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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:06 AM Apr 2016

'All Belgians to get iodine pills' in case of nuclear accident

Source: AFP

Brussels (AFP) - Belgium is to provide iodine pills to its entire population of around 11 million people to protect against radioactivity in case of a nuclear accident, the health minister was quoted as saying Thursday.

The move comes as Belgium faces growing pressure from neighbouring Germany to shutter two ageing nuclear power plants near their border due to concerns over their safety.

Iodine pills, which help reduce radiation build-up in the thyroid gland, had previously only been given to people living within 20 kilometres (14 miles) of the Tihange and Doel nuclear plants.

Health Minister Maggie De Block was quoted by La Libre Belgique newspaper as telling parliament that the range had now been expanded to 100 kilometres (60 miles), effectively covering the whole country.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/belgians-iodine-pills-case-nuclear-accident-114919526.html



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'All Belgians to get iodine pills' in case of nuclear accident (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Apr 2016 OP
Amateurs malthaussen Apr 2016 #1
good one Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #2
and the Iodine manufacturer would sell them at LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #6
The range from free to affordable in the U.S. many of us have them, it is a prepper thing. braddy Apr 2016 #9
They are free to a lot of people in the US, for the same reason jberryhill Apr 2016 #15
We give them away here as well. braddy Apr 2016 #8
It's amazing how confident ignorance is sometimes jberryhill Apr 2016 #16
... n2doc Apr 2016 #3
One picture is worth a thousand words n/t JohnyCanuck May 2016 #23
How much protection houston16revival Apr 2016 #4
None at all FBaggins Apr 2016 #11
ok, thanks I think houston16revival Apr 2016 #14
Almost certainly a bad idea FBaggins Apr 2016 #5
It's done all over the US, incidentally jberryhill Apr 2016 #17
In a ten-mile radius of a plant, sure FBaggins Apr 2016 #18
"But this is an entire national population" jberryhill Apr 2016 #19
Seven reactors... but only two operating plants FBaggins Apr 2016 #20
Well, I'm not running Belgium, but jberryhill Apr 2016 #21
after registering LittleGirl Apr 2016 #7
German nuclear plant infected with viruses and malware muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #10
"...to protect against radioactivity..." - Why wear a lead-lined suit if a simple pill does the job? Towlie Apr 2016 #12
It's not expensive, and there's two types. truthisfreedom Apr 2016 #13
Dutch follow Belgian lead and stock up on iodine pills MowCowWhoHow III May 2016 #22

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
6. and the Iodine manufacturer would sell them at
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:04 AM
Apr 2016

no less than $100.00 a pop, generating millions in profits which would go directly into the pocket of the crooked CEO. America.....land of the fleeced.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
9. The range from free to affordable in the U.S. many of us have them, it is a prepper thing.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tablets-241757-emergency-san.html
"Homes and businesses in San Clemente, Dana Point and San Juan Capistrano can expect to receive a notice in the mail this week offering free potassium iodide tablets for use if there ever is a high-level release of radiation from the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station.

Jen Tucker, San Clemente's emergency-planning officer, says people can expect to receive the notice anytime Thursday through Saturday. Households and businesses that would like to receive the tablets can return a postcard by April 30 and the tablets will be mailed within four to six weeks, the city announced."
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
16. It's amazing how confident ignorance is sometimes
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

Yeah, it's pretty normal in the US for state health departments or emergency planning offices to distribute free KI pills to residents within a specified distance from a nuclear plant.

I thought everyone knew that.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
11. None at all
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

Stable iodine doesn't protect against radiation... it only protects against a specific radioactive element taking up residence in your body.

The most common exposure in a nuclear accident is to radioactive iodine. It has a short half-life (and is thus more active) and an even shorter biological half-life... with one notable exception. Iodine is retained in your thyroid gland. Because of this, thyroid cancer is the most common health impact from a nuclear accident (bombs are different of course).

What stable iodine does is flood your thyroid so that there isn't any room for the radioactive iodine to take up residence. It thus flushes faster from the body - dramatically reducing the risk to those people who live near an accident.

Back to your question - unless the exposure you're trying to avoid is from radioactive iodine... the pills won't do you any good at all. They could even harm you.

houston16revival

(953 posts)
14. ok, thanks I think
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:14 PM
Apr 2016

but we are having two different conversations I think

I was asking about the lead CRT, television tubes, as a shield from radiation,
much like a traditional 35mm lead film shield bag

I wouldn't imagine a CRT would offer much protection, but seems to me some
are lead lined in addition to lead in the glass. I have a 19" TV that is
85 pounds, 12 pounds heavier than my last 27" CRT TV

But along the lines you mention, I have organic iodine drops, keep a bottle on hand
in case of a radioactive event. Also a little kelp

I won't mash the TV tube and eat it! funny!

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
5. Almost certainly a bad idea
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

Did you know that right after Fukushima, we had people in the US (including anti-nuke activists in Vermont) who were taking iodine pills?

