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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:24 PM Apr 2016

Only One of Six Air Force F-35s Could Actually Take Off During Testing

Source: Fortune

Five of six Air Force F-35 fighter jets were unable to take off during a recent exercise due to software bugs that continue to hamstring the world’s most sophisticated—and most expensive—warplane.

During a mock deployment at Mountain Home Air Force Base in Idaho, just one of the $100 million Lockheed Martin LMT -0.40% F-35s was able to boot its software successfully and get itself airborne during an exercise designed to test the readiness of the F-35, FlightGlobal reports. Nonetheless, the Air Force plans to declare its F-35s combat-ready later this year.

Details surrounding the failed exercise were disclosed earlier this week in written testimony presented to Congress by J. Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s chief weapons tester.

“The Air Force attempted two alert launch procedures during the Mountain Home deployment, where multiple F-35A aircraft were preflighted and prepared for a rapid launch, but only one of the six aircraft was able to complete the alert launch sequence and successfully takeoff,” Gilmore wrote. “Problems during startup that required system or aircraft shutdowns and restarts – a symptom of immature systems and software–prevented the other alert launches from being completed.”

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Read more: http://fortune.com/2016/04/28/f-35-fails-testing-air-force/



Someone needs to be prosecuted for fraud...

yup
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Only One of Six Air Force F-35s Could Actually Take Off During Testing (Original Post) jpak Apr 2016 OP
the name for this boondoggle of a plane should be The Dodo. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #1
Or the Jeb Bush fred v Apr 2016 #32
Your tax dollars at work... mpcamb Apr 2016 #50
Boy, $1.5 trillion just doesn't go as far as it used to does it. forest444 Apr 2016 #67
The Paperweight! MADem Apr 2016 #53
Boat Anchor..... paleotn Apr 2016 #58
Did they design our electronic voting systems too? Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #2
Is Liz Cheney still on their board of directors? Wellstone ruled Apr 2016 #3
Spelling correction elljay Apr 2016 #21
Either will do. Wellstone ruled Apr 2016 #41
The beast and the 99.9% of us! nt elljay Apr 2016 #77
bernie's F 35's seem to have some serious issues msongs Apr 2016 #4
Someone has serious issues. n/t Wilms Apr 2016 #5
++ frylock Apr 2016 #64
Bernie said the money was already wasted Thespian2 Apr 2016 #9
So keep throwing money at it...? It's a piece of garbage, clunky, overloaded with crap and it MADem Apr 2016 #48
Sanders lobbied for the F-35 to bring it to Vermont to help him stay in office. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #65
Hillary is disappointed that the planes can't be used to attack Iran on Inauguration day. bahrbearian Apr 2016 #11
Are these the same jets Hillary bargained with Saudis to get Clinton Foundation bucks? nm floriduck Apr 2016 #43
Seems the Saudis got screwed royally. paleotn Apr 2016 #60
Selling these piles of shit to the Saudis is the BEST thing we can do with them. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #63
Nope. MisterFred Apr 2016 #71
The F-15 also offers the pilot okasha Apr 2016 #72
Not by much. MisterFred Apr 2016 #82
Clinton has deeper ties to the "aircraft's" existence than Sanders Bradical79 Apr 2016 #80
bad idea to make the onboard computer systems so important Mosby Apr 2016 #6
I have my suspicions... jmowreader Apr 2016 #47
Morons, I'd say! nt MADem Apr 2016 #49
Yeah, they have to scramble in case of incoming attackers. brush Apr 2016 #61
Is this not the aircraft that Sanders fought tooth-and-nail to develop? George II Apr 2016 #7
No. As you've been told before, Bernie was opposed to spending the dough on this plane, but ... Scuba Apr 2016 #12
Did you read the link above by msongs? Andy823 Apr 2016 #24
Yup. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #27
You wouldn't be stretching things a bit - would you? Plucketeer Apr 2016 #31
Those older a/c are more maneuverable and reliable than this newfangled boondoggle. nt MADem Apr 2016 #52
I don't argue that one bit. Plucketeer Apr 2016 #69
Once again another low class response. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #14
You are poorly misinformed NWCorona Apr 2016 #15
Of course! Plucketeer Apr 2016 #33
Over a trillion dollars, extreme cost over runs and still standing behind a failed Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #54
No, this is the aircraft that Hillary wants to "sell" to Israel. frylock Apr 2016 #66
I say we use them for an aerial version of demo derby. KamaAina Apr 2016 #8
Expensive entertainment. PersonNumber503602 Apr 2016 #55
Makes the NFL look like peanuts! KamaAina Apr 2016 #68
It's a tough choice for a fighter jock... catnhatnh Apr 2016 #10
Congress is studying whether or not to reopen production of the F-22 jpak Apr 2016 #17
The F-35 Brood Hen... LOL! Old Crow Apr 2016 #45
Whether it can fly or not is immaterial. The plane is a huge success. Scuba Apr 2016 #13
In Vermont, even. dbackjon Apr 2016 #18
Bernie Brings Home Bacon - so does Hillary jpak Apr 2016 #19
So Bernie is a Politician, just like Hillary. dbackjon Apr 2016 #20
yup jpak Apr 2016 #22
Exactly, these super programs have nothing to do with war fighting. harun Apr 2016 #81
The Air Force IT climbs in the cockpit "MOOF!" underpants Apr 2016 #16
Not to worry. The programmer who wrote the code knows where the problem resides ffr Apr 2016 #23
Plus he had to take a week off to hack an iPhone for the FBI GreydeeThos Apr 2016 #44
The iPhone hack was too easy for him PJMcK Apr 2016 #79
Time for a military industrial complex rebate to the American people. nt TeamPooka Apr 2016 #25
I don't really care who did or did not vote for this plane TeddyR Apr 2016 #26
Is the software based on the Windows Operating System ... that would explain a lot n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #28
No and it isn't a fucking Mac either MyNameGoesHere Apr 2016 #34
That's a good thing ... because I would hate to have to reboot Windows at 40000 feet to get my plane SFnomad Apr 2016 #36
I am comforted in knowing MyNameGoesHere Apr 2016 #39
Dude, relax some .. it was just a fk'ing joke n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #42
So's military software ... (n/t) Nihil Apr 2016 #73
It's something called Integrity, that's only available to the government jmowreader Apr 2016 #51
wouldnt you like to be that lucky pilot? reddread Apr 2016 #29
I would rather pay for planes that dont fly reddread Apr 2016 #30
When I read the headline Plucketeer Apr 2016 #35
~BRRRRRRRRRRRRRT!~ Old Crow Apr 2016 #46
Warthogs are based right up I-84 from Mountain Home at Gowen Field IDemo Apr 2016 #56
I really don't see what the problem is ... Jopin Klobe Apr 2016 #37
Thank god president Trump will kacekwl Apr 2016 #38
I worked as a PhD engineer in the MIC for 10 years. This is a big reason why I left GummyBearz Apr 2016 #40
It amazes me how they manage to screw shit up so often. PersonNumber503602 Apr 2016 #57
There have been several software upgrades - some buggier than others. jpak Apr 2016 #75
How many kids could we send through college, or families could we provide health coverage... raindaddy Apr 2016 #59
Think of how many Turbineguy Apr 2016 #62
You know their product sucks ... we want our money back Lockheed-Martin YOHABLO Apr 2016 #70
Progress! n/t malthaussen Apr 2016 #74
"Oh, Well I guess we'll fix the bugs for more money!" Oneironaut Apr 2016 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Oneironaut Apr 2016 #78

