelegates in the pledged delegate field. Yeah, I really trust that site.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president
But I am sure there is a liberal site with different numbers than the conservative RCP, right? Do provide the link!
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Now you want to talk about primary votes? What happened to issues. Did you get tired of that? Oh wait, this isn't your proof of what the majority of Democrats believe, is it? We aren't even done with the election and this is your proof? That's not even poll results of what the majority of Democrats think on the issues. That's results of a partial primary election. Good grief. We were talking about ISSUES and you give me partial primary results That's your proof that the majority of my fellow Democrats don't believe the way I do about the issues? Oh my.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)Both links (that's links to liberal sites) contain information on popular vote, if you are not too lazy to look for it.
But maybe you can find a source (I will even accept a conservative source!) that show Bernie ahead in popular vote?
C'mon, I dare ya! Do some work for a change!
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)You evidently missed the point or read the wrong post? We weren't talking about the popular vote when you gave me your links. Maybe you should go back and look at our conversation as a refresher. The popular vote in the primary so far has nothing to do with what was being discussed. Evidently you need to get some sleep so I'll just say good night to you.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)We were talking about popular vote and you challenged my link on the basis of it being a "conservative" source.
Deflect much?
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Yeah, right. Keep working on learning how to spin and maybe one day... Anyway thanks for the entertainment.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)It's not even a word. Neither are emoticons.
I will let you go now. Use this opportunity to regain your grip on reality.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)for the second time. I proudly call myself a "DINO from the Left". Why can't your candidate be truthful and call herself a "DINO from the right" like she really is?
If my being a DINO bothers you, don't worry, as soon as the elections are over I will once again become a proud liberal and an unaffiliated voter.
Signed,
A DINO from the Left
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)I doubt she is aware of your existence, let alone your terminology.
BTW, I have no problem with you using any designation you choose for yourself. As long as it doesn't contradict your record.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Thanks for the credit but I can't take credit for the term DINO. You don't think Hillary knows what a DINO is? Talk about an uninformed candidate!
As for this:
I have no idea what you mean by that, especially the second sentence.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)Still, I have no problem with that. My problem would start if you were to do squat for the Democratic party for 20 years, then decide to run for office as a Democrat and then threaten to leave the party if you don't get your way. This would be totally hypocritical, no?
I hope this sufficiently explains the portion of my post that was so puzzling to you.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)no longer fought for the ideals I joined the party to support. They stop supporting liberal ideals; I stop supporting the Democrats.
I returned to the party this year because they have a Democratic candidate that is a liberal and needs all the support that he can get. The fact that the party doesn't appreciate that Bernie is bringing old members back and getting young people to join the party is the main reason I will likely again quit my affiliation with the Democratic party.
Admittedly most DINO's are from the right but there are probably quite a few DINO's from the left in the party this year. I know there are a few on DU and some like me say they will again leave the party after the election, at least if Bernie loses the nomination.
There are reasons that both major parties are losing members, people in the parties, and outside, would be wise to study the trend and learn from it. I predict a mass exodus from the Democratic party if Hillary wins the primaries.
Signed,
A DINO from the left.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)I meant Bernie.
But since we are on the subject: if you plan to leave the party if Bernie doesn't win, you are no Democrat.
What if Bernie decided to run as a Republican? Would you have become a RINO from the left?
Might as well become unaffiliated.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Now apply that knowledge to Hillary and see how she holds up. Being in the right side of the political spectrum already you won't have to look far.
Signed,
I was probably a Democrat before you were born.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)depending on where the wind blows?
And, applying your definition of DINO to Hillary, she is smack in the middle of the mainstream of the Democratic party. It may not be to your liking, but that's a fact. Hillary has probably been a Democrat since the day YOU were born. And she stayed a Democrat.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)who their candidates are. All told that would be, in, out, in again, and then probably out again depending upon whether Bernie wins. Nor am I ashamed of it, thus the term DINO from the left.
We will just have to agree to disagree on whether Hillary is a DINO from the right.
Signed,
A proud liberal and a DINO from the left who is much more honest about my status than the Democratic Presidential candidate from the right.
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Unlike Hillary who is a Goldwater Conservative turned Centrist Corporate "Democrat".
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)Gee, I wonder why....
Maybe TPP for one?
Reagan Democrats?
Iraq War Vote?
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)Does he enjoy stomach convulsions?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Would you rather he be a 3rd party spoiler like Nader? Oh, that's right, you would love that so you could blame us Progressives for losing the same way you blamed us in 2000.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)How is this different from voting for a third party nominee?
bowens43
(16,064 posts)If this woman is the best so called democrat we have then the party and the country are truly fucked.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)The question is will he remain a Democrat after he loses the nomination.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)we may see a new party rise out of the ashes of the old Democratic party.
if the choice is between hill and trump there is no choice. No reasonable liberal or progressive could vote for either one.
