BREAKING: Judge Denies Request To Immediately Open Up New York Primary To Independent Voters
Source: Thinkprogress
NEW YORK, NEW YORK Independent New York voters who were hoping to gain the right to vote in the states closed primary received some disappointing news from a federal judge on Tuesday, when she denied a request for a temporary restraining order that would have opened up New Yorks primary election to all voters, regardless of party affiliation.
District Judge Joanna Seybert denied the request, and delayed a hearing on an emergency lawsuit filed Monday, which sought to open the states closed primary so that New Yorks 3.2 million independents could cast a ballot on Tuesday.
Filed by the group Election Protection USA, the lawsuit alleged that many New York voter registrations were being purged from the rolls, and that some voters party affiliations were being changed without explanation.
Jordan Chariton, a reporter for The Young Turks, reported on Twitter that the lawsuit was delayed because the plaintiffs essentially named the wrong defendants. Instead of the New York state Board of Elections, Seybert reportedly said the lawsuit should be challenging each individual countys board of the elections, because they are responsible for what happens with voter registrations.
Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/04/19/3770513/judge-decision-emergency-lawsuit-new-york-primary/
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)why should indies be allowed to influence party primary
Actor
(626 posts)appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)(*BREAKING NEWS: NOW ALSO POSTED IN LBN and GD-P)
*BREAKING: New York Judge Rules For Voters In Last Minute Primary Case*, April 19, 2016Nathaniel Downes
New York began disenfranchising millions of its citizens due to a draconian voter registration law. As a result, an emergency lawsuit (CV-16 1892) was filed in Federal District Court Monday by Election Justice USA to enable both independents and newly registered Democrats to vote in the primary. This law resulted in many people whom have been registered as Democrats were scrubbed from voter rolls without sufficient notice. The loss was so large in one borough of New York City that Mayor deBlasio raised the issue in an interview with WYNC:
"This number surprises me. I admit that Brooklyn has had a lot of transient population thats obvious. Lot of people moving in, lot of people moving out. That might account for some of it. But Im confused since so many people have moved in, that the number would move that much in the negative direction."
On top of these problems, reports are coming in of New York voters facing broken and malfunctioning machines, resulting in long lines. Add to it the usual partisan conflicts in a hotly contested primary, nobody can claim that New Yorks primary is not important.
Now the court has declined to dismiss the case, leaving the issue open for people to now petition for their vote to be accepted. This authorizes those who were denied access to the polls to cast their vote using a provisional ballot, due to the late stage of this decision. The judge also ruled that all county election offices must appear before the court within 60 days to defend their enrollment process. This order does not, however, give people who choose not to join a particular political party the opportunity to participate, leaving it only a partial answer to the issue.
For a more permanent solution, the legislature in Albany is currently working on Assembly Bill A9661, which would turn the New York primary into a full open primary.
The nature of democracy is the principle of one person, one vote. However, as Tom Stoppard put it in his play Jumpers, Its not the voting thats democracy; its the counting. By manipulating the numbers, by disenfranchising voters be it through closed primaries, voter ID laws or scrubbing election rolls, it undermines the principles upon which our nation was founded. The decision to enable people to vote in New Yorks primary today is another victory for the forces of democracy.
http://reverbpress.com/politics/battlegrounds/breaking-new-york-judge-rules-voters-primary-case/
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**This is a big win for all New York voters! This means those who legitimately should have been allowed to vote will be able to submit affidavit ballots and have their votes count!**
Actor
(626 posts)going to be able to vote for him, so why is this news now, why werent lawsuits or whatever going on months ago?
lancer78
(1,495 posts)were just discovered recently. And this is an independent group separate from any campaign.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)including casting a provisional ballot if necessary.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)There isn't any argument for it besides some pseudo-moralistic whining.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)He has them voting on provisional and then they will decide afterwards.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)could vote provisional but that those who stated independent could not vote in the closed primary.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)NEW YORK, NEW YORK Independent New York voters who were hoping to gain the right to vote in the states closed primary received some disappointing news from a federal judge on Tuesday, when she denied a request for a temporary restraining order that would have opened up New Yorks primary election to all voters, regardless of party affiliation.
District Judge Joanna Seybert denied the request, and delayed a hearing on an emergency lawsuit filed Monday, which sought to open the states closed primary so that New Yorks 3.2 million independents could cast a ballot on Tuesday.
