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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:42 PM Apr 2016

Japan succeeds in test flight of first stealth fighter jet

Source: AFP

Japan's first stealth fighter jet successfully took to the skies on Friday as the country joins a select group of world military powers wielding the radar-dodging technology.

Technological super power Japan, despite strict constitutional constraints on the use of military force imposed after World War II, has one of the world's most advanced defence forces and the development of the stealth fighter comes as it faces new security challenges in the form of China's expanding force posture.

The domestically developed X-2 jet took off from Nagoya airport in central Japan on its maiden test flight as dozens of aviation enthusiasts watching the event erupted in applause as it lifted off into the clear morning sky. Television footage showed the red-and-white aircraft roaring into the air, escorted by two Japanese military fighters that were collecting flight data.

The single-pilot prototype safely landed at Gifu air base, north of Nagoya airport, after a 25-minute flight with "no particular problems," said an official at the defence ministry's acquisition agency.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/japan-succeeds-test-flight-first-stealth-fighter-jet-060235740.html?ref=gs



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Japan succeeds in test flight of first stealth fighter jet (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Apr 2016 OP
And in announcing it, the first layer of stealth was destroyed. sofa king Apr 2016 #1
I would agree Plucketeer Apr 2016 #2
You are right, of course. sofa king Apr 2016 #3
Stealth is no longer a super secret state-of-the-art concept that was never applied PersonNumber503602 Apr 2016 #4
And too Plucketeer Apr 2016 #5
The SR-71 was likely replaced by satellites Lurks Often Apr 2016 #6
Correct Brother Buzz Apr 2016 #9
The current U-2 is significantly different from the original design Lurks Often Apr 2016 #11
What are you talking about? Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #8
Here's a link to the test flight. NWCorona Apr 2016 #7
Or so they say DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #10

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
1. And in announcing it, the first layer of stealth was destroyed.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

The best kind of stealth is the stealth that nobody knows about. Now the plane is worth a fraction of what it was, strategically.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
2. I would agree
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

But how you gonna keep something like this a secret? Especially once it's built in any numbers?

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
3. You are right, of course.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

One could probably even guess that the announcement was only made because the Chinese were found to be making their own version of it.

But on the other hand, the F-117 was operational for five years before it was officially disclosed. Whatever replaced the SR-71 has never been disclosed, but we're pretty sure it exists because the Department of Defense happily gave most of its SR-71s over to NASA.

Stealth is a procedure that reduces detectability through technology and tactics and secrecy, the last being the most important, because if the other guy doesn't know it exists, they don't know to look for it. We've long since had to give up on the last part (in most cases) because we can't keep anything secret for long, and it looks like the Japanese have the same problem.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
4. Stealth is no longer a super secret state-of-the-art concept that was never applied
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

in practice in serious numbers. Them announcing this is no different that the US talking about F-35 or the China with the F-35ish J-31 plane, or Russia with its PAK-FA. Everyone is doing stealth these days. I'm sure the really "cool" stuff being done by all nations is still kept super secret and hidden. I doubt we'll be hearing about Japan's time warping chronolaserbots.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
5. And too
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

With the limited space (for anything!) on the Japanese islands - just where would they keep such a thing under wraps? The US has it's Area 51, and I would guess Russia and China do too. But Japan would have a hard time keeping a new, big weapon like this from being seen.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
6. The SR-71 was likely replaced by satellites
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

The SR-71 community was a small one in the Air Force, so it lacked senior people with enough clout to keep it alive. Some one wanted to use the money for the SR-71 community for something else, maybe for the fighter community or space community, both of which are much larger and much more influential when it comes time to decide where the money is going to go.

Another consideration is that increases in surface to air missile technology have probably gotten to the point that even the SR-71 was going to become vulnerable.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
9. Correct
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

But interestingly enough, I've heard the (keep it simple, stupid) U-2 has been pressed back into service when a quick turn-around is required; to Hell with the associated dangers. Prepping the SR-71 for flight on short notice was a maintenance nightmare, "You want it when?".

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
11. The current U-2 is significantly different from the original design
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:51 PM
Apr 2016

It's larger, with a more powerful engine and the sensors are configured to look "over" the border of another country without ever crossing into that country's airspace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_U-2

Even now the SR-71 remains a remarkable achievement. While it wasn't true stealth, it was designed with the smallest possible radar cross section so by the time it showed on "enemy" radar, it was far too late to scramble fighters to be in a position to intercept the SR-71 cruising at Mach 3+

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. What are you talking about?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

Japan wants the whole world to know about this, it's an engineering marvel (on paper at least) and this is the first homegrown fighter aircraft Japan has built in decades... It's a matter of national pride that they won't have to get their arms twisted by Washington to buy our 4th gen jets anymore...

Nevermind the fact that they'll be trying to *sell* these to other countries, so there's no benefit in keeping it secret (it's been well known about in aviation circles for awhile now)... This isn't the F-117 or B-2A, which were kept secret for years...

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
10. Or so they say
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:18 PM
Apr 2016

Instead of spending the money to develop stealth planes, a country could say that it had them and had already flown them over the territory of hostile neighbors. The neighbors would have to assume it was true.

(Joking)

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