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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:55 AM Apr 2016

Woman in leading Flint water crisis lawsuit slain in twin killing

Source: MLive

FLINT, MI – A woman at the center of a bellwether Flint water crisis lawsuit was one of two women who were shot to death inside a townhouse earlier this week.

Sasha Avonna Bell was one of the first of a growing number of people to file a lawsuit in connection to the Flint water crisis after she claimed that her child had been lead poisoned.

Bell was found dead April 19 in the 2600 block of Ridgecrest Drive at the Ridgecrest Village Townhouses. Sacorya Renee Reed was also found shot to death in the home.

An unharmed 1-year-old child was also found inside of the Ridgecrest home when Bell's body was discovered and was taken into custody by child protective services. Police declined to confirm if it was Bell's child discovered in the home.

Read more: http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2016/04/woman_in_bellwether_flint_wate.html?123



WTF?

Flint water employee found dead at Lapeer County home

LAPEER COUNTY, MI (WNEM) -
A Flint Water Department employee was found dead on April 16.

Matthew McFarland, 43, of Otter Lake, was found dead at a residence in Otter Lake by a friend. His friend called 911.

There were no signs of foul play in McFarland's death, police said. Police have not released the cause of death.

The Lapeer County Medical Examiner's Office performed an autopsy, but the results did not show an immediate cause of death, police said.

The examiner's office will perform additional tests, including a toxicology report, to determine the cause of death.

McFarland was an employee at the Flint Water Department.

His death remains under investigation.

Copyright 2016 WNEM (Meredith Corporation). All rights reserved.



Read more: http://www.wnem.com/story/31785899/flint-water-employee-found-dead-at-lapeer-county-home#ixzz46YWo5pJH


This article neglects to mention he's not just an employee, he's the plant foreman.


Doctored Document Behind the Flint Water Crisis Criminal Charges

The criminal charges brought against Michigan officials in Flint’s water crisis this week included several felonies involving tampering with evidence. The evidence in question is a doctored document that made Flint’s lead levels appear allowable under federal guidelines, making water treatment seem unnecessary—and exposing the city’s residents to unsafe drinking water.