If hillary is the best we can do then the party is already dead.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)It is much harder to put a party together than to tear one apart.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Damn letting these non Democrats run in our elections.
Wibly
(613 posts)A candidate must win over the non believers and non supporters.
But here you are, talking about how you're going to exclude people!
That's how you lose elections bud.
That said, do you really believe talking like this is going to help Clinton?
freebrew
(1,917 posts)bye!
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)hillary still seems like a republican to me
baldguy
(36,649 posts)RichVRichV
(885 posts)If Bernie were the obvious front runner going in and ahead in delegates, do you think that spending breakdown would still be the same?
Do you think Republicans are really fans of the Democratic Socialist who wants universal education and healthcare, or do you think they're spending the money where they believe it will get them the most benefit in November?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)So, aside from the fact that they've allowed themselves to be overcome with their own anti-Clinton propaganda, they believe they'll easily be able to roll over the "socialist with New York values". And they're right.
Sanders is a loser, because he allows the GOP to set the narrative of his supposedly Democratic campaign, and Democratic voters are starting to recognize that.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)they presume to be the nominee. No, that would never happen.
And yes, the person who strongly holds to his positions and takes on all challengers is the weak candidate who let's the narrative be set, not the one who shifts every time her polls change.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Do you think they're stupid?
OTOH, if Bernie's ultimate objective is to win against the GOP nominee in the fall, what does it say about him that he's let the GOP set the tone of his campaign?
RichVRichV
(885 posts)That has to be some of the dumbest reasoning I have heard on this site. Bernie has absolutely zero control over what Republicans do with their money. Bernie is doing just fine speaking for himself.
Do you even listen to yourself?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)"...the Sanders campaign needs to stop feeding the right-wing disinformation machine. Engaging in innuendo suggesting, without evidence, that Clinton is corrupt is, at this point, basically campaigning on behalf of the RNC. If Sanders really believes, as he says, that its all-important to keep the White House out of Republican hands, he should stop all that and tell his staff to stop it too."
scottie55
(1,400 posts)He is vying for a job.
It would be a disgrace to not talk about Hillary's baggage.
All 500 747's full.....
And then there is the matter of all that loot Wall Street gave her for what?
A pep talk?
If you don't know how the influence peddling game is played, you need to spend more time on DU.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)For me, I want my Democratic nominee to be as far away from being "liked" by the average, crazy-assed Republican Trump supporter as possible.
There will be many new Trump voters born the day Sanders concedes & Clinton wins the nomination.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Sanders would be like another Mondale.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)Thanks for pointing that out.
And the polling against Republicans well above and beyond HRC..... well.....
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)Like it or not, Hillary has been one for most of her life
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)welcome to ignore
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)...who has been a Democrat for a whole of nine months!
No, Hillary will never act like this.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Eleceted and SOS combined. While many Dems, Hillary included, sided with Republicans on issues that hurt us most. Like War and economics.
Thanks, I'll take my chances with the real progressive, Bernie. And I'm not afraid of being called a socialist, last I checked, I have a SS card, I send my kids to public school, I use public roads and services, and believe that society is built on a solid foundation of taking care of the weakest amongst us, not the wealthiest.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)And I will take mine with a Democrat.
It's a free country, no?
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)With secure funds. Because if the market crashes again, we aren't bailing you out again, and chances are you're going to jail or the country full on revolts against you next time.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)She surely would have fooled this man:
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Wibly
(613 posts)She accuses Sanders of a bad attitude and of misrepresentation. Then she misrepresents Sander's record, and attempts to divide and conquer by claiming a guy who has caucused and voted with the Dems for decades is not a Democrat, or is a Democratic come lately.
Basically, she engages in what she herself calls "arful smear" wonders why people don't buy her double speak.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Hate to say it.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Seems to me we've seen that tactic before. Against Obama.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)unless it's a newly minted one", or something to that effect.
Roy Rolling
(6,925 posts)A post from the Hillary group popped up the front page so I read it.
When a Hillary supporter used the "Bernie is not one of us" line I objected and said I was not one of them.
They banned me for pointing out Hillary's followers use the same negativity on Bernie as Republicans do. By banning me, they proved my point.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)We'll see come tuesday..and he's done in NY.
Just my opinion, ya know. Like you have yours.
