The shock value is gone. And that is a truly depressing comment about our country.

Every single time something like this happens, I would like to find myself alone in a room with an NRA board member. Just to have a little... exchange of ideas.

I don't watch TV 'news' programs or read sensationalist web sites, as they love to lead with violence anywhere they can find it. Turning gun violence into perverse entertainment, which is much worse than cultivating 'numbness.'

That's just what the gun manufacturers want - be numb:

Buy our guns!!!

Buy our ammo!!!

Bad stuff only happens to other people!!!

The more guns you have, the safer you will be!!!


I don't blame others if they numb to it, but I refuse to be numb. As each gun manufacturer owner passes on, God sorts them out. I have my own stuff to worry about, but I am grateful I won't need to answer for that!!!

I owned a rifle as a teenager in North Dakota, because I was apparently supposed to use it to kill deer. 'Cuz I guess that's what you do. Did it once, and never again.

As an adult I've never owned a gun, and I'll have to under very serious physical threat before I do. Which, I expect, will be never.

(And I was held up at gunpoint about... (memory lags a bit)... 8-9 years ago. If I'd had a gun at least one of the two who did it would probably be dead. And they had a painted-over air gun.)

So no guns for me. I think that there are much better ways to spend one's time than at a shooting range.

And - experience shows that if someone means to shoot someone else and acts on it, they've already got the advantage they need to pull it off. More guns around just add to the potential awfulness of the situation. There are far more effective ways to protect your family.

in their world, their fear and paranoia TRUMPS ALL

“A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths - a statistic.”
― Joseph Stalin

yeah I'm numb. can't let it get to me thats why and two I'm already in a depression , some are up days yesterday 2 celeb deaths in a row and another pair of near $400 glass frames broke (the frames were $30 longest lasting ones in a long time the lens are the $$ araghhh) so 2 celeb deaths compounded by that and my temper snapped and not in a good way. and I beat on myself when I get miffed. So I can't let this shit get to me. It's gonna keep happing as long as money is in politics. And both sides are takers although I think Bernie at least trie but he won't be able tho shift anything down the road...

Has always had open carry. It is part of the Ohio Constitution. Ohio had the strongest "2 Amendment" in the country that dates back to statehood in 1803. Permitless conceal carry is not allowed in Ohio.

they disagree so much they will get into a major fight about it

that you hear or see people actually openly carrying guns in Ohio even though it has been legal since the formation of the state. I don't get the whole thing about open or concealed carry. Before moving to Ohio we lived in Tucson, Arizona for two years (1986-1988) and they also have always had open carry and it was common to see people with handguns in town holstered on their hips. I never got used to people carrying handguns in the open. Now with the concealed carry laws the whole thing is scary given carrying a weapon gives people crazy ideas about their invincibility.

I wonder why the well-regulated militia attacked these people.

sarcastic laugh , first thing my brother says.. Since when did we restart out war with England

ensure that insurrections and rebellions, like the one that family was obviously engaged in, are effectively managed by such vigilant members of our fine militias.

Without them, the Republic would certainly fall in a storm of gunfire!

The NRA - ensuring domestic tranquility, one bullet at a time.

RIP.

... looks like it's out there in a rural area where everyone and and all their families and friends own numerous guns. Combine guns with rural Ohio, America, and this is what you get. This is Kasich country. Did he sign the legislation for the loose gun laws?

devaluing life and culture day after day

My mom used to say 'like aggressive rats in an overcrowded maze'

that it trumps the Fifth Amendment protection against deprivation of life without due process of law?

Without our right to be murdered, what good would all the other 'freedoms' be? If you can't be killed by firearms, what's the point of being able to have life, liberty or property?

I mean, unless you know it could be taken away at any moment by a gun-wielding maniac (oops, I mean 'upstanding member of one of our fine well-regulated militias'), all that stuff would get pretty boring, right?

From your link:

"The steady decline in motor vehicle deaths over the past 65 years can be attributed to a combination of improved technology and smarter regulation. The federal government mandated the presence of seat belts in the 1960s. The '70s brought anti-lock brakes. The '80s brought an increased focus on drunk driving and mandatory seat belt use. Airbags came along in the '90s. More recent years have seen mandates on electronic stability systems, increased penalties for distracted driving and forthcoming requirements for rear-view cameras...

By contrast, the history of American gun control regulation has been more erratic. Restrictions passed in earlier eras, such as the assault weapons ban, have been undone recently. During the George W. Bush administration, Congress passed laws that prohibited law enforcement from publicizing data showing where criminals obtained their guns and granted gunmakers immunity from some civil lawsuits.

Technological advances, like smart-gun technology that prevents people other than the owner from firing a gun, have been stymied by opposition from the National Rifle Association and from many gun owners. Modest regulatory changes, including universal background checks, enjoy overwhelming support from gun owners and the American public. But those, too, have been thwarted under pressure from gun-rights advocates and the NRA."

No more movies like "Die Hard", or "The Matrix". It would really blow up many movie plots.

While it is possible to commit suicide with an automobile, it is rare. Thus deaths by automobiles and firearms are converging, the suicide rate for firearms have remained about the same, while deaths from other uses of firearms have fallen. For example hunting deaths have fallen greatly since the 1960s mostly do to safe hunting courses that are now mandated for new hunters.

Suicides by firearm has not been addressed is to do a refusal to address mental health treatment AND the effect loss of income for males leads to increase suicide rates (and it appears to be the latter that is the biggest factor, but everyone in power have accepted the fact that American workers pay must be cut 20% so that is not on anyone's public agenda).

It is the closest shooting to date.

Before today, the closest shooting was 14 miles from my home.

I live in a very rural area outside of Seaman, Ohio.

I am surrounded by farmland.

There are only 3 houses on the road that I live on.

The road is 1 mile long.

It is not a dead end road.

Seaman is a tiny town 3 miles from my home.

Not 1 stop light.

Hitches for the horses and buggies at the local bank.

Peebles is the next town east of me.

It is a tiny country town as well.

Larger than Seaman, but still very small.

but I live in Seattle.

1. Capitol Hill Rave Party shootings
2. Café Racer shootings

No where in America is exempt, or safe. Firearms are ubiquitous, cheap, and they solve any problem.

(the story has been updated at your link.) It would be very unusual for a 16 year old to live alone in a house. So that raises the question of who else might have been killed if they'd been there (or if they can be ruled out as the culprit). The police are saying they don't think any of the deaths were suicide.