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tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:47 PM Apr 2016

More Than 300,000 California Voters Accidentally Registered for Ultra-Conservative Political Party

Source: New York Magazine

The American Independent Party, an ultra-conservative political party in California that opposes abortion rights and same-sex marriage and wants to build a Trump-esque fence along the entire United States border, is bigger than all of California's other minor parties combined. With more than half a million members, the AIP calls itself the "fastest-growing political party in California." <snip>

...misled by the word "independent" in the AIP's name, thousands of people accidentally declared their allegiance to a party whose beliefs don't align with their own. And while independent voters (those who checked "no party affiliation&quot can vote in the state's closed Democratic presidential primary, those registered with the far-right party cannot.

As the Times points out, the mistake could have real consequences in the upcoming California primary, which is one of the most important for candidates in both parties. Although voters still have time to change their registration before the May 23 deadline, there's a good chance many won't find out about the mishap until it's too late. But the AIP's chairman, Mark Seidenberg, blamed the mishap on people's ineptitude when it comes to paperwork. "I'm sorry that people got confused," he said.

Read more: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/360000-californians-register-for-wrong-party.html




You can check your California registration online to be sure (by County):

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/registration-status/

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More Than 300,000 California Voters Accidentally Registered for Ultra-Conservative Political Party (Original Post) tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 OP
It's a DNC plot. RandySF Apr 2016 #1
Most likely not..... Red Mountain Apr 2016 #3
I think they forgot to add maxsolomon Apr 2016 #30
As much as I dislke the DNC and DWS MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #20
Actually.... I think this one is just dumb luck and lack of attention. RiverNoord Apr 2016 #48
Most likely egalitegirl Apr 2016 #61
LOL~! MADem Apr 2016 #67
Get the word out any way you can! SoapBox Apr 2016 #2
It really doesn't matter much because CA has open primaries anigbrowl Apr 2016 #32
California Semi-closed Primary Tue, June 7 Californians must register as Democrat or .... agracie Apr 2016 #40
Is this OP X-POSTED in the California Group here? appalachiablue Apr 2016 #44
Sorry… dhill926 Apr 2016 #4
Yeah, this story has cycled around before, that word independent always grabs some. braddy Apr 2016 #5
That is exactly right still_one Apr 2016 #6
actually it is confusing tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #10
You wrote: stopbush Apr 2016 #27
What 'stopbush' said. RiverNoord Apr 2016 #49
No, it says "American Independent Party" csziggy Apr 2016 #53
The first time I registered in CA ('85) alittlelark Apr 2016 #7
Gotta love some "independents." joshcryer Apr 2016 #8
More proof that 'Independents' are hardly liberals. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #9
Goldwater liberals? tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #12
It's just criminal to be 16 and following your parents' lead, isn't it? Hekate Apr 2016 #15
uh, that recording is not of her at 16 tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #16
You aren't getting the message, Hekate! Duval Apr 2016 #46
You got it, tomm2thumbs! Duval Apr 2016 #45
300,000 too-rich-to-be-literate voters speaks volumes about those Independents Bernie supporters Jitter65 Apr 2016 #11
I don't drink or smoke pot. FlaGranny Apr 2016 #17
Are you an independent in Cali? snooper2 Apr 2016 #18
No, actually FlaGranny Apr 2016 #19
The "ignore button" works very well. Duval Apr 2016 #47
A Belated Happy Birthday!! n/t FlaGranny Apr 2016 #62
Nicely done in insulting an entire block of voters... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #42
They still have time to change their registration away from the party of Geo Wallace, segregationist Hekate Apr 2016 #13
you funny tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #14
Somehow I don't believe you really mean this. Duval Apr 2016 #24
Why would I not mean this? I am a lifelong Dem and a Californian. Hekate Apr 2016 #34
American Independent Party, huh? Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #21
Most indys should register under the "idiot party" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2016 #22
I'm guessing this site is too biased to the point of supporting EXTREME DEMOCRATIC Zira Apr 2016 #31
Well, you've been here just over a month... Hekate Apr 2016 #35
I'm a Democrat ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2016 #57
Independents make up 40% of voters now, while Democrats are down to barely appalachiablue Apr 2016 #60
A huge mistake. Duval Apr 2016 #23
RW ultra-conservative 'Party' uses the word Independent in their name when the word should be Con. Sunlei Apr 2016 #25
The year was 1967. They were a breakaway party. They get to call themselves what they like. Hekate Apr 2016 #36
People need to read a document before they sign it. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #26
I wonder how many will blame Hillary when they can't vote WhiteTara Apr 2016 #28
Nobody because CA is an open primary state anigbrowl Apr 2016 #33
actually it's only sort of open WhiteTara Apr 2016 #37
Thanks for that clairification anigbrowl Apr 2016 #38
... WhiteTara Apr 2016 #39
American Independent didn't pull that name out of the air. It's deliberate. Xithras Apr 2016 #29
Same in New York. djg21 Apr 2016 #58
Another one of those "unfortunate accidents"..I guess... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #41
Like "Jews For Buchanan" in the 2000 election, Florida. muntrv Apr 2016 #43
Not found ghostsinthemachine Apr 2016 #50
Make sure to try your CDL # if you didn't. Mine worked when I did that. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #51
Where can I do that? ghostsinthemachine Apr 2016 #54
Its part of info they ask for in my county. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #56
Independents still wouldn't be able to vote. procon Apr 2016 #52
Sort of a Darwin Award for voter registration. yardwork Apr 2016 #55
All the people here who are uncaring about voter disenfranchisment Lordquinton Apr 2016 #59
Banana Republic. We need Voter Oversight. libdem4life Apr 2016 #63
maybe they should go ahead and take over the party now that they're registered as members Bucky Apr 2016 #64
Somehow I doubt that is an accident. Unicorn Apr 2016 #65
If you cannot commit to being a democrat, you shouldn't get to participate in the selection. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #66
Careful, there. Declaring openly here that you're a Democrat might get you alerted. baldguy Apr 2016 #69
People get taken in by the RW lie that "Democrats are just as bad as Republicans" and get screwed. baldguy Apr 2016 #68
Voter IQ test? Adrahil Apr 2016 #70