Good luck.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)They need to be stopped. Senate House & Pres
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)How did Paul Krugman put it?
http://nyti.ms/21X4Dbb
"...at this point its something like a 90 percent probability that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. Anyone denying that arithmetic is basically pulling a con job on Sanders supporters."
At this point, as of this morning, Apr 2, 2016, the official tally for the Nevada caucus is Clinton with 6,316 votes & 19 delegates vs. Sanders with 5,678 votes & 15 delegates. You are lying when you say Sanders won Nevada.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)So this article cant be true that Hillary is and was campaigning in Wisconsin today. Bernie supporters would never LIE like Bernie, three Pinocchios, Sanders.
Roy Rolling
(6,925 posts)Regardless of the merits of your comment, (anonymous) "supporters" of the opposition are not a credible source to quote.
That works on Fox News, but that's because they are peddling BS to an gullible audience.
I would recommend everyone dial it back a notch---everybody is needed in the general election.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Blue is the best!
revbones
(3,660 posts)that she had a 'D' behind her name longer??? Nothing about actual accomplishments or things she's done?
Wow. Weak sauce indeed.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)If someone wants to support someone just because they have a "D" after their name regardless of their policies and actions, well that just speaks poorly of them.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)and stop pretending your candidate is one.
revbones
(3,660 posts)That explains a lot that I've been wondering about Hillary followers...
I'm guessing you're cool with DWS and her gutting rules for payday loans...
Does that "D" protect them from all wrongdoing in your eyes? Or is there a line somewhere? What does it take for someone with the magic "D" to not earn your vote?
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)a record that Bernie can't even touch.
revbones
(3,660 posts)It's weird you mention her accomplishments in a subthread about democrats... I guess some people just see the "D" and can't see past it.
What accomplishments?
The Iraq War vote?
Lobbying for NAFTA?
Lobbying for the Crime Bill?
Lobbying for Welfare Reform?
Secretly lobbying for Colombia Free Trade Agreement after publicly promising unions to fight it?
Pay-for-play arms deals and donations to the Clinton Foundation?
Mishandling of classified information?
Saying the VA scandal was no big deal - while Bernie was holding hearings, and now saying he screwed vets?
Libya?
Honduras?
Haiti?
How she reacted under sniper fire? Oh wait, that was a public lie refuted by actual video.
Because she wants to start negotiations on the minimum wage at $12 instead of $15?
Pushing fracking?
Patriot Act vote?
Cosponsoring the Workplace Religious Freedom Act?
Her flip-flop on TPP? On which the Chamber of Commerce says they understand she will flip-flop again...
Her interview where she couldn't even say she wouldn't lie?
Her lies about Bernie wanting to eliminate the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, etc... and just start from scratch?
Her cherry-picking of votes on omnibus style bills to misrepresent Bernie's record?
Her being a "proud centrist" but then suddenly refuting that to be a "proud progressive"
Her taking millions from Wall St?
Her not releasing the transcripts from paid speeches to Wall St?
Her right-wing statements that homeowners caused the crash?
Against bringing back Glass-Steagall?
For saying she'll use Dodd-Frank (after another crash...)
Fossil fuel industry ties?
Her misrepresenting Bernie's record on gun control, but then suddenly stopped talking about gun control just prior to fundraiser hosted by NRA lobbyist?
Was it any of those? Should we continue?
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)I hope this is simple enough for you to understand.
revbones
(3,660 posts)You might want to take a look at their records.
What country did she run?
Or are you referring to the shadow State Dept she tried to set up? Might want to look at the years Sanders was in office vs the years she was...
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)She was in charge of the entire foreign policy of the country, which is a major part of the Executive branch of the US Government.
But you knew that, no?
And Bernie was in charge of a provincial town, population 42,000, in the second least populous state in the US.
But you knew that too, no?
Did I miss anything in their respective executive experience records?
No. But you knew that.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Wow. Wouldn't have thought you would double-down on that one.
So you cherry-pick one small piece of Bernie's record and ignore his congressional and senate career and then cherry-pick one small piece of Hillary's and embellish it ridiculously????
Your statement "Hillary has a record of running the country." is just flat out ridiculous. That in and of itself, means continuing this with you is fruitless.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)And perhaps you can tell me how Bernie's legislative experience figures into his executive record.
He proposed and passed bills in Congress. He didn't run any administrative entity since he stopped being Mayor of Burlington.
Never thought you needed a lecture on legislative vs administrative branches.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Sheesh. Have you taken a second to just realize the ridiculousness of your statements?
So Sec of State is executive experience now? And then saying because it's part of the executive branch? So those people on the Veteran's committees in congress - do they all have war experience too? What about people like Sen Grassley - does he have narcotics experience because he's on the narcotics committee???
