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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:28 AM Apr 2016

Obama Slammed as 'Perverse' by London Mayor over 'Brexit'

Source: NBC News

LONDON — President Barack Obama faced a furious backlash on his visit to the U.K. Friday, accused of hypocrisy by lawmakers — including the mayor of London — after intervening in Britain's national referendum on the European Union.

The president was accused of an "incoherent" and "perverse" intervention in the country's acrimonious debate after urging British voters to remain in the political bloc.

Mayor Boris Johnson, who is also the leader of the anti-EU campaign, also speculated that "part-Kenyan" Obama was expressing an "ancestral dislike of the British empire."

Britons will vote in a June 23 referendum on whether to remain in the EU or leave. The so-called Brexit debate has divided the country (PDF) and its political establishment.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/obama-pens-op-ed-calling-britain-stay-european-union-n560171

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Obama Slammed as 'Perverse' by London Mayor over 'Brexit' (Original Post) IDemo Apr 2016 OP
I have long suspected that Boris Johnson BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #1
Don't know about Boris rpannier Apr 2016 #4
INterestingly, Boris BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #6
Unmistakable resemblance physically and rhetorically n/t IDemo Apr 2016 #5
Boris and his brain were what was separated. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #26
i knew he should stay out of it n/t PaulaFarrell Apr 2016 #2
Yes - he should. 840high Apr 2016 #33
Boris is a piece of work rpannier Apr 2016 #3
Obama: American establishment trying to keep the European establishment in place. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #7
Ah, the great Boris Johnson EarlG Apr 2016 #8
Let us not forget when Boris pushed down a school boy in Japan rpannier Apr 2016 #9
He's a British Christie.... Helen Borg Apr 2016 #21
I hate when that happens n/t IDemo Apr 2016 #11
Well, that Johnson fellow sounds just DELIGHTFUL. Arkana Apr 2016 #10
Unfortunately he is. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #23
Racism doesn't just end at the water's edge. Drunken Irishman Apr 2016 #12
When someone as repulsive as Bonking Boris sharp_stick Apr 2016 #13
I'm just going to leave this here... Turborama Apr 2016 #14
Well, okay then. That's really all I needed to see. Iggo Apr 2016 #16
Placed this down on the floor. House is now mouse-free. ;-) agracie Apr 2016 #55
Jeebus... racist much, Boris? NT Adrahil Apr 2016 #15
One thing that's clear.... T_i_B Apr 2016 #17
But but but... ReRe Apr 2016 #18
Intervening in the Brexit debate is like trying to stop someone from jumping off a bridge Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2016 #27
I don't really blame British people for being pissed tabasco Apr 2016 #19
It's not entirely a domestic issue jberryhill Apr 2016 #34
Uhh, no. former9thward Apr 2016 #35
"The U.S. would never agree with a EU arrangement with any other countries." jberryhill Apr 2016 #37
We are not in union with Mexico, Columbia, etc. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #38
If you think U.S. states have the characteristics of European nations former9thward Apr 2016 #39
That doesn't seem to be the opinion of many British. tabasco Apr 2016 #36
We haven't tolerated such a union. We are not going to enter into an EU-like Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #43
We are IN a union of states jberryhill Apr 2016 #44
It's not really a domestic issue at all T_i_B Apr 2016 #45
"It's not really a domestic issue at all" goldent Apr 2016 #47
The daft thing is.... T_i_B Apr 2016 #48
Fuck you Boris... Helen Borg Apr 2016 #20
Boris wants to be the next leader. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #22
Boris, you mad? no lunch with the Queen for you. Sunlei Apr 2016 #24
Thank you for your reply. Wellstone ruled Apr 2016 #30
American born Boris had some issues with the IRS recently Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2016 #25
The British press tend to ignore that T_i_B Apr 2016 #28
London mayor under fire for remark about 'part-Kenyan' Barack Obama muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #29
A mixed result for Obama's intervention if the replies to Cameron's tweet are representative MowCowWhoHow III Apr 2016 #31
Obama is lining up with the British left. He should expect some "part-Kenyan" shots from the right. pampango Apr 2016 #32
I'm confused. GusFring Apr 2016 #40
"Britain's unions ready to join fight to stay in European Union, top official says." pampango Apr 2016 #41
Seems clueless but the American president should not be telling the Brits how to vote. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #42
If Boris thinks Obama's perverse, what should he think of his Prime Minister. forest444 Apr 2016 #46
context? flamingdem Apr 2016 #49
Except that it wasn't a "her" but an "it" forest444 Apr 2016 #50
Lollll! flamingdem Apr 2016 #51
Ah, it's not easy being green. forest444 Apr 2016 #52
Says Obama "But we have worked so hard on the ttip, you cant opt out now!". Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #53
Narrow lead for Brexit ahead of EU referendum - ICM poll MowCowWhoHow III Apr 2016 #54
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
7. Obama: American establishment trying to keep the European establishment in place.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:34 AM
Apr 2016

If only those darned voters would stop disagreeing all the time...

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
23. Unfortunately he is.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

His bumbling affable persona is nothing like Trump's and a lot of people like him.

