Labor in the UK needs to clean up their freeking act. I wouldn't have a party if I lived in the UK - I couldn't associate myself with these slimy assholes.

Personally, I find it exasperating that Labour is being dragged down by this nonsense, and I'm not even a Labour supporter or someone who takes sides in the Israel / Palestine conflict.

It's time to send a message that some things simply wont be tolerated - no matter which side you come down on.

Which is problematic for Corbyn as Livingstone is a key ally of Corbyn, and he doesn't have many allies in the top ranks of Labour at the best of times.

I think he deserves whatever problems he has as they're all self inflicted.

This hasn't been inflicted by Corbyn but firstly by a Labour MP with an idiotic Farcebook post from before she was an MP, when Corbyn was just a very left wing backbencher with no hope of promotion.

It was then magnified by Ken Livingstone, and it's going to leave Corbyn with no choice but to kick him out of the party.

It's also going to cause huge damage to Labour's chances in next week's elections.

I don't blame Corbyn for this yet, although I don't deny that he has many weaknesses as a leader.

With Corbyn as Labor leader, these clowns thought they would have a free reign with their pathetic anti semitism. Support for the hamas terrorists started all this.

It predates Corbyn becoming Labour leader.

Also, Ken Livingstone has now been suspended from Labour. (Not the first time Labour's forced him out either)

Was this in the last hour or so?

I think it had only just been announced when I posted.

What are the repercussions? How does one get back into good standing once suspended?

what it means to get suspended from a party? What happens? What are the repercussions? How does one get back into good standing?

and non-Labour Bradford politicians have also said similar or worse things. It seems to be more Bradford politics than Labour politics.

And there is anti-Semitism in all parties.

that Ken Livingstone does not want Labour to win the London mayor's election with a candidate other than himself, and is deliberately sabotaging their chances.

I have no doubt that Blair deliberately sabotaged the chances of both Brown and Miliband in the general elections for similar reasons (not that they weren't quite capable of sabotaging themselves!)

Labour because it's lead by people like this. I couldn't be a Tory because they want to destroy Britian's social next. And UKIP well they are "racists and nutters" to use Cameron's words.

Actually the biggest problem with Labour, if you ask me, is that it's not led at all! Both Corbyn and Miliband were/ are ineffectual in somewhat different ways; and Brown let himself become a media scapegoat. Blair did lead the party; but unfortunately he led it as a Tory.

I've never had a party since John Smith died in 1994. I just vote for the lesser of the evils/ most likely to beat the Tories in a given case, which has sometimes meant Labour, sometimes LibDem, sometimes Green. All have major flaws.

... Milliband is some who I could see myself voting for unlike Corbyn

That almost happened when ww2 was over, new country of Israel was attacked and the USA would NOT sell any WW2 surplus planes and weapons to Israel. Several brave Americans bypassed American Gov., got them some planes and weapons. Helped fly those planes and Israel fought fiercely beat back the attackers and won!

the British government showed how "honorable" they were by sending broken, tortured victims of the nazis BACK to Germany when they were within 20 miles of their promised land (promised by the British).

Jews weren't even welcome back to their businesses/homes/land/country the nazis took them from.

I'm not sure why the British released control of occupation in the first place. Maybe the Brits were worried about war with Jordan/Egypt and wanted to fill the place with Jews.

It's a miracle Israels Jewish people were able to fight off Jordan and Egypt. What a Brave history!

the British only allowed the Arabs to have guns - Jews weren't allowed. When it became obvious that the Jews were going to flock to Israel rather than try and make a home on the continent that handed them over to the nazis, they just abandoned the mandate - they were cowards but right up until Israel declared independence, they made it as hard as they could for the Jews to travel to Israel - he refused to increase the number of Jews allowed into the mandate even after it became obvious to all what happened under the nazis -and for the Jews who had been living there for all their lives.

..:. Have told be when Labour members have done anti-semantic things and have support terrorism they just were interested in "justice" for the Palistinians. Those people are pretty silent now. Is it possible that those people are just anti-Semites themselves. And that the far left has a huge anti-Semitism problem.

