How many voters has Sanders lost because of his followers?

I use to like Bernie but that went away months ago. I am so glad he isn't going to be in the general.

who is going to cost us the White House.

I'll be glad if we're allowed to assess blame upon her supporters for that loss.

He can't even win the nomination

See what I did there.

I love how the HRC crew still pushes that against every poll.

I trust a random sample of voters more than someone's spidey senses telling them who can win.

She's recieved 2.3-million more votes than Sanders. A million and a half more than Trump.

Loser indeed.

and his almost total MSM black out of his campaign in the beginning. If we didn't have the Internet, most people would not even know he was running. If you think his supporters are angry now, wait until after Clinton steals the nomination. You can have a quiet revolution or a riot revolution, but either way revolution is coming. You can't suppress people for this long and not have violence. Believe it or not, Bernie is the safety valve right now. All bets will be off if Bernie loses. This is what the comfortable Hillary supporters don't understand.

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How is the DNC suppressing Sanders?

Any perceived MSM black out of his campaign ended months ago. It's been wall-to-wall Sanders for a while. Perhaps you don't realize that next to Trump, Sanders gets more media exposure than any of the remaining 5 candidates, while Hillary comes in 4th, leading only Kasich. It was Sanders himself who admitted that one of the two reasons he ran as a Dem was to get media exposure he wouldn't have received as an Indy. Seems that worked out just fine.

How is it stealing the nomination when you have 2.3-million more popular votes, 220 more pledged delegates and 400 more super delegates than Sanders? It's Sanders - not Hillary - who is talking about contesting the convention, even if Hillary is way ahead in pledged and super delegates.

Who is being suppressed? Isn't everyone allowed to vote? Don't any rules in place effect all candidates the same? It's not like there's one set of rules for Hillary and another for Sanders.

What do you mean by "all bets will be off" if Sanders loses?

If before your state votes, the super delegate of that state already gives their vote to a candidate, something is hinky. The same goes for a super delegate who refuses to vote for the candidate that won their state, someone has been bought off. There is no way around it, the DNC has bribed and threatened super delegates to vote for Clinton.

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If you are so easily influenced you should resign. You post sounds like Clinton trolling. I don't buy it. Most Bernie supporters I know are very pleasant and nice. Just like most Clinton supporters but all I hear is how bad Bernie supporters are and anyone who buys into this is refusing to accept that both sides have their weirdos but they are not the majority. Stick to the issue and ignore these personality smears is my advice.

if she is elected, and all I have to do is look at what she has done in the past and what she proposes for the future, and the future of this country and it's lesser people, looks bleak.

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That's no different than if i said I won't vote for Hillary if she becomes the nominee because someone in her camp on DU pissed me off. Take your phone off the hook when you go to bed.

as someone with an elderly relative in assisted living who has a serious heart condition and I would not want to be bullied and harassed into being incommunicado in case of a late night emergency. It's no "LOL" matter, in my opinion. I would feel the same way if it were HRC supporters making the calls.

Cheesy appeals to emotion are just as repugnant.

called upon to make a life or death decision for a loved one, when you are the only relative living in the area. It is not a "cheesy" experience. I don't know why you would want to diminish something like this and insult me as "repugnant" for pointing out that many people have valid reasons to keep their phone on the hook, but a glance at your transparency page is rather telling. I have been deeply involved in a loved one's health crisis for the past year and a half and I am appalled by your insensitivity, presumptuousness, and gratuitous nastiness.

Nasty put-downs of emotion are just as repugnant.

where your vote affects thousands of lives.

It is stupid and bizarre, isn't it? What a line of reasoning.

I read the entire article and was sorry I wasted my time. There's nothing more to it other than what you write.

Either one of two things--the LA Times is desperate for a topic to write about re Bernie, or this is Pt. 2 of a Clinton Bernie Bros smear. And if that's all you've got ("some of your supporters are zealots&quot , then you don't have much.



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more vociferous supporters are doing their best to alienate people who are still making up their minds?

and a big game to others. Which are you?

Being civil gets you further toward where you want to be, than rudeness and disrespect.

But I don't change my vote because someone sounded rude. That is someone who is more immature than the person they accused. There has been incivility on both sides. The accusations are hollow from either. This will continue until after the primary so might as well ignore it.

mutually destroying each other and thus allows the survival of a very violent human species.

It is NOT just a "nice" social afterthought. It's literally what allows civilization to arise and flourish.

That so many do not seem to "get" this makes me wonder how they themselves get along with others in the real world.

They only come up for survival forays to the local 7-11.

More Cheetos, more Skittles and more Vodka or Pabst Blue Ribbon.

You have no idea how I spend my days. Certainly not by getting drunk. I think and inform myself about what's going on instead of just accepting one candidate's word or going along with sold out corporate media.

I have been working to get money out of politics and to help the environment instead of just taking care of myself and my bottom line. I care about yours and my children and grandchildren.