MADem

(135,425 posts)
48. So keep throwing money at it...? It's a piece of garbage, clunky, overloaded with crap and it
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

CAN'T FIGHT.

The Burlington Bungle!

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
65. Sanders lobbied for the F-35 to bring it to Vermont to help him stay in office.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

He loves those sweet sweet MIC jobs. They mean votes back home. He wanted that F-35 so much that he was willing to defend a plane that explodes on the runway. Sanders has been defending the F-35 for years:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion



SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
63. Selling these piles of shit to the Saudis is the BEST thing we can do with them.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

It sure beats us taxpayers paying for these flying death traps.

MisterFred

(525 posts)
71. Nope.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

The Saudis bought F-15s. The F-15 is actually more expensive per-plane, and lacks the stealth characteristics of the F-35. In most other ways, however, the F-15 is superior. Payload, most importantly.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
72. The F-15 also offers the pilot
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:11 AM
Apr 2016

a better chance that s/he'll get the plane down without being killed by its bad engineering.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
80. Clinton has deeper ties to the "aircraft's" existence than Sanders
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

You sure this is the road you want to go down?

Mosby

(16,311 posts)
6. bad idea to make the onboard computer systems so important
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:37 PM
Apr 2016

A fighter jet should be able to take off without a "boot up". Who the fuck thought that was a good idea?

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
47. I have my suspicions...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

...that the same sorry bastard who thought building a fighter jet that needs a video camera pointed at the tail so you can see who's behind you (this is no shit - it's the only way to see out the back) was a good idea, is the sorry bastard who thought making a jet so dependent on its computers was a good idea.

brush

(53,778 posts)
61. Yeah, they have to scramble in case of incoming attackers.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:09 PM
Apr 2016

They'll just be sitting there, and sitting ducks btw, IF THERE COMPUTERS CAN'T BOOT UP!!!!

God, WTF.

And this is the dud they want to replace the A-10 also, one of its supposed multi-functions.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
12. No. As you've been told before, Bernie was opposed to spending the dough on this plane, but ...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:48 PM
Apr 2016

... once it was deemed it would be built, he worked to have it built in his state. You know, representing his consitituents and all that.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
24. Did you read the link above by msongs?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:27 PM
Apr 2016

Here is part of that article:

"So, while Bernie Sanders is saying we should cut military spending to fund free college for everyone, his defense of the F-35 means that despite everything else, Sanders is still just a politician. Sooner or later, the F-35 will eventually be replaced by something even more expensive, while the F-35 joins the thousands of other unused fighter jets in the boneyard. But rather than lying to people and saying the program is already a done deal and that there’s nothing he can do, Sanders could stand by his principles and introduce an amendment in the next National Defense Authorization Act to strip the F-35 program of its funding. That remaining $700 billion could make college tuition-free for everyone for at least a decade."

