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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,459 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:52 AM Apr 2016

Jobless claims drop to 42-1/2 year low as labor market firms

Source: Reuters

Markets | Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:38am EDT

Jobless claims drop to 42-1/2 year low as labor market firms

- The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits unexpectedly fell last week, hitting its lowest level since 1973, suggesting the labor market continued to gain momentum despite weak economic growth.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits declined 6,000 to a seasonally adjusted 247,000 for the week ended April 16, the lowest reading since November 1973, the Labor Department said on Thursday. Claims for the prior week were unrevised.

Economists polled by Reuters had forecast claims rising to 263,000 in the latest week. Jobless claims have now been below 300,000, a threshold associated with healthy labor market conditions, for 59 weeks, the longest stretch since 1973.

The labor market is strengthening despite signs that economic growth braked sharply in the first quarter. But labor market strength, against the backdrop of weak growth and benign inflation, is probably insufficient for the Federal Reserve to move away from its policy of gradually raising interest rates.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-idUSKCN0XI1K6



News Release

TRANSMISSION OF MATERIALS IN THIS RELEASE IS EMBARGOED UNTIL 8:30 A.M. (Eastern) Thursday, April 21, 2016

UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE WEEKLY CLAIMS

SEASONALLY ADJUSTED DATA


In the week ending April 16, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 247,000, a decrease of 6,000 from the previous week's unrevised level of 253,000. This is the lowest level for initial claims since November 24, 1973 when it was 233,000. The 4-week moving average was 260,500, a decrease of 4,500 from the previous week's unrevised average of 265,000.

There were no special factors impacting this week's initial claims. This marks 59 consecutive weeks of initial claims below 300,000, the longest streak since 1973.

The advance seasonally adjusted insured unemployment rate was 1.6 percent for the week ending April 9, unchanged from the previous week's unrevised rate. The advance number for seasonally adjusted insured unemployment during the week ending April 9 was 2,137,000, a decrease of 39,000 from the previous week's revised level. This is the lowest level for insured unemployment since November 4, 2000 when it was 2,110,000. The previous week's level was revised up 5,000 from 2,171,000 to 2,176,000. The 4-week moving average was 2,168,500, a decrease of 10,750 from the previous week's revised average. This is the lowest level for this average since November 11, 2000 when it was 2,119,750. The previous week's average was revised up by 1,250 from 2,178,000 to 2,179,250.
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Jobless claims drop to 42-1/2 year low as labor market firms (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 OP
I heard Hannity say yesterday Bluerome Apr 2016 #1
Worth noting too the labor force was much smaller then whatthehey Apr 2016 #2
Service sector jobs houston16revival Apr 2016 #3
5 of America's fastest growing jobs pay less than $25,000 jtuck004 Apr 2016 #4
Did CNN give a date of publication for that information? mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #5
There are tens of thousands more lower-paying food service jobs, yet your list doesn't even mention jtuck004 Apr 2016 #6
The title of the CNN story is "5 of America's fastest growing jobs pay less than $25,000." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #7
I don't care what you read. Or think. There are lot of people hurting, puff pieces and a lot jtuck004 Apr 2016 #10
Sure there are, but median wages are also rising whatthehey Apr 2016 #13
Only if you convince them that lower-wage earners are in fact, servants. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #11
But the economy is a complete disaster.. according to Trumpster. DCBob Apr 2016 #8
Impeach Obama Democat Apr 2016 #9
Too bad I'm making less than I made 10 years ago. And, am a contractor now instead of perm. Unicorn Apr 2016 #12
Anecdotes are not data whatthehey Apr 2016 #14
Finally everyone has a position in Walmart or McD's... lets celebrate this service based economy GummyBearz Apr 2016 #15
If that's where everyone works, they are paying their median worker well over $20/hr then whatthehey Apr 2016 #17
I finally got a full time job... Alkene Apr 2016 #16

Bluerome

(129 posts)
1. I heard Hannity say yesterday
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:04 AM
Apr 2016

That we need to rescue the country from Obama, that the economy's in the toilet..

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
2. Worth noting too the labor force was much smaller then
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

So the same size job losses now are a much smaller fraction of the increased workforce. Very, and almost boringly, sound trendline here.

Usual reminders for those who always make invalid assumptions about this metric:

- It's INITIAL claims, nothing to do with expiring benefits

- Just about everyone who lost an above-board job except by choice or fault is eligible to apply

- There are 150MM+ people working, so yes there are still plenty of employed people to lay off

- It doesn't mean unemployment rolls go up by 247,000. This is a unilateral metric which ignores new hiring entirely.

