Staff segregated by gender at some UK Muslim schools
Source: TImes of India
LONDON: Teachers and other staff at some independent Islamic faith schools in the UK are facing gender-based segregation, prompting the country's schools watchdog to write to the education ministry.
Sir Michael Wilshaw, head of Ofsted, said his inspectors found one independent religious school using dividing screens across the room to segregate men and women.
"I am writing again to report that Her Majesty's Inspectors (HMI) continue to find that staff are being segregated because of their gender in Muslim independent schools," Wilshaw writes in his letter sent on Wednesday to UK education secretary Nicky Morgan.
Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Staff-segregated-by-gender-at-some-UK-Muslim-schools/articleshow/52028492.cms
thereismore
(13,326 posts)justamama83
(87 posts)How is that different than Catholic/Christian schools here in the US that are not co- ed? Some Catholic schools have the kids in the same building but there is a boy's wing and a girl's wing. I would think if this was an independent (I'm reading private) school that it would be allowed. If it's a public school obviously a totally different scenario.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)US taxpayers aren't paying for Catholic schools or the schools of any other religion.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jun/14/taxpayers-should-not-fund-faith-schools
Labour is calling for cross-party talks on how religious education is conducted and monitored in the state sector as a special poll for the Observer shows widespread concerns about the use of taxpayers' money to fund faith schools in a multicultural Britain.
The survey by Opinium shows that 58% of voters now believe faith schools, which can give priority to applications from pupils of their faith and are free to teach only about their own religion, should not be funded by the state or should be abolished.
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)Kinda like those Christian voucher schools in the American South?
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)showing where they have them? Millions of Catholic parochial student parents would like them, too.
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)School vouchers are education tax dollars that are diverted from public schools to help subsidize the tuition of private and religious schools. Although a few states and cities have limited voucher programs, the only federally funded program is a pilot program in Washington, D.C. - See more at:
http://www.nsba.org/advocacy/federal-legislative-priorities/private-school-vouchers#sthash.AohXbDeJ.dpuf
I lost track of the article I was reading. I'll keep digging.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)There are no taxpayer dollars paying for faith-based education here, as such education is financed in Britain.
There are a lot of religious right people who want it, but they haven't succeeded.
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)Funny how a lot of analytic stuff about the US comes from The Guardian.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)But, yes, the religious right has been trying for years.
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)I blushingly offer a retraction. MP
The only thing that gets to me lately are people pushing false stories about Hillary.
justamama83
(87 posts)Did not realize that they funded religious schools. Also, as someone pointed out below the education might not be "equal" to both genders so it would breach their equality laws.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,317 posts)The article clearly says this is about private schools.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)for the boys and girls. I was attending them decades ago. Dancing.
Gasp! Touching one another. Rock and roll! Long, slow dancing to "Stairway to Heaven."
It's not at all the same thing.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Believe me Catholic is NOTHING like Muslim...even the nuns now dress in street clothes..when I went to school they dressed in their black habits..lucky I got Sisters of Mercy at our school!
Angel Martin
(942 posts)because this is about the STAFF, not the students.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Many schools have gendered classrooms, but that's not the issue here. This is an EMPLOYMENT problem. You can have an all boys school, but you can't prohibit women from working there. You can't treat female employees differently than male employees. You can't assign rights and duties based on gender.
braddy
(3,585 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)Treat them the way that we'd treat a Christian baker that refused to bake a cake for a gay couple. Force them to comply, or shut the school/fine them into nonexistence.
braddy
(3,585 posts)has the will and the physical courage to stand up to them.
Remember why news organizations and Hollywood already worry about their safety if they don't stay alert to the new rules, and this is only 2016.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)what's next? Nancy Pelosi? Voting Democrat?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)What are you talking about? Are you a right winger?
braddy
(3,585 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Tax payer funds is given to the religious institutions in the UK correct?
Of course we have that problem here in America because of the republican christofascists.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)He was very cool! He was the only male, we also had a really cool female (non nun) teacher...
...looking back she was so very skinny, I wonder if she had an eating disorder before any one heard of such a thing?
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)see? I agree that what is being done is horrid..and I believe taxpayer funds should be withheld!
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)was that the public schools paid a lot better.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)but besides that he was a good teacher.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)nt
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)The parents choose to send their children there. We may not agree with it, but if all participants are there voluntarily and agree to it, I'm not sure what can be done.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)What you can do is say "if you continue to segregate your school you will lose all taxpayer funds."
They are entitled to their backwards belief. They are not entitled to get money from the Treasury.
Most people when confronted with a choice between "there sincerely held beliefs" and money they choose money.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,317 posts)There are faith-based schools in Britain that get taxpayer funding, but not these ones.
And they may not be entitled to their backward belief, either: "We have referred this case to the EHRC (Equality and Human Rights Commission) so they can consider whether the school has breached the Equalities Act, and we will consider carefully the inspection report on the school to determine what action to take against any potential breaches in the independent school standards".
Skittles
(153,160 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)If they don't change they should lose all taxpayer funds.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)while preaching for the destruction of the west and England.
I guess if we're stupid enough to allow it how can we complain.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,317 posts)It says so, in the article. It says 'independent'. But they may get stopped anyway, because it may break the Equality Act legislation.
Demonaut
(8,916 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,317 posts)A screen so that the male and female teachers can't see each other isn't a very Catholic thing, I'd say.