KICK to stop the party shenanigans!

Clinton Sanders Spread
RCP Total - 12,438,491 9,302,657 Clinton +3,135,834

Thy name is INFORMATION.

And then they realize they are awake, "GOP funding Sanders campaign attacks" is ridiculous, and that the "poor put upon Hillary" dream is over.

or are you a liar?

to attack Hillary.

.....and I've seen some of the stuff that's been posted by you on other threads Lewebley3.....you make very broad statements with little proof or explanation.

If anyone is helping the GOP, it's the DNC leadership. If they would listen to the platform of Sanders, they would realize that Bernie has the greatest chance of beating Trump in the fall on a myriad of issues. Namely, environmental responsibility, corporate responsibility, needless foreign engagements, the death penalty, campaign finance reform, and a host of others. Why do you think there is such a huge lack of support for Clinton this time around as compared to when Obama ran in 2008? And this lack of support truly could cause a severe fracture in the Democratic Party because we (Sanders supporters) are being asked to support a candidate who goes against so many things that we stand for. It's like asking staunch free-market supporters on the Republican side to support increases in the minimum wage. It just won't happen.

So unless Hillary decides to take the side of a complete ban on fracking, supports major healthcare reform, and begins showing a sincere stance towards non-interventionalism towards conflict in the Middle East (only supporting action when we have no other choice), then please do not expect our support.

That person has some very serious problems. His (I think) posts aren't worth anyone's time to glance at, much less respond to.

Any time spent replying to him is utterly wasted

the Koch Bros. They love Clinton and wouldn't support attacks on her. Get your head out of your pocket and understand that there are lots of people that do not like Clinton. But her supporters don't really care as long as they keep a progressive out of the WH.

He recently claimed in a thread I was in that Bernie Sanders is using millions from his campaign's fundraising to enrich himself, that he has a huge ego, and that his campaign was all about himself and his ego.

The guy's an incredible creep.

is "in it for the money" and "swindling those naive college kids."

Nope, nothing smelly about that at all.

Prove it!

the Koch Bros back Clinton, so who exactly is funding Sanders campaign attacks if not your Fat Cats. Many people are tired of the corrupt culture of Fat Cat money running our government.

Do you have a link, or just an overfed imagination? More "victim" charges?

No problem, it's almost over.

While it's fine for you to think it's over, why is it not for others to show their feelings in the matters of our country?

What they did is part of the process you AND your candidate show such disdain for. Oh my, why does Hillary and her supporters have to be bothered by such little work like campaigning?

BS rallies. The reputation of Bernie supporters antagonizing anyone not supporting their candidate is well known and has been detrimental to his cause.

The only reason nasty Hillary supporters are not outed is that Bernie's campaign doesn't do that stuff.

Get a clue.

I'd maintain that pretense too were I less rational. Though I'm sure you have a somewhat more creative reason for alleging as such... regardless of closing our posts out with half-witted bumper-stickers masquerading as thought.

that people could follow a post from the post title into the body of the post without getting lost along the way. It doesn't get better just because you repeat it twice.

That's something Hillary and her supporters can't do. Like a weathervane in the middle of a tornado.

because Hillary supporters believe their own bull shit.

around by Clinton supporters? Or do you think it was Trump?

showing up at a Bernie rally would be asking too much.

Kind of shows that they're only about hating Bernie, if you ask me. They can turn out enough to make him lose, just not enough to make her win.

They vote as automatons, thoughtlessly for the candidate whose stances on the policies are 1990s, not 2016.

Feel the Bern!

I had a fabulous day campaigning for Bernie yesterday. Just amazing.

People were thanking ME for campaigning for Bernie.

Feel the Bern!

I am excited about how well Bernie is going to do in California and probably in Oregon too.

Climate change is reality in California.

Bernie's climate change, trade and other stances are what California voters want. We live next to the ocean (well some lucky people do, not me, but you know what I mean). We reuse our bags at the grocery store because we are serious about doing every tiny thing we can to protect the ocean and our environment. We want more solar panels and less fossil fuels and we want also more jobs including retraining and jobs for coal miners in the Appalachians. So we want BERNIE!

Again: Feel the Bern!

pure AstroTurf!

.... because your candidate supports harmful energy policies harmful to the environment, and she has a history of choosing war over peace when trying to resolve problems.....among many other reasons.

Only certain copy/paste lines are allowed. (Get It)....

for the campaign Trump is going to run if Clinton is the nominee.

not, Prim & Proper. Bernie Sanders supporters CARE. Hillary supporters go along like good little automatons.

any more of that stupid democratic voting goes on. Especially in Cali.

The reason only one side is protesting the other is issues, btw, not cult of personality.

Sorry but protesting is a Dem ideal. You know who's against protests? Republicans.

We're you against people showing up to protest Bush in 2004 too?

and I cannot believe how many times I've read the old tried and true Republican "free stuff" BS from her supporters. Meanwhile she is courting Bush supporters for money...

but on the other hand these comments are a handy resource for my ignore list.