- It's a fairly small part of overall labor market churn. On any given week there are about 1.25MM Americans leaving/losing jobs, slightly more than that getting new ones, and well over 5MM job openings seeking new hires.

houston16revival

(953 posts)
3. Service sector jobs
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:16 AM
Apr 2016

and still difficult for older workers

People spend, cautiously, but some retailers still struggle

Rising oil prices and food will put a damper on it all

Though there is much to celebrate out of all that

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. 5 of America's fastest growing jobs pay less than $25,000
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

"It's certainly easier to find work these days than in the depths of the Great Recession. But, a good job is still hard to find.
Among the 10 jobs projected to grow the fastest in coming years, half pay less than $25,000 a year, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And three-quarters pay less than the typical annual wage of $35,540.
Many of these hot jobs are in health care. As the country ages, more of us will need medical and personal assistance. So personal care aides, home health aides and nursing assistants, which all pay $12 an hour or less for a 40-hour workweek, are on the list, which looks at the occupations that will grow the most (in terms of numbers) between 2014 and 2024.
...




http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/18/news/economy/fastest-growing-jobs/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom


Easier for your kids to move into a life of servitude than ever...

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,459 posts)
5. Did CNN give a date of publication for that information?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:11 PM
Apr 2016

I see the article ran this week.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics used to publish something called the Occupational Outlook Quarterly. They do not publish it anymore. There is still an Occupational Outlook Handbook, though it might exist only online. Here is a link to a chart from last December:

Fastest Growing Occupations

Fastest growing occupations: 20 occupations with the highest percent change of employment between 2014-24.

Click on an occupation name to see the full occupational profile.

OCCUPATION GROWTH RATE, 2014-24 2015 MEDIAN PAY
Wind turbine service technicians Growth Rate 108% $51,050 per year
Occupational therapy assistants Growth Rate 43% $57,870 per year
Physical therapist assistants Growth Rate 41% $55,170 per year
Physical therapist aides Growth Rate 39% $25,120 per year
Home health aides Growth Rate 38% $21,920 per year
Commercial divers Growth Rate 37% $50,470 per year
Nurse practitioners Growth Rate 35% $98,190 per year
Physical therapists Growth Rate 34% $84,020 per year
Statisticians Growth Rate 34% $80,110 per year
Ambulance drivers and attendants, except emergency medical technicians Growth Rate 33% $23,740 per year
Occupational therapy aides Growth Rate 31% $27,800 per year
Physician assistants Growth Rate 30% $98,180 per year
Operations research analysts Growth Rate 30% $78,630 per year
Personal financial advisors Growth Rate 30% $89,160 per year
Cartographers and photogrammetrists Growth Rate 29% $61,880 per year
Genetic counselors Growth Rate 29% $72,090 per year
Interpreters and translators Growth Rate 29% $44,190 per year
Audiologists Growth Rate 29% $74,890 per year
Hearing aid specialists Growth Rate 27% $49,600 per year
Optometrists Growth Rate 27% $103,900 per year

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
6. There are tens of thousands more lower-paying food service jobs, yet your list doesn't even mention
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:26 PM
Apr 2016

them? Though it does hold out hope that we can all be wind turbine technicians some day. rofl:

Here's another chart from our labor folks, not nearly as optimistic, but dealing with jobs where there are 50K + openings...but alphabetical. Probably more likely where they got their data,damn sure more realistic

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/occupation-finder.htm?pay=&education=&training=&newjobs=50%2C000+or+more&growth=&submit=GO