http://time.com/4303621/flint-criminal-charges-altered-documents/?xid=gonewsedit&google_editors_picks=true
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Woman in leading Flint water crisis lawsuit slain in twin killing (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Apr 2016 OP
Sounds like the Flint Water players need to stay out of small planes. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #1
They have someone in custody so I guess we'll find out if it these murders were garden variety Akicita Apr 2016 #50
you got that right certainot Apr 2016 #69
Wow, something wicked is going on in Flint. n/t fasttense Apr 2016 #2
Something's rotten in the state of Michigan meow2u3 Apr 2016 #3
If he did, then... MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #14
+1! 2naSalit Apr 2016 #17
She is one of many people involved in these lawsuits Democat Apr 2016 #4
She's in the center of the lawsuit, according to article wordpix Apr 2016 #59
That just means she's a plaintiff rather than a witness anigbrowl Apr 2016 #67
please expound on this supposed conspiracy.nt uhnope Apr 2016 #5
Cheer up. Wilms Apr 2016 #43
holy crap-- seems like someone's getting nervous Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #6
Sure does look really fuckin bad... MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #7
Holy shit this is big! lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #8
Commmmmme onnnn... ReRe Apr 2016 #9
& what would the motivation be for assassination, given the cat is already totally out of the bag? uhnope Apr 2016 #13
Is it though? MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #16
"something bigger"-- such as? uhnope Apr 2016 #25
How the fuck should I know? MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #26
t uhnope Apr 2016 #33
Oh go pound sand! MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #34
Duh? ReRe Apr 2016 #35
yes okay it must be obvious to an elder genius, but could you explain it to the rest of us? uhnope Apr 2016 #38
OK... ReRe Apr 2016 #42
on see post #53 uhnope Apr 2016 #77
Oh I disagree... ReRe Apr 2016 #79
thank you for asking uhnope Apr 2016 #80
Detectives are taught to never believe in coincidences laserhaas Apr 2016 #15
Occam's Razor and whatnot. MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #18
Sad state of affairs laserhaas Apr 2016 #19
Indeed. MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #21
There's always somethin shady going on in MI laserhaas Apr 2016 #22
To be honest, I don't remember that one. MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #24
Rethugs became city managers and expunged laws laserhaas Apr 2016 #29
oooooh yeah...now I remember MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #30
Sounds like my rethug town wordpix Apr 2016 #60
see post #36 uhnope Apr 2016 #39
Sounds like typical American fascism at work here. nt valerief Apr 2016 #10
Silkwood Roland99 Apr 2016 #11
Bingo! ReRe Apr 2016 #37
Yes! Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #82
how many more must die before the truth...oh wait uhnope Apr 2016 #12
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #23
I agree with Juror #6. Iggo Apr 2016 #31
That cat could ball Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #48
lol uhnope Apr 2016 #51
It could be something even worse... like they knew the water was poison before they started MidwestTech Apr 2016 #27
We'll probably never know laserhaas Apr 2016 #32
Flint is third most violent city in the USA. About 5 get killed per month uhnope Apr 2016 #36
How is for detectives to find out..The fact 2 ppl laserhaas Apr 2016 #41
then get right on it, sherlock uhnope Apr 2016 #52
really? heaven05 Apr 2016 #44
And it's also one of the top most poisoned-by-its-own-government cities. About everybody per month. Iggo Apr 2016 #49
Wha...? Iggo Apr 2016 #28
like I said earlier heaven05 Apr 2016 #20
I hope... ReRe Apr 2016 #40
neither of these deaths is going to affect the poisoning investigations at all uhnope Apr 2016 #53
please laugh on heaven05 Apr 2016 #55
nice lecture uhnope Apr 2016 #56
ha, just one death is all you say? lakeguy Apr 2016 #75
Racist fascists would always consider murder against humans as a great tool, Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #61
Coincidence maybe? It is possible the deaths are not directly related to the lawsuit Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #45
Two people directly involved in the poisoning of a entire city.............. Old Vet Apr 2016 #46
The OP is known for posts on UFOs & other CTs uhnope Apr 2016 #54
What do your distractions have to do with the murders in Flint-oh lover of the truth? K&R n/t bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #57
You're flailing wildly to try to discredit a respected DU'er. What's your excuse for that? n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #62
lol. Respected by who? The minuscule Hard Fringe Left? you side with dictator Chavez over Sanders uhnope Apr 2016 #76
Stop your crap about Judi Lynn! SHE IS THE BEST OF DU, and... Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #78
well I can't argue with that logic uhnope Apr 2016 #83
You haven't been here very long and your posts/attacks on others suck-are you an abductee, uhnope? bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #81
Jimmy Carter saw a UFO. n/t TIME TO PANIC Apr 2016 #68
Finger-pointing at peers is tacky. pacalo Apr 2016 #71
Smells like organized crime, reaching into the higher levels of state govt. /nt NCjack Apr 2016 #47
Well Snyder is a repug, after all, so org. crime is a given wordpix Apr 2016 #58
Kick glinda Apr 2016 #63
This is sickening. avaistheone1 Apr 2016 #64
Sounds like a couple of "hits" to me. roamer65 Apr 2016 #65
A sound defense will be Geronimoe Apr 2016 #66
I hope this is just a coincidence Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #70
Wow. This happens with activists all over the world. I'm actually suprised that it's also happening Unicorn Apr 2016 #72
GoFundme account for Sasha Bell Unicorn Apr 2016 #73
Come on folks..... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #74
+1 bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #84

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
50. They have someone in custody so I guess we'll find out if it these murders were garden variety
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

domestic violence or gang banger related. Or something much more sinister.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
3. Something's rotten in the state of Michigan
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:10 AM
Apr 2016

I wouldn't be surprised if Synder ordered the hit on the women.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
4. She is one of many people involved in these lawsuits
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

Unless there is some evidence that she knew more than any of the other people suing, it's hard to believe this is anything more than a tragic shooting.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
59. She's in the center of the lawsuit, according to article
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:03 PM
Apr 2016

That usually means she would know details that others don't about the case

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
67. That just means she's a plaintiff rather than a witness
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:25 PM
Apr 2016

You should absolutely not rely on mainstream news reporting for any kind of legal insight. Part of why I got into studying law in the first place was frustration with the consistently poor reporting of legal cases I was interested in - eventually I just started reading judicial opinions instead of news reports in order to figure out what had actually happened. Most people in the media are too stupid/lazy to understand the workings of the legal system, and their readers are one level worse informed again.