Taking stable iodine to reduce the body's uptake of radioiodine makes sense if (and only if) there's a serious nuclear accident very close by. Otherwise, the dangers of iodine poisoning far outweigh the risks that you think you're reducing. To make things worse, many of the symptoms of an iodine overdose (nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, etc.) can easily be mistaken for radiation poisoning in an environment where paranoia combined with confirmation bias rules. Causing people to panic and even take more.

If Belgium, out of an abundance of caution, wants to plan for the worst... then it makes sense to purchase sufficient supplies and stage them around the country for rapid distribution.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. It's done all over the US, incidentally
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

It's pretty normal.

The thing is: "it makes sense to purchase sufficient supplies and stage them around the country for rapid distribution" assumes that people will actually go into the hot zone to distribute them, or that they will somehow catch up with evacuees.

Since it is a prophylaxis against uptake of certain isotopes, then the timing is essential, and it is concurrent with evacuation. They are distributed with instructions not to take them unless there is an announcement to take them.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
18. In a ten-mile radius of a plant, sure
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:13 PM
Apr 2016

But this is an entire national population.

assumes that people will actually go into the hot zone to distribute them

Yep... which is just what should happen. First responders, Nat Guard, Military... they all have NBC gear to accommodate that very plan.

It's a oversimplification, but one rule of thumb is that the expected radiation dose should be above 1-10 mSV from I131 in order for the avoided risk from exposure to outweigh the risk from the normal dose of KI. The problem is that some people treat them like a dietary supplement and don't limit themselves to that dosage.

They are distributed with instructions not to take them unless there is an announcement to take them.

Which did nothing to stop LOTS of people here in the US from taking them even though there were NO announcements here to do so.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
19. "But this is an entire national population"
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

Yes, it is an entire population of a nation that is very small, and has seven reactors.

Are you aware of the dimensions of Belgium?

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
20. Seven reactors... but only two operating plants
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

It's still over ten million people - the bulk of whom live outside of the current reasonable standard.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. Well, I'm not running Belgium, but
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016


Liege and Antwerp are major population centers. They get a heck of a wind for a good bit of the year coming off the North Sea. That's why they have all of those windmills in Belgium and Netherlands. The Doel plant is upwind of a good bit of the country.

You know how it is in Belgium. If Jens got something from the government, then Pieter is going to bitch if he didn't get it too.

Maybe it's also a civil defense thing, like Switzerland. Since everyone else has a habit of invading Belgium in order to get to France, maybe they are planning for other things.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
7. after registering
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016

to live in Switzerland, we were given iodine pills as well. They are replaced every two years and are sent to your home address.
ugh

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
10. German nuclear plant infected with viruses and malware
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016
A number of computer viruses have infected a nuclear power plant in Germany, but were unable to pose a threat to its operations since the facility is not connected to the Internet.

The Gundremmingen Plant – which is run by the German utility RWE – is located 120 km north-west of Munich.

The computer viruses were discovered in the plant’s B unit on a system that was retrofitted in 2008 with data visualisation software that works alongside the equipment used to move nuclear fuel rods. The ‘W32.Ramnit’ and ‘Conficker’ viruses, among others, were discovered on the computer.

W32.Ramnit is a virus built for the sole purpose of stealing files from an infected computer. It primarily targets Microsoft Windows and was discovered in 2010. The virus is distributed through USB flash drives and its aim is to allow an attacker to gain remote control over an Internet connected system.

http://www.itproportal.com/2016/04/28/german-nuclear-plant-infected-viruses-malware/

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
12. "...to protect against radioactivity..." - Why wear a lead-lined suit if a simple pill does the job?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

They should market it as "Nuke Away."

(a brand name introduced by Robin Williams in his role as Mork.)

truthisfreedom

(23,147 posts)
13. It's not expensive, and there's two types.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016

Potassium Iodide (bitter, limited shelf life), and possum iodate (long shelf life, better tolerated by picky children).

https://www.campingsurvival.com/mecopoiok190.html

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
22. Dutch follow Belgian lead and stock up on iodine pills
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:48 AM
May 2016
Dutch follow Belgian lead and stock up on iodine pills

The Dutch government has ordered 15 million iodine pills to protect people living near nuclear power plants in the event of an accident, the health ministry announced Friday.

The pills, used to reduce the effects of radiation after exposure, would be given to those under the age of 18 and pregnant women living within a 100 kilometer radius of a nuclear power plant, Health Minister Edith Schippers told AFP.

The move comes as concerns rise about aging reactors across the border in Belgium. Maggie De Block, Belgium’s health minister, on Thursday announced that she is considering handing out iodine tablets to vulnerable citizens in the event of a nuclear emergency.

Dutch authorities said they would “follow how [the Belgians] carry out the distribution of these pills and where they will be available — whether people will have to go and find them at a pharmacy or at a local health service,” Schippers said.

http://www.politico.eu/article/dutch-follow-belgian-lead-and-stock-up-on-iodine-pills-nuclear-power-plants-accident-protection/
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