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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:13 PM May 2016

Oil Sands Fire Forcing 80,000 Canadians From Homes Set to Expand

Source: Bloomberg News

A fire fueled by shifting winds that forced more than 80,000 people to flee their homes and disrupted oil-sands operations in Western Canada is poised to expand.

The fire will probably grow to about 100 square kilometers (40 square miles), from around 80 now, Chad Morrison, a wildfire official, said Wednesday. Suncor Energy Inc., Royal Dutch Shell Plc and Husky Energy Inc. are among companies reducing production and opening work camps to residents fleeing blazes in Alberta’s biggest-ever evacuation caused by a fire. Inter Pipeline Ltd. shut part of its system in the province. No deaths or injuries have been reported although 1,600 buildings have been damaged.

Many residents of oil-sands hub Fort McMurray fled north to nearby sites where companies are flying out workers and making room for evacuees. Shell has shut its 255,000 barrel-a-day Albian Sands mine and Suncor, Syncrude Canada Ltd. and Connacher Oil & Gas Ltd. have also reduced output from the region. More than 1 million barrels a day of oil sands production capacity may be affected by the blaze, according to company statements and data published in Alberta’s Spring Oil Sands Quarterly.

“My house and everything I own is gone,” Mike Marchand, a crane operator for Suncor, said in a phone interview from Edmonton, where he evacuated with his family after the trailer park where he lives in Fort McMurray went up in flames. “I’ve never had anything like this happen.”

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/alberta-fires-force-evacuation-at-center-of-oil-sands-region

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Oil Sands Fire Forcing 80,000 Canadians From Homes Set to Expand (Original Post) milestogo May 2016 OP
this is really scary WhiteTara May 2016 #1
Who thinks in square anything? kiri May 2016 #2
80,000 displaced from homes milestogo May 2016 #3
Umm, my math comes with 38.6 sq miles Kelvin Mace May 2016 #16
The ice cap is melting - surprised it took 2 days for this story to break on MSM - oops it didn't floppyboo May 2016 #4
so the Koch Brothers are suing America for $15 billion? RussBLib May 2016 #9
Yup, exactlty! And this is just a foreshadowing of TPP. floppyboo May 2016 #11
Wow! catchnrelease May 2016 #19
Stopping climate change! floppyboo May 2016 #5
Yep. polly7 May 2016 #14
oil sands fire!!!!!! hopemountain May 2016 #6
The headline is a little misleading milestogo May 2016 #10
^k&r^ floppyboo May 2016 #12
This is what the KEYSTONE pipeline was going to carry Shoonra May 2016 #7
It is NOT the tarsands or pipeline - but it is DAMN close! (3 hours drive) floppyboo May 2016 #13
It's a forest fire, not an oil fire. NutmegYankee May 2016 #18
This scale of this fire is terrifying. Gumboot May 2016 #8
Sounds like a wakeup call from Geronimoe May 2016 #15
these 90 universities help the kochs deny GW certainot May 2016 #17
The Oil Sands are not the cause but climate change is Tsiyu May 2016 #20
Link to The Globe and Mail article nitpicker May 2016 #21

WhiteTara

(29,722 posts)
1. this is really scary
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

and on top of that

Some who headed south to escape the blaze ran out of gasoline as refueling stations along the road were emptied. Alberta’s Transportation Department escorted a fuel tanker along the highway to assist stranded motorists, according to a Wednesday morning Twitter post. Imperial Oil Ltd. is also supplying fuel to evacuees who fled north at the Wapasu Creek Lodge, which normally houses oil-sands workers, the company said on Twitter.

kiri

(796 posts)
2. Who thinks in square anything?
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

I find it hard to grasp 100 square kilometers (40 sq miles). Who thinks in square anything?

Here is a way to grasp it: Take the square root. 10 km by 10 km = 100 sq km. 6 miles x 7 mi = ~42 sq miles.

I can relate to 7 miles, even if curvy and irregular.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
4. The ice cap is melting - surprised it took 2 days for this story to break on MSM - oops it didn't
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

First, Fort McMurray is not in the centre of the tar sands. We might all still blow up real big, but the camps and fields to the north are quite a drive. First only so you can get your end-times panic in check.