She was among the first plaintiffs to file, but in class-action type suits the actual knowledge and expertise goes through the lawyers. The first plaintiff on the docket is sort of a figurehead but need not have any special insight into the facts of the case. Someone's name has to be on the case and it's generally the first person to file on behalf of themselves and similarly situated plaintiffs.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
9. Commmmmme onnnn...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

... how could anyone stack this up as a mere coincidence? I say get Erin Brochovich (sp?) and the Fed up there pronto, whose presence might stop the mysterious deaths now as well as eventually get to the bottom of the mess.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
13. & what would the motivation be for assassination, given the cat is already totally out of the bag?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
16. Is it though?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:04 AM
Apr 2016

If these aren't coincidences, then maybe there's something even bigger Snyder's trying to cover up.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
33. t
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

roll, the very definition...provoke a response then say "how the fuck should I know". That's not even interesting drolling. yeah ignore list for you bye

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
34. Oh go pound sand!
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

You're the one trollin here.
You're the one getting your comments flagged all the time.
You're the one projecting.
And you're ignoring me because I call you out on your BS and you can't stand it.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
42. OK...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

Run down to post #20 in this thread by DU member "heaven05". I think that will hep you understand what might be going on in Flint, MI. Peace.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
79. Oh I disagree...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:57 AM
Apr 2016

You don't live very long on this earth unless you've got your eyes and ears and gray matter in between scrutinizing what's around the corner. People can tell what is a conspiracy theory and what's not. People who aren't leery and just go along to get along, la-la-la-tra-la skipping down the road of life, allowing themselves to be used and manipulated are the ones who are not healthy.

Uhnope? I don't think I have ever noticed you this disgruntled before. What gives?

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
80. thank you for asking
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:19 AM
Apr 2016

but most people would say I'm usually much worse than this.

I agree with being leery & skeptical, but there is a line over which lies paranoia & irrationality. I think that collectively we're being more that way all the time (the Internet fosters it) so I tend to try to balance that out.

Put it this way--I'm leery & skeptical of CTs, too.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
15. Detectives are taught to never believe in coincidences
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

Empirically, the laws of probability and outcome do not bode well for the arguments of coincidence.

This duel demise of key persons is alarming

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
18. Occam's Razor and whatnot.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:06 AM
Apr 2016

The timing of the deaths of these particular people kinda makes it hard to believe it's a coincidence.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
21. Indeed.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

If theses deaths are as many suspect, then there's probably something else going on in addition to the lead in the water scandal.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
22. There's always somethin shady going on in MI
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016

remember the fleecinings by "Managers"

and how a million signatures to correct...were invalidated...due to fonts and paper poundage ratios

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
29. Rethugs became city managers and expunged laws
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

For 2 years the fleecings eere running amok

There even was a manager stating it was against the law to have rule of law....which is why over a million voters signed to end the mangers protocol

Fascism is...as fascism does

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
12. how many more must die before the truth...oh wait
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

the truth already did come out. This has been one of the biggest scandals of the year.

So what is the implication of this OP--the truth hasn't come out, and the water was really poisoned by lizards from outer space, and that must be covered up (even though these deaths won't affect the investigations at all)? Given that thousands and even tens of thousands will be covered in the lawsuits, is it really the implication that assassinating one is going to be a priority for the PTB Star Chamber or whoever? By the way, who is the whoever--do you think the governor has a team of sophisticated assassins in his employ?

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
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Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:16 AM
Apr 2016
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how many more must die before the truth...oh wait
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MidwestTech

(170 posts)
27. It could be something even worse... like they knew the water was poison before they started
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016

it's possible they already knew that changing to the river water would have this effect.
it's possible someone made a still to be discovered shit-ton of money.
Despite the circumstantial evidence... this could just be three really conveniently timed coincidences.
THAT is what people are curious about.
since the * pResidency, the number of REAL government conspiracies has actually gone up!
the cronyism that started in * reign of error has carried over...and only gotten worse it seems.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
36. Flint is third most violent city in the USA. About 5 get killed per month
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

& one lowly poisoning victim knows all the secrets how?

There are already thousands of defendants in these Flint lawsuits, btw.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
41. How is for detectives to find out..The fact 2 ppl
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

Of importance to the issue, died untimely

Warrants further investigations

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
44. really?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

gee, you got it all figured out, huh? "Lowly". Not really important, right? That's what you're saying with "one lowly poising victim"? Gee, got it all figured out and diminishing and distracting from the importance of these deaths. Well you got it all figured out, case done, finished and shelved, right? Have you even studied the effects of lead poisoning over a long period of time on a mass populace? With most of that populace being AA, didn't matter to a lot of people until they got caught in their lies and intent. I just don't understand purpose of "lowly" being used to describe a highly suspcious murder of someone involved from the beginning that made disclosure of these criminals in the stategovernment possible. "Lowly".

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
49. And it's also one of the top most poisoned-by-its-own-government cities. About everybody per month.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

So...yeah.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
20. like I said earlier
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:11 AM - Edit history (1)

concerning the OP about charges being brought against 'low level' officials in snyders administration and now these 'coincidental' killings of prominent people in the Flint water poisoning case. The sacrificial lambs are being led to the slaughter and slaughtered to 'save' the careers of the fascists that knew about this mass poisoning much earlier than they admit and possibly to try to intimidate the others involved in the lawsuit against top REPUBLICAN officials in the snyder administration. This seems pretty messy, but hell murder by PTB would be nothing new, to keep secrets, power and to maintain control of a situation that could cause potential damage, politically, to a person like snyder who would like to keep his RW legacy as clean as possible, especially if he say...wanted to run for POTUS down the road which I heard mentioned at one time in the mess media.

