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Judi Lynn

(160,530 posts) Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:35 PM Apr 2016

Bundy attorney: Feds turned down proposed plea deal

Source: Associated Press

Bundy attorney: Feds turned down proposed plea deal

Updated 6:34 pm, Wednesday, April 27, 2016

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Lawyers for Ammon Bundy say the leader of the Oregon wildlife refuge occupation offered after his arrest to plead guilty if charges against other defendants were dismissed, but the deal was rejected.

The assertion is made in a pre-trial motion filed in federal court on Wednesday.

Bundy was arrested by FBI agents and Oregon state troopers on Jan. 26. More than two dozen people have been arrested for the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge that began Jan. 2 and ended with surrender of the last four on Feb. 11.

Bundy attorney Mike Arnold says his client offered on Jan. 29 to plead guilty to a federal conspiracy charge if charges against the others were dropped, and the proposal was rejected a day before the last occupiers gave up.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Bundy-attorney-Feds-turned-down-proposed-plea-7379822.php

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Bundy attorney: Feds turned down proposed plea deal (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2016 OP

No shit. Fuddnik Apr 2016 #1

He's just earning his fee. eggplant Apr 2016 #3

Exactly +1 wordpix Apr 2016 #11

Not relevant to your case Ammon but thanks for the laugh. nt cstanleytech Apr 2016 #2

With all due respect, I don't understand why this matters. snot Apr 2016 #4

It was arrogant of him to ask for a deal in the first place Lil Missy Apr 2016 #14

Of course it wasn't accepted. HeartoftheMidwest Apr 2016 #5

And the deal wouldn't even make sense. christx30 Apr 2016 #20

Just another head fake by Mike Arnold the so called Wellstone ruled Apr 2016 #6

If Mike Arnold walked in wearing a wet coat and said "it's raining", I'd go outside and check. Shrike47 Apr 2016 #7

If everybody else goes free... Wounded Bear Apr 2016 #8

I thought the same thing, good try counselor but no prize. A Simple Game Apr 2016 #16

GOOD fred v Apr 2016 #9

I think you're referring to the new Hastert rule wordpix Apr 2016 #12

let's hope homegirl Apr 2016 #10

Are there charges for illegal hunting, as birders claimed? wordpix Apr 2016 #13

Would he support the same in other cases? Democat Apr 2016 #15

I'm glad the feds didn't deal. sinkingfeeling Apr 2016 #17

That would have made Bundy a hero to like minded folk n/t left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #18

The only plea deal he is in position to ask for... Xolodno Apr 2016 #19

No need.... TipTok Apr 2016 #21

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)

1. No shit.

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:40 PM

Apr 2016

Why would any attorney with half a brain expect the feds to accept such a proposal. They've pretty much got them all dead to rights, and there is no incentive for prosecutors to deal.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)

3. He's just earning his fee.

Reply to Fuddnik (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:52 PM

Apr 2016

I'm sure he didn't expect the feds to agree, but if that was what his client wanted, then that's what he had to do.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)

11. Exactly +1

Reply to eggplant (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:03 AM

Apr 2016

You can propose anything, or an attorney can. Doesn't mean a prosecutor will agree.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)

2. Not relevant to your case Ammon but thanks for the laugh. nt

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:44 PM

Apr 2016

snot

(10,529 posts)

4. With all due respect, I don't understand why this matters.

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:53 PM

Apr 2016

Are you saying the feds should have accepted the offer? If so, why?

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)

14. It was arrogant of him to ask for a deal in the first place

Reply to snot (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:11 AM

Apr 2016

the man is in no position to bargain.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)

5. Of course it wasn't accepted.

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:02 PM

Apr 2016

" offered after his arrest to plead guilty if charges against other defendants were dismissed "
Still wants to be a martyr.

christx30

(6,241 posts)

20. And the deal wouldn't even make sense.

Reply to HeartoftheMidwest (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:17 AM

Apr 2016

"I plead guilty to a conspiracy. That I did alone, since no one else is being charged."

Must have taken the Feds like 15-20 microseconds to mull it over and reject it. Even a legal ignoranmous like me knows it'd be stupid to take it.
Get em all. The Fed's case is as strong as the defense's is weak.
Fed: the defendants did X, Y, and Z. Here's where they said A, B, and C. The physical evidence is in those 4 dump trucks parked out front of the courthouse. We'll grab the forklifts and start bringing it in.
Defense: you bastards got no right to hold us. Under Job 23:12, or something. The defense rests, your (snicker) "honor".

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)

6. Just another head fake by Mike Arnold the so called

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:11 PM

Apr 2016

Ammon Bundy defense attorney. These Militia people are not going to see any bail or conditional release until trial.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)

7. If Mike Arnold walked in wearing a wet coat and said "it's raining", I'd go outside and check.

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:45 PM

Apr 2016

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)

8. If everybody else goes free...

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:59 PM

Apr 2016

how can he be guilty of a conspiracy?

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)

16. I thought the same thing, good try counselor but no prize.

Reply to Wounded Bear (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:00 AM

Apr 2016

But there must also be several more charges? I would hope so.

fred v

(271 posts)

9. GOOD

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:19 AM

Apr 2016

I hope they Hastert all of them! (I'm sure you've heard by now that the judge gave the former Speaker a longer sentence than the prosecution recommended.)

wordpix

(18,652 posts)

12. I think you're referring to the new Hastert rule

Reply to fred v (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:07 AM

Apr 2016

That is, give them a sentence beyond the minimal.

homegirl

(1,429 posts)

10. let's hope

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:46 AM

Apr 2016

these public menaces are on their way to 15-20 in a federal penitentiary.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)

13. Are there charges for illegal hunting, as birders claimed?

Reply to homegirl (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:10 AM

Apr 2016

Recall they said they have evidence, no doubt recorded with their telephoto lenses.

Democat

(11,617 posts)

15. Would he support the same in other cases?

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:34 AM

Apr 2016

Ten gang members murder someone and one of them tells the police to release everyone else and he'll plead guilty. Right wingers would be okay with that?

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)

17. I'm glad the feds didn't deal.

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:18 AM

Apr 2016

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)

18. That would have made Bundy a hero to like minded folk n/t

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:16 AM

Apr 2016

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)

19. The only plea deal he is in position to ask for...

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:56 AM

Apr 2016

....is to plead guilty on all counts in exchange for a lighter sentence.

Of course, that makes him look like a hypocrite and a fraud to the others who "sympathize" with his "cause".

He's painted himself into a corner.

TipTok

(2,474 posts)

21. No need....

Reply to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:32 AM

Apr 2016

There has to be an incentive for the prosecution and that just doesn't exist.

Very rarely has a crime been so well documented.

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