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Judi Lynn

(160,592 posts)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:01 AM Jun 2012

Air Force Osprey crashes at Florida base, injures five

Source: CNN

Air Force Osprey crashes at Florida base, injures five
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 12:49 AM EDT, Thu June 14, 2012

Hurlburt Field, Florida (CNN) -- An Air Force CV-22 Osprey crashed Wednesday during a routine training mission north of Navarre, Florida, injuring five crew members aboard, a military official said.

The Osprey crash occurred about 6:45 p.m. at Hurlburt Field's Eglin Range, said Amy Nicholson, chief of public affairs at the air field.

The five injured crew members were taken to an area hospital, Nicholson said. The extent of the injuries was not immediately known.

The cause of the accident is under investigation, she said.


Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/14/us/florida-osprey-crash/index.html

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MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Again? There was one (USMC) two months as well! This is getting ridiculous.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 04:33 AM
Jun 2012

They're hiding their crash and lousy maintenance record, but they can only do so much.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
2. The widowmaker
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 06:12 AM
Jun 2012

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1666282,00.html
by Mark Thompson:
It's hard to imagine an American weapons program so fraught with problems that Dick Cheney would try repeatedly to cancel it — hard, that is, until you get to know the Osprey. As Defense Secretary under George H.W. Bush, Cheney tried four times to kill the Marine Corps's ungainly tilt-rotor aircraft. Four times he failed. Cheney found the arguments for the combat troop carrier unpersuasive and its problems irredeemable. "Given the risk we face from a military standpoint, given the areas where we think the priorities ought to be, the V-22 is not at the top of the list," he told a Senate committee in 1989. ...

Robb

(39,665 posts)
4. Cheney hated the Osprey for the wrong reasons.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:51 AM
Jun 2012

The Osprey concept is a "small wars" machine -- put special forces in, get them out, begone. Cheney's always been a "shock and awe" kind of military planner.

That said, this platform has been fubar from the get-go.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
9. I know first hand about that.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:59 PM
Jun 2012

I was stationed at MCAS Yuma when that horrible accident occurred back in 2000.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
11. I remember that accident. We were discussing it at my workplace at the time,
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 06:14 PM
Jun 2012

and one of the office visitors, a computational physicist familiar with the Osprey said that no one really understands the physics behind it. We didn't even have a good computational model for the vehicle.

evirus

(852 posts)
5. How exactly does it compare though?
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:07 AM
Jun 2012

It's easy to view something as bad if you only look at the bad data. you have to remember that

A) this is a troop transport so deaths should be looked at comparatively, a crashed fighter-jet would only kill the pilot for example, so if you just look at deaths a fighter jet that crashes more often than a troop transport would be viewed as safer because the crew is 1 maybe 2, compared to a troop transport that can carry several soldiers.

B) design differences between testing and production.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
6. (A) That's a fair point and
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:57 AM
Jun 2012

(B) I am not sure what you mean

I hope you enjoyed the melodrama expressed by Time Magazine.

evirus

(852 posts)
13. Crashes during test flights of early versions are counted against the final model
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:23 PM
Jun 2012

Imagine having to turn in a rough draft along with a final version of a report in school and having the errors in the rough draft counted against you regardless of the fact that you fixed the errors.

mike dub

(541 posts)
7. One of these flew over our house last weekend...
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jun 2012

at I'd say 15,000 feet. We live out in the country, and I could hear it coming a ways off. At first, it sounded like a chopper (vibrations in the air like that of the powerful, local "Eurocopter" trauma chopper flying past), but as it got closer it sounded like a turboprop-- most choppers and planes are powered by jet engines, so I guess that makes sense. But when I looked up, I could see that it was an Osprey. Strange-looking, especially at mid altitude. I'd only ever seen video of one / low to the ground/landing (Without Incident).

rickford66

(5,528 posts)
10. dangerous aircraft
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jun 2012

I have friends who worked on the software for this aircraft. They were coding up Boeing pseudo code. When the code fit in memory, it wouldn't pass unit tests and when it passed unit tests it wouldn't fit into memory. It was done over and over. That was back in the 90's. The control of the two rotors is an accident waiting to happen .... oh.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
12. Want CV-22 Parts?
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 07:47 PM
Jun 2012

Buy a field and wait.

An old, rather sad "joke" about the F-104 "Widow Maker" that seems even more applicable to the Osprey.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
14. Just force Lockheed or whoever to make some new CH-53s and CH46s for free since they gave us...
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jun 2012

...this debacle of an aircraft.

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