The only ones who are Freepers are the ones yelling that shit

Bernie supporters. You accuse Hillary supporters of not being Democrats when it's Bernie who is not a Democrat. He never has been and has said some really nasty things about the party he now expects to nominate him. I've been a Democrat all my life. I remember wearing a JFK button when I was 10 years old. At 68, I don't appreciate having my loyalties questioned by those who support a man who is simply using the Democratic Party for expediency.

Funny, since when is a question an accusation?
Are you going to answer my question or not? Is protesting bad?
Bernie is a Dem who is running for the Dem nomination but don't let that confuse you. Otherwise, if he was an (I) he couldn't run, correct? Correct!

Nasty things about the party? Because nobody should be above criticism? Sorry but when 89 Dem senators vote to gut SNAP, something is very wrong.

The Dem party for political expediency vs Hillary who changes her positions every 30 minutes for that very thing?
Sand meet head.

Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination, but ironically has not registered as a Democrat. Don't let that confuse you because Vermont doesn't do that. There's no rules in the Democratic Party that prohibit Independants, or even Republicans from running from nomination. But that doesn't support your narrative. Facts don't matter when binary thinkers are on the prowl.

I'm not going read some random post where you got your feels hurt to try to figure out what you are trying to say in this thred.

If you don't care enough to explain your point, or at least summarize, I'm not going to bother chasing a blind link.

You replied to me, not the other way around.

believe in protests, I did come of age during the Vietnam War, but I view the primary season as a time to build up and support your chosen candidate rather than tear down another candidate within the party with hateful rhetoric. I reserve those feelings, thoughts and actions for Republicans.

I have often been sorely disappointed when my preferred candidate did not win the nomination, but I have never opted to "take my ball and go home". The consequences were to serious to ignore.

Question/Accuse? It's a matter of degree I suppose, but you did imply that I was less than a Democrat.

You obviously have strong feelings and great dedication to your cause. As a senior with limited time remaining in this game, I hope you will stay active and remain passionate about those things you hold dear.

"I view the primary season as a time to build up and support your chosen candidate rather than tear down another candidate within the party with hateful rhetoric."

Except you trashed Sanders supporters with your iniyalnpost.

What are your thoughts on those protesting Trump?

You say here, with great certainty: " I view the primary season as a time to build up and support your chosen candidate rather than tear down another candidate within the party with hateful rhetoric. I reserve those feelings, thoughts and actions for Republicans."

But in the post just above you said, also with great certainty:
"it's Bernie who is not a Democrat. He never has been and has said some really nasty things about the party he now expects to nominate him. I've been a Democrat all my life. I remember wearing a JFK button when I was 10 years old. At 68, I don't appreciate having my loyalties questioned by those who support a man who is simply using the Democratic Party for expediency. "

So you are tearing down the other candidate with great intensity, then claiming you don't do that and that no one should be critical of your candidate.
Hypocrisy on parade.

That is related to his demand to have more control of the DNC convention. Except the ball doesn't belong to him.

When I returned I quickly joined the VVAW. Spent a lot of time protesting the war. I love what Sanders represents as should all Democrats.
Hillary? I will have a hard time voting for her because of all her baggage, including being married to Bill, he signed NAFTA and cut the safety net out from under many low to middle wage earners, as examples of things he did that were wrong. NAFTA alone destroyed the manufacturing sector of the country and took away so many American jobs. I know, I was working for General Electric at that time and watched as many of our machinist jobs left and went to Asia mostly China.. Those jobs never came back....GE went from almost 50 machinists to less than a handful GE did keep all the higher skilled jobs such as tool and die makers, but those machinist jobs were/are gone forever. I was fortunate enough to have been a T/D maker and not affected by the giant suck of jobs leaving for China. Hillary will not change anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA's_effect_on_United_States_employment#Job_loss

If we did, believe me, there would be not bills that cut SNAP.

because the candidate you're backing bears very little resemblance to one.

That's dismissing a whole lot of very fine and progressive people.

in the manner you did show very little loyalty to the people the Democratic party claims to represent.

anything Hillary has stood for, period. She, her husband and the other pro-corporate, "centrist" Democrats who took over te party in the 90's didn't even want to see themselves tagged as "liberals" after letting conservatives smear that word. She's only claiming to be a progressive now because it's what is popular, but she doesn't understand what the word means.

Back when the word began to be used widely, "progressives" were those who were to the left of the mainstream Democratic "liberals". Progressives included a lot of socialists, Greens, communists, etc., not people like Hillary Clinton. This is why I say that she and her supporters don't really understand what a "progressive" is and why it's laughable that she's trying to claim that she is one based on her record.

I think Hillary's supporters are loyal to the Democratic Party as it's constituted now - a party that has deliberately tried to push progressives aside in the pursuit of corporate dollars once reserved for Republicans.

