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silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:55 AM Apr 2016

Budget crisis follows Malloy into Clinton campaign event

Source: CT Mirror

Gov. Dannel P. Malloy was reminded Thursday there is no escaping the budget crisis, not even at a presidential campaign event: A Sandy Hook mother gently called him out in front of Hillary Clinton and the national press for cuts he is making to mental health and social services.

Nelba Marquez-Greene, whose 6-year-old daughter, Ana Grace, was among the 20 children killed at the school in Newtown, was on a stage with Clinton in the North End of Hartford when she addressed Malloy, a Clinton supporter sitting at the front of the audience.

“I’m concerned about our mental health programs and the devastating cuts that are happening right now as we speak,” said Marquez-Greene, one of five panelists at a Clinton campaign event on gun violence in a crowded YMCA gymnasium.

The audience of several hundred applauded.

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Read more: http://ctmirror.org/2016/04/21/budget-crisis-follows-malloy-into-clinton-campaign-event/



How awkward for her. Yowsa.

I took the liberty of circumventing a potential locking or hide, by researching to make sure this was a "reputable, main-stream news source first. It certainly appears to be. They are non-profit, they were locally started in Connecticut, they talk about policy, news, and such to their readers, and they have been in business for many years.

From wikipedia: The Connecticut Mirror is a nonprofit media organization in Connecticut in the United States. It is headquartered in Hartford, Connecticut. The online-only newspaper focuses on public policy and political issues in the state. It is an outlet of the Connecticut News Project, which also publishes TrendCt and ViewpointsCt.

The Mirror has 10 full- and part-time staff members, including one in Washington D.C
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Budget crisis follows Malloy into Clinton campaign event (Original Post) silvershadow Apr 2016 OP
This governor shares Clinton's values. Don't tax the wealthy; cut social services instead. Divernan Apr 2016 #1
With taxation there is no "ask." Igel Apr 2016 #10
That's so sad ReRe Apr 2016 #2
You should probably learn sharp_stick Apr 2016 #4
Well, how do YOU explain... ReRe Apr 2016 #6
Massive overestimation of revenue sharp_stick Apr 2016 #7
Excuses? ReRe Apr 2016 #8
It's always easy in your living room sharp_stick Apr 2016 #9
Advocates advocate. Igel Apr 2016 #11
The mirror is generally reputable n/t sharp_stick Apr 2016 #3
Thank you, I thought so , but it's all up to a moderator. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #5

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
1. This governor shares Clinton's values. Don't tax the wealthy; cut social services instead.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:52 AM
Apr 2016

These are horribly deep cuts. As one comment following the article states: "He chooses cuts to mental health and social services before asking the wealthy to pay some more. Priorities."



The governor has proposed cutting $34.5 million from the state Department of Mental Health and Addiction Services – a number nearly three times greater than what his commissioner indicated could be cut while preserving the safety net clients rely on. He also proposed nearly $16 million in cuts to grants for mental health and substance abuse treatment.

Clinton praised him for his leadership on winning passage of gun-control legislation after Newtown that banned some weapons and required universal background checks for the purchase of firearms and ammunition



Now I know that to Hillary Clinton, $34.5 million is peanuts - just a mere 10 dinners with George Clooney, but that and the governor's other $16 million cut for mental health and substance abuse treatment is barbaric for the segment of his state's population in need of those services.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
10. With taxation there is no "ask."
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

There is commanding, at gun point and "jail-point"--you pay, or your property is confiscated and you're sent to jail. If you don't vacate your property state marshals arrive with firearms to make sure you vacate or the marshal's garnish your accounts.

There is tax avoidance, which may be legal but isn't expedient for some groups and has been dubbed a kind of moral crime and subject to extensive shaming.

There is lobbying, which are all dubbed "corruption" and the top 5% or 10% shouldn't be allowed that constitutional right. They aren't really part of "the people," meaning, I guess, they're not really people.

There are attempts at getting out the vote and persuading voters to limit tax increases, which is a kind of public speech that the top 5% or 10% shouldn't be allowed to engage in according to many, it would seem. Again, they're not really people.

I don't see "ask" as a viable option. I mean, I guess the governor could put out a call asking people (or at least the wealthy, if not actual people) to donate to the cause. I suspect that's not what the writer means. So I take "ask" to be a weasel word to mask either government authority or rhetorical claims that rights should be denied. I think words that are manipulative should be unmasked. Honesty and transparency matter, esp. from politicians whose supporters value honesty and transparency.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
2. That's so sad
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:46 AM
Apr 2016

Ha. And I thought he was such an advocate for the people?