T_i_B

(14,738 posts)
17. One thing that's clear....
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:19 AM
Apr 2016

Is that Boris clearly doesn't understand the whole "United States" concept.

Anyway, I shall be leafleting for "Stronger In" this weekend as leaving the EU is a monumentally bad idea.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
18. But but but...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

..."America is so exceptional!" (Chris Matthews of MSNBC)

We're not. We're just like every other country of the GD world. How pompous of us to think we are any better than anyone else. I guess that's a capitalist trait, to think you're better than everyone else. We have looked down our noses at other nations for so long and never stopped to think about what we were doing. And when 9/11 came along we wondered why they hated us so.

Clearly, PO should not have stuck US's nose in Britain's personal business. We don't like it when other nations stick their nose in our business, so why do we think we have a right to do it to any one else? I think we need to put a sock in it.

I can understand how Britain feels about this. My great grandpa used to say "If someone looks down their nose at you, don't look up to them."

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
27. Intervening in the Brexit debate is like trying to stop someone from jumping off a bridge
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016

There is a bit of a moral imperative here,

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
19. I don't really blame British people for being pissed
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

when an American president wades into their domestic issues.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. It's not entirely a domestic issue
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:46 PM
Apr 2016

It has global consequences.

However, Mr. Johnson's suggestion that Americans would not tolerate such a union shows a remarkable ignorance of the American political system and its history.

Americans settled this argument during the term of the president that is your avatar.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
35. Uhh, no.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

The Civil War was a war within one nation. The U.S. would never agree with a EU arrangement with any other countries. Do we have one in North America? No., Democrats, Republicans and Indies would all oppose it. Look how much hatred there is for mild (compared to EU arrangements) trade agreements like NAFTA.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
37. "The U.S. would never agree with a EU arrangement with any other countries."
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

This U.S. is an "EU arrangement" among states, and it works because it is not a half-assed union like the EU.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
38. We are not in union with Mexico, Columbia, etc.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

We might have trade agreements with them, but that's it.

Furthermore, while we have poor states in the U.S., there's not the huge difference like the countries in the EU - with very wealthy countries and very poor countries.

It's not the same.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
36. That doesn't seem to be the opinion of many British.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:15 PM
Apr 2016

Is ratification/nullification of a treaty with a foreign power a domestic issue?

I would say "yes."

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
43. We haven't tolerated such a union. We are not going to enter into an EU-like
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

arrangement with Canada and Mexico. Trade arrangements yes, sharing of sovereignty, no. My limited understanding is that the "ever closer union" is causing unease in the UK, particularly when it comes to the pressure financial taxes.

The cession of sovereignty really is the Brexit issue, and Americans should stay out of this. Even if it does have global consequences, I doubt that US intervention could possibly improve the outcome.

I have no opinion on the Brexit issue and I don't think I have a right to one.

The US has a moral duty and an ethical right to intervene when human rights are being violated, but this is not such a case.

I find this whole thing hilarious, personally, because despite what Johnson is now saying, he endorsed Barack Obama for the presidency in 2008. So he wanted to tell the Americans how to deal with their affairs then.

I doubt very much that Johnson is a bigot - aside from his endorsement of Obama, he backed legalization of illegal immigrants. He's not easy to categorize. He was for a living wage, etc.

T_i_B

(14,738 posts)
45. It's not really a domestic issue at all
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:56 AM
Apr 2016

If Britain leaves the EU it will have bad effects for the whole of Europe, and beyond.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
47. "It's not really a domestic issue at all"
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

That might be true, but kind of ironic considering that the vote is largely to keep the EU out of the UK's domestic affairs.

T_i_B

(14,738 posts)
48. The daft thing is....
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 04:04 AM
Apr 2016

...any free trade deal we do cut with the EU after leaving will involve having to accept EU single market rules, without any say in how those rules are made. Much like Norway and Switzerland.

In effect, we lose more soverignity by leaving then we do by remaining in the EU!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. Boris, you mad? no lunch with the Queen for you.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016
Obama arrived in London for a birthday lunch with Queen Elizabeth II, Obama acknowledged that "the question of whether or not the U.K. remains a part of the EU is a matter for British voters to decide for yourselves."

But he said the outcome of the vote "is a matter of deep interest to the United States."

"The tens of thousands of Americans who rest in Europe's cemeteries are a silent testament to just how intertwined our prosperity and security truly are," Obama wrote.

European coordination on intelligence sharing, counterterrorism and economic growth "will be far more effective" if Britain stays in the EU, he wrote, adding: "The European Union doesn't moderate British influence — it magnifies it. A strong Europe is not a threat to Britain's global leadership; it enhances Britain's global leadership."
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
30. Thank you for your reply.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

To the point. Britain tried a similiar thing back in the Eighties,boy that cost them dearly financially. And the same will happen again. Only thing Britain has left is a floundering Banking System. BTW,when Cameron opened his pie hole,the market started to sink like a rock. Their Currency is losing ground daily as a result of all this isolationism talk and threats.

T_i_B

(14,738 posts)
28. The British press tend to ignore that
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:49 PM
Apr 2016

Boris, like Michael Gove is one of their own, and gets an easy ride from the UK press.