Murder IS NOT beneath people like snyder, et al.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
40. I hope...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

... DU member "uhnope" reads your post. He needs some help understanding what's going down with all these "coincidental" deaths in Flint. Thanks.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
53. neither of these deaths is going to affect the poisoning investigations at all
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

one is just a victim...there are tens of thousands more like her. She (RIP) doesn't know anything about the case except that she drank from the tap. Her death will not affect the case at all.

So then you have just one death of someone who worked at the plant. One person--not much of a pattern. BTW, since the poisoning came from a decision to use a different water source, workers at the plant had nothing to do with it.

And you think the governor has a death squad killing people in a sophisticated variety of ways. Wow.

This is crazed, too-much-Hollywood groundless paranoid conspiracy theory that's insulting to the actual victims of the water poisoning.

Otherwise, it's funny & entertaining.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
55. please laugh on
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:11 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:07 AM - Edit history (1)

your understanding of this situation is typical of the diminish and distract crowd. You are entiled to your spin, which is, believe me, understood in a way that does not reflect well on your relating to issues surrounding this mass poisoning in this particular community. I WILL continue to follow this situation in spite of your flawed understanding of what's important here, with the hundreds of thousands of poison victims being just one of the important factors surrounding the cause, subsequent attempted cover-up and final exposure of state government malfeasance reaching all the way into the governors office. Have a good day.

lakeguy

(1,640 posts)
75. ha, just one death is all you say?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:26 AM
Apr 2016

that's about all it takes in most cases. if you were in the middle of this case instead of on the sidelines chanting CT, i can guarantee it would silence you. or would you be the hero, with no chance for personal gain, only to live in fear the rest of you life? doesn't sound like it based on your posts.

doesn't take a death squad to get someone killed. 500 bucks or a bag of X,Y, or Z drug and an address.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
61. Racist fascists would always consider murder against humans as a great tool,
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

as long as they can hire someone to do it for them.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
45. Coincidence maybe? It is possible the deaths are not directly related to the lawsuit
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

or to each other except by timing.

Those of us familiar with Mississippi history might take a different view on suspicion that nothing helps coincidence along like a political hierarchy threatened by scandal and investigation. That is not an unreasonable proposition given the circumstances, the administration involved and the apparent level of political corruption which has been revealed thus far.

I don't necessarily suspect Snyder, though I do not rule his office or his cronies out. I would not be surprised to find someone lower on the political food chain has a hand in these deaths. If so I doubt these will be the last victims, sadly.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
46. Two people directly involved in the poisoning of a entire city..............
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

Both die within days, The man was only 43 and police have no idea of how he even died? I hope the police stay on top of this, Could be interesting.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
76. lol. Respected by who? The minuscule Hard Fringe Left? you side with dictator Chavez over Sanders
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:40 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:08 AM - Edit history (1)

like you did here http://www.democraticunderground.com/110843872

and are generally known for extreme, um, "interesting" US-always-to-blame politics. (Are you aware you linked to Axis of Logic in that thread, run by a known anti-Semite?)

So sure you have a mutual-respect society going with UFO conspiracy theoriest in that obscure little corner.

on edit: My "excuse" is that I don't like irrationality and political conspiracy theorists, especially when it clashes with human rights and progressive politics.

I'll just leave this here.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
81. You haven't been here very long and your posts/attacks on others suck-are you an abductee, uhnope?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 05:34 PM
Apr 2016

What are you really trying to tell US today?

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
64. This is sickening.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

I hope an honest investigation can be done regarding the circumstances of her murder, and the culprits be held accountable.

RIP.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
70. I hope this is just a coincidence
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:33 AM
Apr 2016

but we shall remained seized of the situation.

For once, I'm skeptical about it being a coincidence.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
72. Wow. This happens with activists all over the world. I'm actually suprised that it's also happening
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

in Flint.

"The lawsuit named six companies that had various responsibilities with respect to the treatment, monitoring, and safety of the Flint water prior to and during the Flint water crisis, according to her attorneys. The case also named three individual government, or former government, employees who played significant roles in the alleged misconduct that led to the alleged poisoning of thousands of children in Flint, her attorneys claim"

They have a suspect in custody per the op article.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
74. Come on folks.....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:25 AM
Apr 2016

If there's one thing history has proven it's that greedy evil people never kill for money.

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