So all of this should be thrown away?

•Appointed to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor.
•Co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
•Staff attorney for Children's Defense Fund
•Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic.
•First female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
•First female partner at Rose Law Firm.
•created Arkansas's Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth
•led a task force that reformed Arkansas's education system
•Instrumental in passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program
•Promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses
•Successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health
•Worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War (now recognized as Gulf War Syndrome)
•Helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice
•Initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act
•Helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
•Instrumental in securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment
•Leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.
•In the aftermath of September 11th, she worked closely with her senior Senate counterpart from New York, Sen. Charles Schumer, on securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
• Middle East ceasefire. In November 2012, Secretary of State Clinton brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
•Introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.

about being the "first female ____" any more than it is progressive to be the "first Black ____" or "first Latino ____".

All I see here are what could be best described as safe, liberal items that aren't really what I'd term progressive. A liberal would "work to investigate reports of illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War", a progressive would be firmly against the deployment of those troops beforehand.

A liberal would help create something like "Vital Voices", whereas a progressive would have recognized that women had long had voices and freedoms in the countries Hillary sought regime change in (Libya, Syria). I'm sorry, but you don't destroy a country that had long guaranteed freedoms and protections for women under secular government, back and aggressively push for the funding of radical jihadists to overthrow that system, then get to claim that you are "for women". Hillary is "for women" in rhetoric only. Before the US intervention in Afghanistan against the Soviets (where we and the Pakistani ISI created and funded al-Qa'ida and the Taliban), women in that country didn't wear burqas and suffer under Islamic law - they had freedom to attain education, seek employment and hold government positions. It was US who destroyed that, and I'm sure since Hillary is such a disciple of Henry Kissinger that she would have approved of what we did there in the 80's.

A liberal would broker "a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas" but a progressive would have put equal pressure on both sides of the conflict and held both equally responsible for seeing to the deal's implementation. Hillary won't even recognize the humanity of the Palestinians and has excused every human rights violation that Israel has been involved in.

A true progressive is much further to the left than Hillary would dare to tread, and I resent people like her trying to co-opt the labeling (and thus render it meaningless) just because it is politically popular at the moment. Then again, that's all Hillary Clinton has ever done so why expect anything different now?

Maybe "real" Democrats just don't give a damn about most of us. It's just a game to a lot of these people. It's why after decades of experience in the party some can just dismiss legitimate issues so casually.

I'm voting for Clinton because she is still much better option than any Republican and a majority of the Democrats! But I wonder how long Clinton and her more loyal supporters (and those like her in the party) can continue to be so casually dishonest, corrupt, and violent before it really bites us in the ass.

Your being a "real" Democrat, or the value of the party in general. Your dismissal of a protest with your rather stupid comment about "typical Sanders supporters" doesn't offer much hope for the party or give a positive view of your character either way.

Hillary supporters would NEVER accuse a liberal of not being a democrat!

Dismiss minority disenfranchisement all you want. The chickens are coming home to roost.

How do you inject race into anything I posted?

Yeah... voicing their concerns and condemning pandering.... like citizens concerned for their country.

Typical Hillary supporter dismissal of others' rights and concerns. Another "yawn" from the Hilster camp at important issues.

But ya - we got the right candidate

She has trouble drawing a crowd of 500 at a rally, she has earned half of the individual campaign contributions as Bernie; and she is forced to purchase internet mouthpieces because she has scant online support.

This election has been stolen, state after state after state. Each state primary/caucus brought us one shitstorm after another. The Republican primaries went smoothly, while our primaries were a cluster fuck mockery.

Oh. And all of the Republican exit polls reflected the actual election results. But somehow the Democratic exit polls were way off--in numerous states.

This entire primary is a complete farce.

Most countires with exit poll discrepancies like this would have cars burning in the streets.

than those who show up at the polls on the last day.

And Hillary has most of her support from people 45 and older.

So the exit polls aren't that reliable for an election with an age gap between the candidates.

Exit polls used to be the gold standard...until Ohio in 2004. Odd coincidence, that.

give our regards to Oregon.

Hillary only spoke for 14 minutes because protesters were inside her event




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"A Big Hearty California Welcome Hillary"

it is about to get real crazy.

or one of those Multimillion Dollar Hollywood events

showing her surrounded by her base.

Including a stop at the California African American Museum, which had no protesters.

The reporter who was there at the college said the small Sanders group did succeed in even interrupting her speech, let alone shutting her down.

Pathetic that those Sanders supporters would even want her shut down. Those are some ugly, authoritarian desires. She is a Democrat. She was talking about getting immigration reform passed. Hillary supporters don't go to Sanders rallies trying to interrupt his speeches. Those protesters should be embarrassed.

So I posted this thread just for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511917565

That speech ran 9 minutes over. There were no big checks to be collected.

Nice campus. Great pool.