And the less said about another "leave" supporter in charge of press regulation (whose used to be my MP) the better http://www.democraticunderground.com/10889660

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
29. London mayor under fire for remark about 'part-Kenyan' Barack Obama
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:16 PM
Apr 2016
The shadow chancellor has accused Boris Johnson of dog-whistle racism for writing an article in which the London mayor quoted claims that Barack Obama’s “part-Kenyan” heritage had driven him towards anti-British sentiment.

John McDonnell joined fellow Labour MPs Yvette Cooper and Chuka Umunna in questioning Johnson’s judgment in referring to the president’s ancestry in an article for the Sun newspaper.
...
Umunna tweeted: “These Tory mayoral types are beyond the pale.” He said the Conservative mayoral candidate Zac Goldsmith had played on his opponent Sadiq Khan’s Muslim heritage, repeatedly attacking Khan for having shared a platform with a man who has been accused of extremist views.

Churchill’s grandson Nicholas Soames, a Conservative MP backing the remain campaign, called Johnson’s article “appalling” and said it was “inconceivable” that the wartime leader would not have welcomed Obama’s views.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/22/boris-johnson-barack-obama-kenyan-eu-referendum


MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
31. A mixed result for Obama's intervention if the replies to Cameron's tweet are representative
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016
I've spent the afternoon in talks with @BarackObama. The special relationship is as strong as ever.
https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/723558127220723712

pampango

(24,692 posts)
32. Obama is lining up with the British left. He should expect some "part-Kenyan" shots from the right.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:26 PM
Apr 2016

The unions and Labour are opposing Brexit but the right likes the idea of getting out from under the labor rights standards that go with EU membership.

Mr Trump has spoken in favour of Britain leaving the EU. Last month he said 'it's time' for Britain to leave the EU ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3551518/ISIS-Putin-Trump-Brexit-suits-agenda-says-Tony-Blair-s-former-spin-doctor-Alastair-Campbell.html

pampango

(24,692 posts)
41. "Britain's unions ready to join fight to stay in European Union, top official says."
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:20 AM
Apr 2016
Britain's trade unions are close to joining the push to keep the country in the European Union, bringing grass-roots muscle to a fight that has so far been dominated by big business and bankers, the head of the country's largest union group said. ... The TUC, which represents most unions, remains a political force with close ties to the opposition Labour Party which is broadly supportive of EU membership.

Unions will fight to stay in, emphasizing jobs and workers' rights, Frances O'Grady, general secretary of the Trades Union Congress, told Reuters in an interview. "What we need to do is start putting rights and jobs center stage in the campaign debate," O'Grady said. "The bulk of the rights at work that matter to us originated in Europe."

The EU-mandated protections for workers would be at risk if Britain votes to leave the EU. Many lawmakers in Cameron's Conservative Party resent them as an embodiment of EU over-reach into the affairs of member states.

For the TUC, by contrast, they are sacrosanct. "A Brexit would have massive implications for jobs, rights, and the very fabric of the UK," O'Grady said, referring to a possible British exit. "If you take that floor away, workers will be worse off. It's a hell of a gamble for those, who want to leave Europe, to depend on particularly the government we have now to protect the rights on which so many people's working lives depend."

"Mr. Corbyn recognises that “it’s Labour votes that’ll keep us in Europe ..."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-angela-eagle-labour-party-eu-referendum-brexit-a6902136.html

Jeremy Corby is, of course, the left-wing Labour party leader.

Analysis of polling suggests that young voters tend to support remaining in the EU, whereas those older tend to support leaving, but there is no gender split in attitudes. YouGov have also found that euroscepticism correlates with people of lower income and support for the Conservatives. Scotland, Wales and many English urban areas with large student populations are more europhile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2016#Opinion_polling

The UK Conservative Party seems to be split (like our republican party) between the 'establishment' and their right-wing (tea party-ish) base. Their base seems to look at "Brexit" to control immigration, much as our RW base looks to Trump's huuuuuuge wall to do the same.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
42. Seems clueless but the American president should not be telling the Brits how to vote.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

They didn't elect him.

This is a huge and complicated issue in Britain, and an attempt at American intervention probably helps neither side.

They are a sovereign nation and it would be best for us to remember that and stand off. While this particular politician is probably more loud-mouthed than most, in private I would imagine that many irascible comments are being made.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
46. If Boris thinks Obama's perverse, what should he think of his Prime Minister.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:36 PM
Apr 2016

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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
54. Narrow lead for Brexit ahead of EU referendum - ICM poll
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:58 AM
Apr 2016
Narrow lead for Brexit ahead of EU referendum - ICM poll

The campaign for Britain to leave the European Union has a narrow lead over the rival "In" campaign, according to a poll published by opinion poll firm ICM on Tuesday.

Forty-six percent of voters were in favour of a so-called Brexit against 44 percent who believe Britain should remain in the 28-member bloc, not counting undecided voters, ICM said.

The online survey, conducted between April 22 and 24, took place during a visit to Britain by U.S. President Barack Obama when he called on the country to back its EU membership at a referendum due to take place on June 23.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll-idUKKCN0XN1W9
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