Accountants and auditors Bachelor's degree None 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent $55,000 to $74,999
Bartenders No formal educational credential Short-term on-the-job training 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent Less than $25,000
Billing and posting clerks High school diploma or equivalent Moderate-term on-the-job training 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent $35,000 to $54,999
Carpenters High school diploma or equivalent Apprenticeship 50,000 or more 0 to 9 percent $35,000 to $54,999
Cashiers No formal educational credential Short-term on-the-job training 50,000 or more 0 to 9 percent Less than $25,000
Childcare workers High school diploma or equivalent Short-term on-the-job training 50,000 or more 0 to 9 percent Less than $25,000
Combined food preparation and serving workers, including fast food No formal educational credential Short-term on-the-job training 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent Less than $25,000
Computer and information systems managers Bachelor's degree None 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent $75,000 or more
Computer systems analysts Bachelor's degree None 50,000 or more 20 to 29 percent $75,000 or more
Computer user support specialists Some college, no degree None 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent $35,000 to $54,999
Construction laborers No formal educational credential Short-term on-the-job training 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent $25,000 to $34,999
Cooks, restaurant No formal educational credential Moderate-term on-the-job training 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent Less than $25,000
Customer service representatives High school diploma or equivalent Short-term on-the-job training 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent $25,000 to $34,999
Dental assistants Postsecondary nondegree award None 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent $35,000 to $54,999
Electricians High school diploma or equivalent Apprenticeship 50,000 or more 10 to 19 percent $35,000 to $54,999
Elementary school teachers, except special education Bachelor's degree Internship/residency 50,000 or more 0 to 9 percent $35,000 to $54,999
Emergency medical technicians and paramedics Postsecondary nondegree award None 50,000 or more 20 to 29 percent $25,000 to $34,999
Food preparation workers No formal educational credential Short-term on-the-job training 50,000 or more 0 to 9 percent Less than $25,000

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,459 posts)
7. The title of the CNN story is "5 of America's fastest growing jobs pay less than $25,000."
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:41 PM
Apr 2016

The story is based on data that come from the BLS, but there is no link to the BLS in the article. I wanted to know more about the story, such as when the data were released by the BLS.

I was playing with the hand you dealt me. The CNN story was about the fastest growing jobs, not the ones with the greatest number of openings. I wanted to see the newest information the BLS had along those lines.

The newest article I could find on the BLS website that dealt with the fastest growing occupations was the one I linked to. Wind turbine service technicians were at the top of the list. Granted, if there were only (say) 10,000 wind turbine service technicians in the country in 2014, a growth rate of 108% over the next ten years gives you only 20,800 wind turbine service technicians by 2024.

You subsequently linked to a BLS site listing occupations with over 50,000 openings, in alphabetical order. That's a different thing.

If you or CNN want to provide me with another link regarding the fastest growing occupations, I'd be more than happy to look at it.

Best wishes.

ETA: Forbes has it too. It's a listicle, and I don't click through listicles.

Here Are The 20 Fastest Growing Jobs In America

Apr 12, 2016 @ 10:23 AM 27,928 views

Katie Sola
Forbes Staff

The six professions with the highest growth rates don’t require a four-year college degree.

Many of the fastest-growing jobs in America don’t require a bachelor’s degree, and many pay less than the median income in the U.S., according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

FORBES looked at Bureau of Labor Statistics data that predicted which jobs would have the highest growth between 2014 – 2024, and included the median pay for those roles in 2014. The results might surprise you.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. I don't care what you read. Or think. There are lot of people hurting, puff pieces and a lot
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

of lying spin isn't helping them.

Best wishes to you too.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
13. Sure there are, but median wages are also rising
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

If it were true that new jobs were overwhelmingly low pay more than jobs being lost, the BLS data wouldn't look like this, which shows median pay increasing in both real and nominal terms.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t01.htm

And median data by design minimizes skewing. This number is what half the earners make less, and half more, than.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. Only if you convince them that lower-wage earners are in fact, servants.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:41 PM
Apr 2016

"Easier for your kids to move into a life of servitude than ever..."

Only if you convince them that lower-wage earners are in fact, servants; as a handful of us still like to consider ourselves simply workers and human beings. However, I absolutely understand your desire to label us as servants-- it's very self-validating for a mentally undisciplined mind.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
12. Too bad I'm making less than I made 10 years ago. And, am a contractor now instead of perm.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

I was congratulated this morning for being employed in my industry. I'm in computers.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
14. Anecdotes are not data
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

Wages are rising and jobs are increasing. Millions of people are going in the opposite direction, sure, but millions more are going in the upward arc, albeit slowly and from a brutal recession. People often seem to confuse data on improvement with claims of perfection. I have no idea why. Improvement, undeniable based on objective aggregate data, does not mean everyone is sitting on a glorious high-pay gravy train.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
15. Finally everyone has a position in Walmart or McD's... lets celebrate this service based economy
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

The CEOs and bankers sure are.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
17. If that's where everyone works, they are paying their median worker well over $20/hr then
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

Good to know.

Alkene

(752 posts)
16. I finally got a full time job...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:17 PM
Apr 2016

scrubbing toilets for less than 1/2 of what I made before the crash.
I'm a molecular biologist.
I'm over 50.

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