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patsimp

(915 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:53 PM Apr 2016

Staff segregated by gender at some UK Muslim schools

Source: TImes of India

LONDON: Teachers and other staff at some independent Islamic faith schools in the UK are facing gender-based segregation, prompting the country's schools watchdog to write to the education ministry.

Sir Michael Wilshaw, head of Ofsted, said his inspectors found one independent religious school using dividing screens across the room to segregate men and women.

"I am writing again to report that Her Majesty's Inspectors (HMI) continue to find that staff are being segregated because of their gender in Muslim independent schools," Wilshaw writes in his letter sent on Wednesday to UK education secretary Nicky Morgan.

Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Staff-segregated-by-gender-at-some-UK-Muslim-schools/articleshow/52028492.cms

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Staff segregated by gender at some UK Muslim schools (Original Post) patsimp Apr 2016 OP
Why is anybody surprised. Islam is very segregationist. thereismore Apr 2016 #1
Just to play devil's advocate.... justamama83 Apr 2016 #5
The critical difference is that British taxpayers pay for these faith-based schools. pnwmom Apr 2016 #6
"British taxpayers pay for these faith-based schools" mpcamb Apr 2016 #16
They've tried and failed to have Christian voucher schools. Do you have a link pnwmom Apr 2016 #18
"School vouchers are education tax dollars that are diverted from public schools" mpcamb Apr 2016 #21
No, we are talking about FAITH based schools, not secular school vouchers or charter schools. pnwmom Apr 2016 #22
Well then, they may be knockin' on the door... mpcamb Apr 2016 #25
Except Romney never became President and none of this happened. pnwmom Apr 2016 #26
You're right. I didn't check the date on the article. mpcamb Apr 2016 #27
No need. pnwmom Apr 2016 #30
Thanks for the info justamama83 Apr 2016 #36
They fund some religious schools ,but not *these* schools muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #38
You made me say it: Religion SUCKS ASS. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #7
And those same Catholic schools sponsor dances TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #14
We had male teachers in a Catholic School full of nuns angstlessk Apr 2016 #20
How is that different than Catholic/Christian schools here in the US that are not co- ed? Angel Martin Apr 2016 #37
Employment. That's the difference. Xithras Apr 2016 #39
The West best get used to becoming something that it doesn't want to be. braddy Apr 2016 #2
Unless something is done. christx30 Apr 2016 #3
Eventually immigration and the vote will remove those type of options, even if someone braddy Apr 2016 #4
Hollywood! Skittles Apr 2016 #29
Explain youself rockfordfile Apr 2016 #13
It means that this article won't be the last that we see as the decades go by. braddy Apr 2016 #17
In the UK correct? rockfordfile Apr 2016 #24
Hell, in my Catholic school full of nuns we had a OMG! a Male teacher!!! angstlessk Apr 2016 #8
And your Catholic school isn't paid for with taxpayer funds, as in Britain. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #9
Yes, but we still had a MALE teacher being paid for out of the Catholic Treasury angstlessk Apr 2016 #10
We had roughly 1/4 men teachers. I think the main thing that kept their numbers down pnwmom Apr 2016 #11
He may have kept us interested cause he was a male teacher angstlessk Apr 2016 #12
And plenty of female teachers at the boys' school, too! TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #15
Its a private school philosslayer Apr 2016 #19
They gets taxpayer funds. iandhr Apr 2016 #23
No, these schools do not get taxpayer funds - it says 'independent' and 'private' muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #32
f*** their sick misogyny Skittles Apr 2016 #28
They want government money to promote sexism? Democat Apr 2016 #31
actually some of the radical muslim clerics are collecting British welfare MariaThinks Apr 2016 #34
why is the government paying for seggregation? MariaThinks Apr 2016 #33
It's not. See #32. This is about private schools. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #35
do they still do this in Catholic schools? Demonaut Apr 2016 #40
Did they ever do it in Catholic schools? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #41
oh, I guess that's unacceptable segregation Demonaut Apr 2016 #42

justamama83

(87 posts)
5. Just to play devil's advocate....
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

How is that different than Catholic/Christian schools here in the US that are not co- ed? Some Catholic schools have the kids in the same building but there is a boy's wing and a girl's wing. I would think if this was an independent (I'm reading private) school that it would be allowed. If it's a public school obviously a totally different scenario.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
6. The critical difference is that British taxpayers pay for these faith-based schools.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

US taxpayers aren't paying for Catholic schools or the schools of any other religion.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jun/14/taxpayers-should-not-fund-faith-schools


Labour is calling for cross-party talks on how religious education is conducted and monitored in the state sector as a special poll for the Observer shows widespread concerns about the use of taxpayers' money to fund faith schools in a multicultural Britain.

The survey by Opinium shows that 58% of voters now believe faith schools, which can give priority to applications from pupils of their faith and are free to teach only about their own religion, should not be funded by the state or should be abolished.

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
16. "British taxpayers pay for these faith-based schools"
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

Kinda like those Christian voucher schools in the American South?