Thanks for some of the best laughs I've had on this board. Wow. Just wow.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)If you can, congratulations! you now know the difference between a legislative position and an executive one.
But if you can't, I am afraid you are hopeless.
revbones
(3,660 posts)You're really not going to admit how ridiculous it was for you to say she has experience running a country?
Bernie had a staff as a member of congress, she had a staff as Sec of State. Neither has ran a country.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)beastie boy
(9,385 posts)And even if he did, he is still only a nine-month-old Democrat.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Seems like Politics is nothing but supporting a sports team for Hillary supporters.
Shit like this is why I quit calling myself a Democrat in 2010.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)I am concerned about politicians changing their labels for their convenience.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)On a dime's notice?
Oh wait. She's now a progressive.
That makes everything ok right?
I am still laughing.
Wait till she signs TPP and your job goes to Vietnam to a 60 cent an hour worker.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And THAT is exactly what is now wrong with the Democratic Party!
Bernie is more about Democracy than she could ever be.
No...More...Clintons...Ever!
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)She served 8 years in the senate (two of which she spent 98% of her time campaigning and fundraising), that's it, plus four years as an appointed Diplomat where she had a horrid record and had to be replaced by Kerry, because she disagreed with POTUS believing war was the only diplomatic solution for everything.
I can't believe I have to post his Democratic credentials yet again but here you have it
He caucused with the Democrats for, 16 years in the United States House of Representatives, 10 years in the United States Senate;
where he served on many committees Representing the Democratic party such as the:
Committee on the Budget (Ranking Member)
Committee on Environment and Public Works
Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Subcommittee on Green Jobs and the New Economy
Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
Subcommittee on Energy
Subcommittee on National Parks
Subcommittee on Water and Power
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Subcommittee on Children and Families
Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging (Ranking Member)
Committee on Veterans' Affairs (chairman)
He has every right to expect respect from those he served with such loyalty and in so many capacities.
The Democratic party must consider him a true blue ally to have given him seats on so many committees.
He was also a founder of the Democratic Progressive caucus.
It appears to me the only one's that are offended by his Independent status are all the Moderate Republicans that are far less honest and register as "Democrats" while voting for Republican policy, those "Democrats" are most often both conservative and liars, among them Hillary Clinton.
PSPS
(13,607 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Doesn't mean shit. She is NO Democrat. She is more GOP than anything else. She hangs in the same troughs as they do.
Cha
(297,446 posts)postulater
(5,075 posts)I have never been a Democrat, yet I have always voted for Democrats.
I vote for the person not for a party. Sometimes I hold my nose and vote Democrat as a vote against a worse option.
There are lots of Wisconsin voters like me who don't give a crap what party a candidate allies with. We vote for a person.
beastie boy
(9,385 posts)He is also running for a person, not a party.
postulater
(5,075 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)Policy matters. Her past and present actions and words matter. She has already lost in my view.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)bwahahahahahahha
I already know the answer to that...
840high
(17,196 posts)SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Hillary is the Goldman Sachs establishment candidate while Bernie is the people's candidate.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/clintons-93-million-romance-wall-street
fbc
(1,668 posts)Red Oak
(697 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)and are left with 26% of the electorate! somehow it has to be YOUR FAULT
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,103 posts)He's a Democrat of convenience. Few would pay attention to him if he ran as a Socialist.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)I really do not think anyone is unaware that Bernie was an independent, who caucuses with the Democrats.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:42 PM - Edit history (1)
I was at the Hillary rally in Eau Claire when she said that.....the crowd certainly did applaud!
azmom
(5,208 posts)Stand for transparency in government not hiding work related work product in secret servers.
Shame on her.
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)She is not the target of the FBI investigation.
Her use of a private email server was not "secret" nor illegal and was approved by the State Department, like the prior two Secretaries of State's private email use.
No public records were "hidden" by the use of the private server.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)here to take it back.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)With our help by the way.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)gg4usa
(83 posts)I love Bernie. He is my senator. He has been a senator for a long time and knows the ropes. He voted against the Iraq war - which is a ++. Hillary has been in the trenches a long time. First she had to realize her Republican family was in the wrong and switch to the Democrat party - not something one does lightly. She has worked hard - for healthcare, for equal rights, as Secretary of State and she knows what to expect from the opposition because she has fought against it. She thought she had the nomination last time, but Obama swept it up, negating her super delegates and coming out on top. The same thing is happening now - with Bernie. This is basically her last chance. She stuck by her man and continues to be condemned for it (although Bill seems to get off scot-free). I'm sorry, but I want to hand her the nomination - she handled the Benghazi hearings expertly, like a President - patiently but with an undertone of sarcasm (which it deserved for it's obvious attempts to scapegoat her). As Secretary of State she has learned things that Bernie would need some time to pick up. She is ready out-of-the-box. She is SMART. She will make a great president. She deserves the presidency.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)I smell desperation.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)Just another "owned" Democrat.