Well, there you go. Showing the stark difference between the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party and the People's wing of the Democratic party.

So Malloy's campaigning for Hillary now. Guess that sort of backfired on him yesterday bigtime. Shame on Gov Malloy for cutting mental health funds, whatever the reason.

The Dem Corporatists (Third Way/New Democrat/DLC/Progressive Institute/Grand Bargain--whatever name they try to hide behind) are really coming forward.

The FDR/People's branch of the Democratic Party need to take note, learn who stands on which side of the political divide and keep on keeping on.

GOTV! Go Bernie Sanders!

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
4. You should probably learn
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:12 AM
Apr 2016

at least a little bit about Malloy before spewing that 3rd way bullshit.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
6. Well, how do YOU explain...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:06 AM
Apr 2016

... the cutting of $43 million from mental health? And appearing with Hillary Clinton, the First Lady of the Third Way?

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
7. Massive overestimation of revenue
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

over the last 2 years at least and nearly a 1 billion dollar deficit to clean up by the end of the year.

There are going to be big cuts, now we see what the legislature can do. The Governors budget isn't "the budget" it's just a step in the process and it's usually the worst case scenario.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
8. Excuses?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

How can you do that for Malloy? Make excuses for him? You and I know that we could go up there and find $43 million somewhere else in the budget instead of cutting it from Mental Health. I bet it wouldn't take us one day to find $43 million to cut. It would stick out like a sore thumb to both of us.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
9. It's always easy in your living room
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:08 AM
Apr 2016

I suppose we could take the 43 mil from schools, from much needed infrastructure projects or by firing even more State workers (we may lose about 2000 of them already). They have to find a way to balance a >900 Million dollar deficit by the end of 2016. Tax increases aren't going to cut it, they tried that last time and it barely made a dent. The economy was hit hard by the recession and the jobs that are returning aren't producing anywhere near enough revenue to cover the losses.

The State has to balance the cuts and no matter what it's going to hurt a lot. The overestimation of revenue and underestimation of expenses over the last several years and Governments has come to a head.

The money has to come from somewhere and no matter where you find it someone is going to get hurt.

Dannel Malloy is one of the most liberal Governors in the country supported by one of the most liberal legislatures in the country. There is no easy way out of this.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
11. Advocates advocate.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

They are unconstrained in their advocacy. They push for one part of the system or one point to carry the day. The harder they push, the better their advocacy, even though the harder they push the more unbalanced they're asking the system to be. They simply don't make the decisions, and if their advocacy is followed they are not responsible for anything bad that might happen.

Fiduciaries have responsibility. They make decisions, and if their decisions are implemented they are most certainly responsible for anything bad that might happen. That means their decisions are tightly constrained as they have to make sure that all the priorities are minimally funded.

I was a symbolically voting board member once upon a time. I could pout, I could argue for the most extreme measures to be taken. If I argued extremes at times it was because I thought that over-stating the case might push the status quo in the direction that was good for those I was advocating for. I was pure advocate. I was in no way responsible for any decision that resulted from my advocacy. If my advocacy had horrible results, I could deny responsibility because I just sat back and watched the decision get made by those who should have been more careful.

Then the committee did an underhanded and dastardly thing, one that the organization that designated me as a board member and voter (symbolic or otherwise) had pushed for for years. I was given an actual vote. If we voted to cut something and was on the winning side, actual people were helped and hurt by my vote. If we moved resources from one group to another, I may have been helping one group but I was actively hurting another group. If I voted to suspend a program, real, live human beings would have their lives affected. It took about a day for the implications to finally soak through my thick skull, and when advocates for this or that point of view made their cases I knew that they were arguing for what helped themselves, damn everybody else and their lives. The extremism of the views was obvious--they considered only their own and simply didn't think about others at the present or implications for others for the future. It made life much easier for me that I was in no way accountable for my vote to my "constituents"--my appointing organization couldn't unappoint me. Note that the MD governor is both fiduciary and politician. He's responsible not only for the harm he does, but for those who perceive the wrong done to themselves by a decision as more important than the good done to others.

It didn't help that that year a lot of tie votes, 8-8, were looming. It was clear that there'd be a dozen votes or so in the last month that would affect thousands of people in the organization, and the committee was pretty evenly divided. Part of the reason that the chair pushed to give my organization an actual vote was because my vote would be a 17th. No ties possible without an abdication of responsibility.

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