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
18. They've tried and failed to have Christian voucher schools. Do you have a link
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

showing where they have them? Millions of Catholic parochial student parents would like them, too.

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
21. "School vouchers are education tax dollars that are diverted from public schools"
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

School vouchers are education tax dollars that are diverted from public schools to help subsidize the tuition of private and religious schools. Although a few states and cities have limited voucher programs, the only federally funded program is a pilot program in Washington, D.C. - See more at:

http://www.nsba.org/advocacy/federal-legislative-priorities/private-school-vouchers#sthash.AohXbDeJ.dpuf

I lost track of the article I was reading. I'll keep digging.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
22. No, we are talking about FAITH based schools, not secular school vouchers or charter schools.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

There are no taxpayer dollars paying for faith-based education here, as such education is financed in Britain.

There are a lot of religious right people who want it, but they haven't succeeded.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
26. Except Romney never became President and none of this happened.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:48 PM
Apr 2016

But, yes, the religious right has been trying for years.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
30. No need.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:03 PM
Apr 2016

The only thing that gets to me lately are people pushing false stories about Hillary.

justamama83

(87 posts)
36. Thanks for the info
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

Did not realize that they funded religious schools. Also, as someone pointed out below the education might not be "equal" to both genders so it would breach their equality laws.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,317 posts)
38. They fund some religious schools ,but not *these* schools
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

The article clearly says this is about private schools.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
14. And those same Catholic schools sponsor dances
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

for the boys and girls. I was attending them decades ago. Dancing.
Gasp! Touching one another. Rock and roll! Long, slow dancing to "Stairway to Heaven."

It's not at all the same thing.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
20. We had male teachers in a Catholic School full of nuns
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:19 PM
Apr 2016

Believe me Catholic is NOTHING like Muslim...even the nuns now dress in street clothes..when I went to school they dressed in their black habits..lucky I got Sisters of Mercy at our school!

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
37. How is that different than Catholic/Christian schools here in the US that are not co- ed?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

because this is about the STAFF, not the students.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
39. Employment. That's the difference.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

Many schools have gendered classrooms, but that's not the issue here. This is an EMPLOYMENT problem. You can have an all boys school, but you can't prohibit women from working there. You can't treat female employees differently than male employees. You can't assign rights and duties based on gender.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
3. Unless something is done.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

Treat them the way that we'd treat a Christian baker that refused to bake a cake for a gay couple. Force them to comply, or shut the school/fine them into nonexistence.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
4. Eventually immigration and the vote will remove those type of options, even if someone
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016

has the will and the physical courage to stand up to them.

Remember why news organizations and Hollywood already worry about their safety if they don't stay alert to the new rules, and this is only 2016.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
24. In the UK correct?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

Tax payer funds is given to the religious institutions in the UK correct?

Of course we have that problem here in America because of the republican christofascists.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
8. Hell, in my Catholic school full of nuns we had a OMG! a Male teacher!!!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

He was very cool! He was the only male, we also had a really cool female (non nun) teacher...

...looking back she was so very skinny, I wonder if she had an eating disorder before any one heard of such a thing?

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
10. Yes, but we still had a MALE teacher being paid for out of the Catholic Treasury
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

see? I agree that what is being done is horrid..and I believe taxpayer funds should be withheld!

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
11. We had roughly 1/4 men teachers. I think the main thing that kept their numbers down
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:43 PM
Apr 2016

was that the public schools paid a lot better.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
12. He may have kept us interested cause he was a male teacher
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

but besides that he was a good teacher.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
19. Its a private school
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

The parents choose to send their children there. We may not agree with it, but if all participants are there voluntarily and agree to it, I'm not sure what can be done.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
23. They gets taxpayer funds.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:30 PM
Apr 2016

What you can do is say "if you continue to segregate your school you will lose all taxpayer funds."


They are entitled to their backwards belief. They are not entitled to get money from the Treasury.


Most people when confronted with a choice between "there sincerely held beliefs" and money they choose money.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,317 posts)
32. No, these schools do not get taxpayer funds - it says 'independent' and 'private'
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:08 AM
Apr 2016

There are faith-based schools in Britain that get taxpayer funding, but not these ones.

And they may not be entitled to their backward belief, either: "We have referred this case to the EHRC (Equality and Human Rights Commission) so they can consider whether the school has breached the Equalities Act, and we will consider carefully the inspection report on the school to determine what action to take against any potential breaches in the independent school standards".

Democat

(11,617 posts)
31. They want government money to promote sexism?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:07 AM
Apr 2016

If they don't change they should lose all taxpayer funds.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
34. actually some of the radical muslim clerics are collecting British welfare
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

while preaching for the destruction of the west and England.

I guess if we're stupid enough to allow it how can we complain.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,317 posts)
35. It's not. See #32. This is about private schools.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

It says so, in the article. It says 'independent'. But they may get stopped anyway, because it may break the Equality Act legislation.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,317 posts)
41. Did they ever do it in Catholic schools?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

A screen so that the male and female teachers can't see each other isn't a very Catholic thing, I'd say.

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