I do get frustrated with Hillary supporters with stars in their eyes, unable to see the true Hillary and taking the Democratic Party and this country down with them. We don't have time to waste to help people and the environment we live in survive.

I suspect that you are NOT being talked about in the LA Times article.

Unless you do THIS, you're NOT the target:

NOT!

Like, say, not kicking people out of a particular forum without providing an explanation.

It's a good thing no one here at DU is ever that un-civil.

I can't tell you how much I despise these "supporters" that have taken Presidential candidates of all parties and stripes to new levels of religiosity.

The Berniacs are as bad as the Trumpets, maybe worse. Trump's followers are usually too stupid to do anything but throw a punch or two whenever he shows up, but the Berniacs are fully aware of what they are doing, and why, but still do it as if ordered by the Spiritual Master.

At our local Dem club and committee meetings, the Bernistas are there jumping up and down and acting as if we all agree with them. Annoying as hell when Hillary actually seems to have a majority; but the Hillarians shut up about it and let the thing run its course.

I am officially and unofficially noncommital. I sent in my absentee vote for the primary, but I'm not telling anyone who I voted for.

It's why my avatar ain't Bernie. As to whether they're actually supporters here, who knows.

as a Bernie supporter. How refreshing.

Jumping up and down? Sorry but we are enthusiastic for our candidate and even more so for his ideas. Excuse me but enthusiasm and true patriotism is good for the country and the Democratic Party if we are to win in the fall up and down the ticket. We could use a change in our congress to get some real answers to our problems.

I don't care if Hillary still wins, she's wrong on a lot of important things so I question those who support her, if not out loud mentally at least. Republicans vote against their own self interests and I guess Dems do too.

but where did it go two years later when he lost the House and then eventually became almost a pariah in his own party.

This Bernie stuff is too much like religious revival, with about as much substance.

I like Bernie just fine, myself, but I don't see him as a shiny new object of adoration.

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Nervous about something?

isn't you that is subject to such inappropriate behavior. Bet you'd feel differently if it was you. And just who are any of you to think that you can bully anyone into selecting a particular candidate? Makes you more of a trumplinka type than a Democrat which makes me think that many of these clods are not and have not been Democrats until Bernie decided it was fashionable for trying to win the presidency.

It's crass and very much in line with what the R frontrunner's supporters are about.

I would be too if some fanatic called me at 2:00 in the morning and started harassing me.

Right now I have a 95 year old mother and an 87 year old mother in law, both of whom are failing. MIL has been in the hospital since December 29.

A 2 AM call gets my adrenaline pumping since it could be the call that tells me I have another family crisis or another funeral to attend. Even if the call turned out to be nothing to worry about, until that adrenaline is out of my system, there is no going back to sleep.

If it were some fanatic trying to convince me to support their candidate, that rush of fear for a loved one would turn into antipathy for whoever they are supporting.

Your lack of sympathy is noted and your snark reflects badly on your candidate.

from some idiot breathing heavy and telling me how sexy I am....the creep factor alone is right up there.. But people do some weird shit. Is each campaign responsible for every single voter or person out there? This is probably the most ridiculous thing
I've heard. BTW, perhaps the Democratic Party shouldn't have Supers?

That line last night about having the most pledged super delegates was pretty disgusting... Too bad what y'all think or want, I'm inevitable, boo all you want.

I mean, he can't win anyway, right?

So get used to those 2AM phone calls to the thick-headed. Imagine millions of them coming to our Congressmen after Bernie's election.

that attitude at their own Reps and Senators and governors, it would be more helpful than expecting someone to change their vote in the hope that one guy will wave his hand and change the ugly world we live in. It takes and entire system, no president can change everything you want to change, it requires that citizens work at the local level to make their government work for them. Being jerks only makes enemies.

as those supporters harassing the superdelegates. It will only backfire on you.

for you to be accused of committing that federal offense, should those phone calls happen. You have just made yourself a suspect who can be easily found.

The cake was baked 8 years ago. I still support Bernie, but his chances of overturning a primary election that had already been decided were slim from day one. All things considered, he's done really well.

How'd that work out for her.

Bernie hasn't been able to turn as many hearts and minds as you'd like.

That's not your fault, it's just the way it is this time around.

When they went after John Lewis and Gloria Steinem, I decided I've had enough of Bernie Bros.

It was John Lewis who went after Bernie and then proceded to endorse a candidate who labeled black kids as superpredators 20 years ago.

But you got turned off from Bernie because they went after him and some idiots calling themselve "Berniebros" as a continuation of Hillary's dirty tactics against Obama using the same tactics?

Gloria Steinem is a well known transphobe who uses her position to demonize an entire group of people who's been persecuted for as long as Christianity has existed. So who do you support? Trans people or transphobes`who wants to deny trans women their civil rights?

Lewis lied. Knew he was lying too so he deserves the acrimony.