Second - or Firstly First!!! The northern swath of Canada was on fire all last spring/summer! The ice cap is melting baby!

Fuel shortage yes, but don't go Mad Max yet. Who keeps enough fuel in their car for a 3 hour (438km to Edmonton - next sizable non reserve town) drive on a daily basis? Canada is big.

And who the fuck is going to deal with a real calamity when a pipeline blows up here??? Huh?

btw, the TransCanada pipeline only has Canada in its name. Koch brothers own it.

RussBLib

(9,035 posts)
9. so the Koch Brothers are suing America for $15 billion?
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

for cancelling the XL Pipeline

from back on Jan 6, 2016

TransCanada sues U.S. over Keystone XL pipeline rejection

TransCanada Corp sued the U.S government on Wednesday to reverse President Barack Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline, and also plans to seek $15 billion in damages from a trade tribunal. TranCanada's lawsuit in a federal court in Houston, Texas, called rejection of its permit to build the pipeline unconstitutional. In a separate action under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the company said the pipeline permit denial was "arbitrary and unjustified."

The company's U.S. lawsuit does not seek monetary damages but wants the permit denial invalidated and seeks a ruling that no future president can block construction. Its request for $15 billion under NAFTA reflects its desire to recover its investment in the pipeline.

Defendants in the Houston lawsuit are U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and Sally Jewell, Secretary of the Department of Interior. Obama, who is not named as a defendant, rejected the cross-border crude oil pipeline last November, seven years after it was first proposed, saying it would not make a meaningful long-term contribution to the U.S. economy.

The Keystone XL was designed to link existing pipeline networks in Canada and the United States to bring crude from Alberta and North Dakota to refineries in Illinois and, eventually, the Gulf of Mexico coast.


Oh boy! NAFTA! Original.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
11. Yup, exactlty! And this is just a foreshadowing of TPP.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

US companies registered in Canada. BTW - did you know, stupid fucker Harper (Bush's buddy) changed some rules so that 70% of ALL THE WORLD'S GOLMINES are registered as Canadian companies?

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
19. Wow!
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:37 AM
May 2016

'The company's U.S. lawsuit does not seek monetary damages but wants the permit denial invalidated and seeks a ruling that no future president can block construction.'

Pretty brazen that they want a permanent ruling like that. I shouldn't be surprised I guess.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
5. Stopping climate change!
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=15752
Dear friends,


Several months ago, I produced a documentary about Charles and David Koch for Global News, Canada’s largest private television chain. The film focused on the Koch’s vast holdings in Alberta’s controversial tar sands, their campaign to deny climate change, and the political power wielded by behemoth Koch Industries. The Koch brothers are some of the richest people in the world, yet the mainstream media rarely covers their efforts to flood big money into elections to further their corporate interests.


My documentary shed light on the sordid practices of the Koch brothers and the media blackout that abets them. But days before the video was set to air, executives at Global News pulled it from their broadcast schedule and I was fired. With no outlet for my story and no access to my video footage, I was forced to start from scratch and search elsewhere for a sponsor. That’s where The Real News Network stepped in.


I am teaming up with TRNN, to expose the Koch brothers’ war on the environment and their plan to buy the 2016 presidential election - and we need your help.




We need to raise $50,000 to produce and distribute How the Kochs and the Rich Buy Elections - a documentary exploring how big money corrupts the democratic process. The film will include interviews with insiders, experts, and activists who are both familiar with the Koch brothers and how they spend their cash and with the detrimental impact of money in elections.

You can watch my documentary promo below:

polly7

(20,582 posts)
14. Yep.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

Those Koch *'s have been operating up here for over 50 years, with their dirty, greedy fingers into every single bit of it.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
6. oil sands fire!!!!!!
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

bloomberg is reporting the cause of this fire and we are not being informed by our msm. wtf?
however, did catch a short blurb on hln with short snips of residents in a panic and asking why nothing is being done to save their communities?!?!

well, i have an answer for them and all of us: so the tar sands oil pigs can burn out the communities and have free access and free reign for whatever the hell it is they want to do to rape and pillage the resources of alberta and beyond.

we can no longer sit by in denial. not. a. one. of. us. they are hell bent on destroying our planet and they don't care what we say or do.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
10. The headline is a little misleading
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:12 PM
May 2016

This is a wildfire - it is not caused by the oil sands. It is just in the same region as big oil is working.