Owned by the 1%ers that give her $$.
Personal and campaign.
Where can I get a job making $225,000 per speech.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)If Democrats can't accept a political immigrant into the primary how can we call ourselves pro immigrant?
Or do we succumb to the same ignorance as the ones we mock?
Kall
(615 posts)... setting aside that Sanders always caucused with the Democratic Party since she doesn't think that matters, one would hope the fact that an Independent running in the Democratic party is doing so well, in particular with young people who will be voting for the next 60-70 years, and doing so much better than any of them expected, would provoke some introspection as to what the Democratic Party should perhaps do to appeal to more people, but nope. Full speed ahead into the TPP and single-payer health care "never, ever" happening, cap'n.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Kim Davis was a Democrat all her adult life, too. So was Zell Miller. Joe Lieberman.
Long-time registration doesn't impress me, sorry.
Bassomar
(58 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)That make me want to be an independent......
She isn't the only one.
mudstump
(342 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Makes my skin crawl.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)That doesn't sound like a Democrat to me.
Vinca
(50,299 posts)Gothmog
(145,433 posts)Sanders and the traitor Nader share a love of stating that there is no difference between the Democratic and Republican parties and have even used the same sad terminology. Sanders first used the same terminology of stating that there are no differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican party when he ran as a spoiler for governor. http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed
After Sanders used this termination, Nader joined in first http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/30/ralph-nader/nader-almost-said-gore-bush-but-not-quite/
"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.
"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."
Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."
Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."
Sanders needs to back down from this crap if he wants to speak at the national convention
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)the trenches, in the marches and the protests..
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)And propping up Bill with DOMA, DADT, NAFTA.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Proud of lying about Bernie?
Proud of her opposition to a $15 an hour minimum wage?
Proud of her opposition to same sex marriage (until the wind changed)?
Proud of her support for more trade deals sending jobs over seas (until the wind changed)?
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)It's what you do that matters.
mulsh
(2,959 posts)She's right about that and no amount of bad mouthing can change that fact. get over it folks.
[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders|
yurbud
(39,405 posts)following the teachings of the church more faithfully for more of his life than those lifelong members.
Arizona Roadrunner
(168 posts)Traditional Democrats take as their frame of reference the New Deal. New Democrats take as their frame of reference Corporate America. Follow the money folks! Whether she admits it, knows it or is ignoring it, she is and will be a shill for corporate interests first and foremost.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... then, she admittedly decided to challenge the conventional wisdom by working through "the system". We saw how far that philosophy went by the time of the Clinton White House... Nothing learned, as evidenced by all that same conventional "wisdom" creating the same predictable misery for most Americans who are still told to to methodically work through an even MORE corrupt system. Talk about never getting ahead.
Re-wind back again to the 60's when Bernie Sanders went up in front of that same conventional wisdom that excluded justice for his fellow man and woman...
There IS no question as to who has been AWAKENED ALL THESE YEARS.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)JoFerret
(10,704 posts)Some have called him a moocher and a carpetbagger. While that is too harsh there is an element of truth to it.
He certainly is clear that he is not a Democrat although he has been happy to accept money from Democrats (including Hillary in 2006) for his previous election bids.
And this is in keeping with his "We'll see" remark on Maddow when asked whether he would help down-ticket candidates.
riversedge
(70,267 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)is not Third Wayward enough."
liberalhistorian
(20,819 posts)What he is is a REAL and TRUE Democrat, the kind that would never stomach this third way repub-lite corporate shill bullshit. You know, like FDR, Truman, Kennedy (especially RFK) and, yes, even Johnson (with the exception of Vietnam; if it weren't for him, we wouldn't have Medicare and Medicaid and many other programs).
Hillary the war hawk, third way, corporate shill, Wall Street speaker doesn't even come close.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Bernie was never a Republican! And he has always caucused with the Democrats.
0rganism
(23,960 posts)back and forth, both sides, "Bernie wasn't a Democrat until 2015", "Hillary was a Goldwater Girl in 1964", on and on with the cantankerous bullshit.
looks like primary season has brought out the worst in this forum.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Shows what a versatile talent she has is, I suppose.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)I do not think that word (Democrat) means what she thinks it means.
greymouse
(872 posts)Liberal, ROTFLMAO.