Red Mountain

(1,733 posts)
3. Most likely not.....
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

though it is of some concern to me that your first reaction is to attempt to drive another wedge into our party.

Why is that?

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
20. As much as I dislke the DNC and DWS
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

I doubt that they would do this.
This is more likely the work of GOTP operatives.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
48. Actually.... I think this one is just dumb luck and lack of attention.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:58 PM
Apr 2016

There really is such a party, it met the criteria in the state to be on the voter registration list, and its name was accurately represented on the documentation.

I don't think that California is able to include 'don't sign up with these creeps - they're racist neo-Nazis!' on the documentation...

 

egalitegirl

(362 posts)
61. Most likely
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

Many people are naive and believe that the DNC does not get money from Wall Street and does not support the Military Industrial Complex and does not support going to war and that the Clintons are not close friends and partners of the Bush family. So yes, you are right that the DNC could have done this.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
67. LOL~!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

Sounds to me like a "Failure to read the fine print" plot!

"Duhhhhhh....it's got 'Independent' in it, so it MUST be GOOD!"

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
2. Get the word out any way you can!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

Facebook, Twitter, phone calls, just TALK it up!

I was actually surprised that the Times covered it...hope it didn't cut into their 24/7 Rump and PukeBagger coverage...

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
32. It really doesn't matter much because CA has open primaries
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:20 PM
Apr 2016

Also New York magazine =/= the New York Times just because they both have the words 'New York' in them. It's ironically amusing that you'd make this mistake on a thread about people mistakenly signing up for a party they probably don't want to be a member of.

appalachiablue

(41,137 posts)
44. Is this OP X-POSTED in the California Group here?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:43 PM
Apr 2016

*Another Post from Yesterday, *Impt. CALIFORNIA VOTING Info., Contacts, Registration Deadline:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/104013623

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
10. actually it is confusing
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:45 PM
Apr 2016

Online registration is actually confusing -- the form implies that selecting the correct option means you won't be able to vote for President. Instead of saying "select if you have No Party Preference" they say choose this if you do not want to DISCLOSE a political party preference (implying that you may have a preference but don't want to disclose it.) Those are two different things.

here is the wording from the site (emphasis mine)

No, I do not want to disclose a political party preference. *
(If you select no, you may not be able to vote for some parties' candidates at a primary election for the U.S. president or party committee.)