It does seem confusing; but I think that she denied the request to open the primaries.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Other posts have better ones. But from my reading there is a two part thing, one is open it immediately, and the other is count our independent ballots. She said not to this instant, but did not so no to counting them. Does not mean loss of hope, but it also does mean much until they rule.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)was changed, your vote will count provisionally if you can be verified through your registration form. If you are independent, your vote won't count as this is a closed primary.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)But I just want the actual wording. Hate getting the half story. They just said on TYT that some places are refusing to give out provisionals, but they din't state a linkable source, so may just be anecdotal.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Only those who verify they are reregistered will have their votes counted. NO republicans can vote for a Democrat, and no independents can vote for a Democrat. Same thing, no Democrat can vote for a republican, and no independent can vote for a republican.
The BS going on that ANYONE can vote for any candidate wrong!
George II
(67,782 posts).........independents, just allowing those (very few) who feel their registrations was improperly changed to independent to vote with provisional ballots. There are very very few of those.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)It is say she is not throwing open the door, they are allowed to vote a provisional that will then be ruled upon if they do open it. It is directly in the article...again it is directly from your link...
and delayed a hearing on an emergency lawsuit filed Monday, which sought to open the states closed primary so that New Yorks 3.2 million independents could cast a ballot on Tuesday.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)They sued the wrong defendants. The judge is letting the fools amend their complaint to try to get it right. But the voters ALWAYS had a right to vote via provisional ballot. That was not at issue in the litigation and there is NOTHING in the judge's order about that.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)If their people are denying people the right to vote that still could be on them...but the DNC is the one you should sue since they do control it.
(although fools is a loaded word for people dealing with the legal system, one that is obfuscated on purpose to force people to use lawyers)
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)idea that the DNC has any power in how New York State runs its primaries?
Please proceed with your suit.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)The elections are just in charge of a small about, the rest is all the parties. I know that because I often call and chat with both the elections boards and the DNCs for each state. The election boards can give you a certain amount of information, but polices and such are all DNC and RNC. That is why the states have started defending closed elections, it is an easy way for them to save money since no one can really make a good excuse for a closed primary that is paid for by the 40% plus that are not in parties.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/can-new-york-change-to-open-primary-closed-election-voter-fraud-registration-party-changed-protest-rally/
But here, does this give you enough proof? Hope that cures you laughing fit.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)beastie boy
(9,368 posts)And it's very unlikely that the judge will rule to open the primaries anyway.
MFM008
(19,814 posts)everyone should become aquainted with the RULES.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)campaign not know about this in advance?
Did they, had they filed a suit before this?
We need to do away with these deadlines, registrations, etc., you are born you are registered and anybody can vote for anybody.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Poisoning the well...but good!!!
beastie boy
(9,368 posts)Certainly not the adults who understand the law and the consequences of their decisions.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)on election day in Nov.
Of course, I'm sure NO ONE needs their votes anyway...
beastie boy
(9,368 posts)They demand something when they are not entitled to it, but they threaten to reject the same thing they now demand when they can actually be counted.
Why don't we have a smiley of someone shooting themselves in the foot?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)beastie boy
(9,368 posts)Besides, they are likely to sit out the elections anyway, just so they can make demands after it's all over.
still_one
(92,216 posts)believe they were incorrectly registered as independents is to use provisional ballots, and determine the validity of their claims
George II
(67,782 posts)saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Who would want to subvert our party's voting process?
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)ooopsy my affiliation was "switched"
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)and voter registration forms are kept by the counties and can be verified.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)is changed it without their consent. That's what has been done in NY.
Igel
(35,317 posts)We'd rather be the victim of a crime and able to sue and imprison than say, "Oh, somebody made an error." It makes something possibly profitable and also doubles down on the victimhood.
Of course, we're always glad to say, "Oh, I made a mistake," in order to avoid being accused of a crime and be placed in legal jeopardy.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)lamp_shade
(14,836 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)Igel
(35,317 posts)Now, of course, they want it both ways.
Perhaps they'd like to vote in the primaries and be given more rights--the ability to choose between the (D) nominees for some races and the (R) nominees for others. Sort of make the primary a mini-general, a sort of electoral Napoleon, which would be appropriate given the general despotic tone.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)and now demand a judge fix it
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)on LBN. This seems pretty straightforward.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)not Republicans, not independents.
Open primaries should be gotten rid of in every state.
TeamPooka
(24,228 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)When was it reassigned to Seybert? Or was it two different cases?
beastie boy
(9,368 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)If one wants to have a say in who the Democrats select to be a candidate, then join the Democratic Party.