... about Livingstone? That speaks volumes.

First Boris (who, though I don't like him, is usually sane if unprincipled) bringing up Obama's Kenyan ancestry in a quite vile way. Now, Ken, whom I once supported, getting nuttier and nuttier, and buying in to anti-Semitic rubbish. I have in the past defended him against allegations of anti-Semitism, but this time he's gone over the line. P.S. Israel didn't even exist in 1932! PPS: Hitler was ALWAYS mad; he didn't 'go mad',

> "There's been a very well-orchestrated campaign by the Israel lobby to smear
> anybody who criticises Israeli policy as anti-Semitic. ...
> "Frankly, there's been an attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn and his associates
> as anti-Semitic from the moment he became leader. The simple fact is we have
> the right to criticise what is one of the most brutal regimes going in the way
> it treats the Palestinians."

Stopped clocks and all that.

what they don't have a right to do is to equate Israel/Zionism with Hitler.

> what they don't have a right to do is to equate Israel/Zionism with Hitler.

So when did Corbyn do that?

Or do you simply disagree with all of Livingstone's words that I quoted?

>> "Frankly, there's been an attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn and his associates
>> as anti-Semitic from the moment he became leader.

Not everything is directly about Corbyn, much as the media might want to make it so!

"70-year-old man who hasn't been a Labour MP since 2001 talks bollocks"
then his comments about the "very well-orchestrated campaign by the Israel lobby
to smear anybody who criticises Israeli policy as anti-Semitic" have validity.

Criticism of Livingstone's idiotic comment as such is perfectly acceptable.
Deliberately coupling some old guy's ramblings into an extended smear on
the Labour Party is not.

Corbyn isn't anti-Semitic.
He doesn't like the treatment of the Palestinians but that doesn't make him anti-Semitic.

Corbyn's party - the Labour Party - isn't anti-Semitic.
Most do not like the treatment of the Palestinians but that doesn't make them anti-Semitic.

One eccentric old loudmouth who last represented the Labour Party in parliament
over 15 years ago might well be anti-Semitic (as it certainly isn't the first such
remark he's made) but that *isn't* a reason for every pro-Israel berk to immediately
go into "let's smear the entire Labour Party" mode.

Does Ken Livingstone being Mayor of London from 2000-2008 and Labour's candidate for London Mayor last time out not count for anything?

Lest we forget, the outgoing Mayor of London is currently maneuvering to succeed David Cameron!

I'm not surprised that Corbyn's opponents have targeted anti-semitism as a major weak spot. Even if he isn't bigoted personally he is no friend of Israel. I am however taken aback by Ken Livingstone's conduct today.

Tories have their own problems:

http://labourlist.org/2015/04/have-the-tories-suspended-this-anti-semitic-candidate-or-not/

Our future rulers, no doubt:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/8870909/Oxford-Tories-nights-of-port-and-Nazi-songs.html


Remember Aidan Burley, former MP:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25836506

Not to mention that the Tories choose to associate with a group including the Polish Right -notorious for its anti-Semitism -in the Europaean Parliament, instead of the mainstream Conservative group that includes the French and German Conservatives, etc.

LibDems are not immune either.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/feb/12/haiti-israel-organ-blood-libel

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/129325/david-ward-could-lose-lib-dem-whip-again-says-partys-senior-jewish-minister

Nor are supposedly-left Independents:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-galloway-declares-bradford-an-israel-free-zone-9653894.html


And as for UKIP, where to begin?


http://politicalscrapbook.net/2013/04/ukip-candidate-blames-world-war-ii-and-the-holocaust-on-jews/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32555535


Nor is it just a couple of nutty candidates; it's a common attitude in that party:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-voters-less-likely-vote-5031293

That report might have been better headed 'Scandal of anti-Semitism among some British politicians'

has never gone on an anti-Semite crusade to ruin someone's career for daring to criticize Israel.