_____

Further, it says American Independent, not American Independent PARTY, so it is not clear that is an actual party just by those two words alone.

_____

Lastly, some of those who made the error were VERY involved in politics, so this 'paying enough attention' wouldn't necessarily apply. Among the 300,000 or so were Patrick Schwarzenegger, son of the former governor (a family spokesman said he now plans to change his registration), Geralyn Buscaino, wife of Los Angeles City Councilman Joe Buscaino, and Jennifer Siebel Newsom, wife of Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom -- oh, and even two staff members of The Times.

_____

Also, I was VERY MUCH paying attention while changing my affiliation online, and made the error. With all the strange things going on in Arizona, something told me to check further into it and that is when I realized I had done the same thing, so I updated it manually.










stopbush

(24,396 posts)
27. You wrote:
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

Further, it says American Independent, not American Independent PARTY, so it is not clear that is an actual party just by those two words alone.

Q: does the form use the word "party" for the D and R choice?

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
53. No, it says "American Independent Party"
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:25 PM
Apr 2016

At the top of this link they show a close up of the voter registration form:
http://static.latimes.com/american-independent-party-california-voters/
I can't show it here - it is a GIF.

It's unfortunate that since they list the parties in alphabetical order, AIP is first, followed by "Democratic Party," "Green Party," Libertarian Party," "Peace and Freedom Party," and "Republican Party" - http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/qualified-political-parties/

The same site has a page for statements of purpose from each recognized party: http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/political-parties/

And a page explaining No Party Preference Information: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/

It's not as if any of this is hidden. It's more likely the people registering are not paying attention.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
15. It's just criminal to be 16 and following your parents' lead, isn't it?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

Living at home, in high school, not able to vote until 21. Deary deary me, the woman should be burned at the stake for not seeing the light until she got into college. No excuses -- not even allowing for the fact that she worked on the Eugene McCarthy campaign in '68.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
46. You aren't getting the message, Hekate!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:50 PM
Apr 2016

I'm really sorry you chose to remain uninformed. Have a nice day, though.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
11. 300,000 too-rich-to-be-literate voters speaks volumes about those Independents Bernie supporters
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:48 PM
Apr 2016

Pot and alcohol impair the brain.

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
17. I don't drink or smoke pot.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:46 AM
Apr 2016

I'm a Bernie supporter and a 76 year old woman. Don't insult me and others like that. It's not cool.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
42. Nicely done in insulting an entire block of voters...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:11 PM
Apr 2016

Coming from a camp that has screamed up about sexism and racism and dishonesty on the other side while staunclhy defending a corporate crook like Hillary.

Way to go to win that election in November if Hillary and DNC steals the election.

With this attitude, the DNC will lose an entire generation of voters and the presidency...And don't blame anyone else for ones own snotty attitude. Reminds me too much about some juvenile delinquent who follows Alex Jones.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
13. They still have time to change their registration away from the party of Geo Wallace, segregationist
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:17 PM
Apr 2016

Amazing.

I recommend that all of Bernie's fans pool their resources and start a public information campaign to round up all those strayed sheep and bring them home to the Democratic Party so they can vote for Bernard.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
34. Why would I not mean this? I am a lifelong Dem and a Californian.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

Like Hillary, the first candidate I worked for was Senator Eugene McCarthy (D), and one of the other candidates for president that year was Governor George Wallace (AIP). I remember what a rabid *hole he was then, too.