Fighting to end wasteful military spending is honorable, wasting another $700 billion, or more, is not.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
31. You wouldn't be stretching things a bit - would you?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016

This remark is just wrong: " while the F-35 joins the thousands of other unused fighter jets in the boneyard." The F-15s, F-16s, F-14s and some older F-18s are anything BUT "unused". In fact, A LOT of them are in the boneyard because they've reached the end of their useful lives. They were usede in the many conflicts we've poured money into as well as used to keep pilots proficient even when not in war zones. Planes wear out. They CAN be refurbished, but of course, the race for more and fantastic capabilities dictates developing new designs. I personally think those endeavors are a race down the toilet, but that's the thinking. And still - with that one quote I lifted - saying unused is just plane wrong.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
33. Of course!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016

And who can forget Hillary's ardent stance against this boondoggle! I do trust she'll FORCE the bugs outta this thing by finding some conflict to employ it in.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
54. Over a trillion dollars, extreme cost over runs and still standing behind a failed
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

Program. I wonder how many Lockheed Martin contributes to Sanders. He used to talk about auditing MIC's but now nothing about this anymore.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
68. Makes the NFL look like peanuts!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:36 PM
Apr 2016

Hell, we could stage the collisions right over all those publicly funded stadiums!

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
10. It's a tough choice for a fighter jock...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

Take off in an F-22 Strangler and die of hypoxia or sit on the runway in an F-35 Brood Hen and wait for the enemy to arrive.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
13. Whether it can fly or not is immaterial. The plane is a huge success.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:49 PM
Apr 2016

Billions and billions for the MIC.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
23. Not to worry. The programmer who wrote the code knows where the problem resides
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

and is working on a patch. The patch should be ready for upload before the Air Force certifies the F-35 fleet.



Between writing gaming code, patch code for Microsoft Windows 10 and this, the Air Force may have to wait a little longer. But his mom says he understands the serious nature of having airplanes that can take off and land on runways and should have working compiled code shortly after school lets out in May.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
26. I don't really care who did or did not vote for this plane
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

But if it won't fly then that is a problem and someone needs to answer for it.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
36. That's a good thing ... because I would hate to have to reboot Windows at 40000 feet to get my plane
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:46 PM
Apr 2016

working again.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
39. I am comforted in knowing
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

that you think they use commercially available software on military aircraft. You're an affirmation.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
51. It's something called Integrity, that's only available to the government
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:42 PM
Apr 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity_(operating_system)

Next question: Why in hell would you design a fighter plane that needs to be cold-booted every time you want to use it? Put an UPS in the plane that receives power from two sources: the airframe's electrical generator and a cord plugged into the wall. Power all the electronics off the UPS. Never turn them off.
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
35. When I read the headline
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

I was hoping this was regarding the test against the A-10 Warthog that's in the offing. Six A-10s could have reduced the 6 F-35s to rubble before they got airborn!

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
56. Warthogs are based right up I-84 from Mountain Home at Gowen Field
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:57 PM
Apr 2016

They've been a familiar sight over Boise skies for a very long time and are currently deployed to the Middle East. It would have made for a convenient pairing of the two if timing had been a bit different. That's assuming the zillion dollar jets could get airborn..

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
37. I really don't see what the problem is ...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

... it's performance is much, much better than our so-called "congressional leadership" ...

... and they are costing us trillions and our country ...

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
38. Thank god president Trump will
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

rebuild the decimated military by pouring more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ toward it.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
40. I worked as a PhD engineer in the MIC for 10 years. This is a big reason why I left
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:00 PM
Apr 2016

First off, I didn't build bombs, bullets, or body armor. I did research on high tech comm systems for DARPA.

My old company, which is the same scale as Lockheed, started caring much more about middle management than the engineers building their products. It doesn't surprise me that we cannot make a jet that can fly these days. Nearly every engineer worth their salt left for greener pastures in recent years.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
57. It amazes me how they manage to screw shit up so often.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

I saw these F35s flying regularly a few years back. I assumed they had things worked out.

How were they able to get that oddly shaped F-117 to fly using 1970's computers, but they have such a hard time getting all this to work?

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
59. How many kids could we send through college, or families could we provide health coverage...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

with the billions of dollars they're throwing down the fraudulent military complex sewer?

Maybe they should be spending more time improving their ability to provide clean drinking water and decent jobs and less time on planes that will be obsolete in a few years anyway...

People are getting tired carrying around an plutocratic empire on their shoulders..

Turbineguy

(37,331 posts)
62. Think of how many
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

lives will be saved if they don't work. Contractors will still make money, the whole system will continue to function right up to the point where they actually start killing people.

And the terrorists will be happy because we are bankrupting ourselves.

Oneironaut

(5,495 posts)
76. "Oh, Well I guess we'll fix the bugs for more money!"
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

This is a classic scam move. Mess the job up and then only partially fix it, demanding more money each time.

I'm sure the US's new flying IPhone will hold up well against things that actually work. They realize that enemies shoot back, right?

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