Steinem outed herself as what she'd always been...the sort of feminist that believes that she is the sole arbiter of legitimacy for women. If Gloria disapproves, then to Gloria...it's anti-feminist. Old, crummy, anti-intersectional, concerned solely with the interests and concerns of middle-and-upper-class white-women who buy into her second-waver bullshit. She's also homophobic and transphobic.

You forgot Dolores Huerta, the bigot who thinks she speaks for all Latinos.

You know, it's both important and good to slaughter your idols metaphorically. They're just imperfect people. In this case, they're imperfect people supporting a monster like Hillary Clinton.

...rude, interrupting, unprepared, hysterical...it's no wonder why he's losing.

You must be very confused.

opponent is an angry, rude, self-entitled jerk who can't accept that the fact that he has no path to the nomination.

The rude one was standing on the viewer's left.

The statement is a lie on its face -- Sanders never had your vote so he obviously did not lose it.

Behave.

If you think I'm going to sit back and remain silent, as they spew their lies and disinformation, you are sadly mistaken.

The L.A. Times trying to be nice and diplomatic.

I'd replace spirited with spoiled.

Sorry...

There just seem to be a lot of bratty people (not all) in that tribe and many post on DU.

8:00 am, I would assume it to be a "rat-fuck" type call.

are his worst enemy. I wouldn't let it affect my vote if I were inclined to vote Sanders, but SOME of his supporters and their virulent anti-Hillary rhetoric have left me with a more negative feeling about him than he probably deserves. I kind of steer away from any Bernieism because I don't want to deal with the hate. Too bad, because I was convincable before things got ugly.

The ideologies of Clinton and Sanders are so far apart that the idea of someone on the fence between the two is not very credible. One would need to be ignorant of the stark policy differences between the two candidates, and if one was prepared to switch from one to the other it would signify a vote cast for the most shallow of reasons.

Just pointing that out.

.....it is 3 hours earlier on the west coast, not later.

Opps.

I would call SDs at 2 am and demand that they vote for Bernie.

of the fundamentals of human psychology.

But, they're young. Lacking in experience of "real politic". Harassment techniques are NOT taught in Poli. Sci. 101.

...is a mild way to name them. Some sincerely feel Hillary Clinton is evil - so treating the super-delegate in this manner is understandable. The one awoken has not yet had the awakening.

A scary crew.

the nominee of our party.

A good portion of the fan base strikes me as deeply dangerous.

He is obviously too easily manipulated to have such an important position.

...in the middle of the night and threatening them.

I can't believe it.

IMHO anyone who supports it should be PPR'd.

My god- what is wrong with you people??????

blew it last night. This is all flack trying to hide that fact.

Sanders supporters are known to be a spirited bunch. But as their frustration mounts over their candidate’s failure to significantly cut into Clinton’s lead, no small number of them are lashing out in ways that are not particularly helpful to his campaign.

There is the activist in Chicago who unleashed a movement to “harass” superdelegates backing Clinton, with an online “hit list” complete with delegate phone numbers and some home addresses. There are the online trolls who have come to be known as "Bernie bros," who attack journalists, politicians and fellow voters they perceive to be pro-Clinton with misogynistic, often vulgar attacks. There are the campaign surrogates -- some of them high-profile -- who use language the campaign finds itself having to walk back.

I think that the frustration of many of his supporters is that they see the nomination slipping from his fingers.

Who are scared to death of the possibility of a Sander's Presidency.

Have the Hillarians forgotten about PUMA in 2008? A group so incensed with the reality of Hillary losing that they committed to voting for McCain/Palin.

https://newrepublic.com/article/121584/hillary-clintons-pumas-once-die-hard-supporters-arent-sold-2016


After the primaries, Wilson and many of her fellow PUMAs began openly supporting the McCain-Palin ticket, hoping a Republican win would give Clinton a window to run in 2012. But what was supposed to be a temporary flirtation with the GOP became a long-lasting political realignment.

“Just like Ronald Reagan did once, I am leaving the Democratic Party,” she wrote in a recent blog entry. “It has been a very hard choice for me. It’s the women in the party who were supposed to help Hillary in ‘08 and they did not.” Wilson instead is backing Rand Paul, the libertarian-leaning Kentucky senator who announced his candidacy earlier this month.

http://www.salon.com/2008/06/23/pumas/

Why Clinton voters say they won’t support Obama


The idea that Hillarians would never in a million years act out in a similar fashion if the shoe was on the other foot is hillarious. Please stop your holier-than-thou gloating.

Of course there will be a few that will get too emotionally charged up and act out. That should be expected on all sides, especially those that are behind in numbers.

Most of us Bernie Sanders supporters, even if he loses, will restrain ourselves to writing a few choicely worded OPs to vent our frustration. Frustration that so many Democrats, and the USA as a whole, have missed a once in a lifetime opportunity to at least start to initiate REAL positive change, untainted by big dirty money, that is desperately needed and also bring REAL Democratic party values back into the party.