Turning 21 in 1968 was a real trip. Despite the terrible grief, one of the things that came out of that crucible for many of us was that we became lifelong Democrats because we could see the alternatives.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
22. Most indys should register under the "idiot party"
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

No, being "independent" does not make you special, jerkoff.

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
31. I'm guessing this site is too biased to the point of supporting EXTREME DEMOCRATIC
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

CORRUPTION, to expect a hide if I flag your disgusting post.

I deeply regret donating to this site and am grappling leaving because of the low brow posters like yourself.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
35. Well, you've been here just over a month...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

....and membership has its privileges: you can put everyone you don't like on Ignore, and your days will be peaceful.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
57. I'm a Democrat
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:33 PM
Apr 2016

I have been since I registered to vote at age 18.

You will not shame me on Democratic Underground.

appalachiablue

(41,137 posts)
60. Independents make up 40% of voters now, while Democrats are down to barely
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:44 AM
Apr 2016

29% and Republicans 26%. As a Democrat and American the increase in Independent voters and the steady decline of the two corporate Coke & Pepsi political parties is very important to acknowledge and take into account. That is If you're interested in winning elections. But continue denigrating "idiots", aka Independents.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
23. A huge mistake.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

Thank you for providing a link for registration online (CA voters). This will be helpful for many.


Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. RW ultra-conservative 'Party' uses the word Independent in their name when the word should be Con.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

conservative.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
36. The year was 1967. They were a breakaway party. They get to call themselves what they like.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

And since that was then and this is now, they got to call themselves what they wanted, not what you want. They got there first.

Things don't always mean what you think they mean.

WhiteTara

(29,716 posts)
28. I wonder how many will blame Hillary when they can't vote
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

for anyone except a nasty racist in the primaries.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
33. Nobody because CA is an open primary state
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

Although frankly I don't think this is such a good thing because it ends up marginalizing small parties.

WhiteTara

(29,716 posts)
37. actually it's only sort of open
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

if you state a party, that's your party primary, if you decline to state, you can vote in any party.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
29. American Independent didn't pull that name out of the air. It's deliberate.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

There's a reason why they're the biggest third party in California, and it's not because California has more Nazi's than Green's. The name was selected BECAUSE it causes confusion and gets them registered. It's the best advertising the party could ask for, and more importantly, it gets them a list of politically active people to reach out to every year.

This party is a big part of the reason why California changed the old "Decline To State" option to "No Party Preference" for independent voters. Decline To State was somewhat unclear for people unfamiliar with the party system, and it suggested that you HAVE a party and simply wish to hide it. NPP was implemented to eliminate the confusion.

I'm an NPP, and have been since the open primaries were first implemented in 2004.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
58. Same in New York.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:46 PM
Apr 2016

The Independence Party has an enrollment of persons who aren't particularly politically aware who believed they were registering as independents rather than enrolling is a minor political party comprised of crackpots. It's a travesty.

procon

(15,805 posts)
52. Independents still wouldn't be able to vote.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

California uses a semi-closed system for its primary contests. Voters registered as Democrats and Republicans can vote in those primaries, as can those without a party preference -- the unaligned voters -- can also vote. So even if someone did mistakenly registered with the wrong party, they still can't vote in either major party's primary.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
59. All the people here who are uncaring about voter disenfranchisment
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:17 AM
Apr 2016

It's one of the biggest problems we face in politics, and there are people here, on this progressive liberal site laughing about it.

Sad, sad day.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
63. Banana Republic. We need Voter Oversight.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe from one of those Latin American countries we tutored so well. Get Jimmy Carter to oversee the overseers .

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
64. maybe they should go ahead and take over the party now that they're registered as members
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

it might be a viable way to force the California Democratic Party to move in a more progressive direction

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
66. If you cannot commit to being a democrat, you shouldn't get to participate in the selection.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:26 AM
Apr 2016

Sincerely, a member of DEMOCRATIC Underground.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
68. People get taken in by the RW lie that "Democrats are just as bad as Republicans" and get screwed.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:38 PM
Apr 2016

If they're too gullible and/or stupid to register correctly after jumping through whatever hoops are necessary, am I supposed to care?

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