Of course the increase in wildfires is probably related to climate change, but the story isn't saying that.

See also Epic wildfire threatens to engulf Canadian city as 88,000 flee

"The province declared a state of emergency for what was shaping up to be Canada's costliest natural disaster.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the military can deploy air force planes to the stricken city as needed. Fort McMurray International Airport suspended all commercial flights."

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
12. ^k&r^
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:22 PM
May 2016

they did contain the 'city fire' - look at aerial satellites - contained the perimeter and let the town down. Looks like a volcano!

Shoonra

(523 posts)
7. This is what the KEYSTONE pipeline was going to carry
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

That Keystone pipeline that so many (mostly Republican) people said would provide (temporary) jobs, setting up a huge pipe slicing the country all the way from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico, would have been carrying this oil sand, the very same that has leaked in Canada and has caught fire and resists being put out or cleaned up. At the time Obama took a lot of flak of vetoing the pipeline project, but now it seems he saved the US from a lot of trouble that could have lasted for many decades and cost us billions of dollars.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
13. It is NOT the tarsands or pipeline - but it is DAMN close! (3 hours drive)
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

Bloomberg is way over the top in their reporting. But what they failed to report is more to the point - this area and all the area to the east over to Hudsons Bay was on fire for 5-6 months last year.

The ice cap is melting (hugely due to us). The magnetic north is shifting (happens every now and then). We are in big shit.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
18. It's a forest fire, not an oil fire.
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:29 AM
May 2016

The cause of it's intensity is a dry winter and low spring rainfall.

Gumboot

(531 posts)
8. This scale of this fire is terrifying.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:07 PM
May 2016

After being far too close to the two big fires in the Colorado Springs area in 2012 & 2013, I really feel for the locals in Fort McMurray.

The choking smoke, fear of losing everything, and the sheer panic of not knowing which direction those flames are going to turn next. The Waldo Canyon and Black Forest fires put years on me.

Let's hope the big air tankers are on their way. Best of luck to y'all.





 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
15. Sounds like a wakeup call from
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:55 PM
May 2016

God to the Canadians' who want to destroy the planet via tar sand oil.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
17. these 90 universities help the kochs deny GW
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:04 AM
May 2016
these 90 unis take a pittance in blood money to allow 268 limbaugh stations to broadcast their sports and the stations use the logos/brand to enhance their community stature and bring in advertising revenue.

if a few unis were pushed with protests and petitions into reconsidering those self destructive and absurd relationships the gop would freak out, it would get media, and advertisers would flee all of rw radio

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15hrs/day x 1200 stations, rw talk radio is worth 4.68 BIL$/ year or 390MIL$ /month FREE for coordinated global warming denial, pro republican wall st think tank propaganda, deregulation, hate, and swiftboating

those 268 stations are worth more than $1BIL/year or $87 MIL /month to get global warming deniers elected




Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
20. The Oil Sands are not the cause but climate change is
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:14 AM
May 2016

This fire is caused by very little snowfall this winter, not enough freezing temps to kill pine beetles, who kill trees and make them more prone to catch fire.

Either a careless person or a lightning strike set this one off, not oil activity, per the experts.

Very sad, since Fort McMurray, one of the towns affected, has seen a huge economic downturn, with properties in the area losing significant value because of dropped oil prices. Very scary and sad for these beleaguered people.

The oil industry is full of greedy cretins, true, but the oil companies are not to blame for these fires. They are helping evacuate people and set them up in camps and doing all they can to help the residents, many of whom are their employees.

I have no love for the oil industry, and I will piss on the graves of the evil Koch Brothers, but it is misleading to say the fires were a direct result of the oil sands. Generations of oil companies and automakers blocking and lobbying against alternative energy, human apathy, environmental degradation for loads of profit and pure, abject greed are the cause of climate change. So yeah, they suck, but the oil companies did not start these massive fires.

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