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Judi Lynn

(160,555 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:42 PM May 2016

Harvard to ban members of single-sex clubs from leadership roles

Source: Reuters

Harvard to ban members of single-sex clubs from leadership roles

May 6, 2016

BOSTON (Reuters) - Harvard University will prohibit members of single-sex clubs, fraternities and sororities, from serving in leadership roles beginning in the fall of 2017 in an effort to discourage sexual discrimination on campus, officials said on Friday.

The Ivy League school has long been trying to stamp out single-sex clubs, which it stopped formally recognizing in 1984, though the groups known as "final clubs" as well as some fraternities and sororities have held their place on its Cambridge, Massachusetts, campus.

The new rules are intended to end longstanding practices of exclusion at the elite university, whose alumni are plentiful in high-level positions in U.S. business and politics.

"Students will decide for themselves whether to engage with these organizations, as members or otherwise," Harvard President Drew Gilpin Faust said in an open letter on Friday.


Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/harvard-ban-members-single-sex-clubs-leadership-roles-200609855.html?nhp=1

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Harvard to ban members of single-sex clubs from leadership roles (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2016 OP
No sorority or fraternity members? FLPanhandle May 2016 #1
Fraternities and sororities philosslayer May 2016 #2
Not in a same sex sorority or fraternity The Second Stone May 2016 #4
My daughter is in a sorority. FLPanhandle May 2016 #5
I wish her the best with it. The Second Stone May 2016 #6
I hear you! FLPanhandle May 2016 #7
Nice to hear someone with so much humility even though I bet it isn't true. Akicita May 2016 #8
I'm a humble man, but I have good cause to be The Second Stone May 2016 #9
lol. Good one. Akicita May 2016 #10
Aren't you the Marxist whistler162 May 2016 #15
I am a Marxist, not a Stalinist or a Trotskyite or a Maoist The Second Stone May 2016 #17
Do you feel your daughter would not have had as good an experience with a mixed-sex Greek house? Bibliovore May 2016 #12
Years ago, Playboy magazine published a list.. lastlib May 2016 #13
They were disgusting fire traps, but I was always under the The Second Stone May 2016 #14
Chico cracked down after a bunch of students drank themselves to death. LeftyMom May 2016 #16
Gender neutrality baby. It's here to stay. The Womens Studies Program will now have to become the Akicita May 2016 #3
I know u are being sarcastic but womens studies programs ARE being renamed Gender studies Liberal_in_LA May 2016 #19
When is their men's hockey team going co-ed? nt hughee99 May 2016 #11
I'll predict the clubs will become secret. n/t 24601 May 2016 #18
 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
4. Not in a same sex sorority or fraternity
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

Mixed is allowed under these rules.

I went to UCLA, and generally avoided the "greek" houses like the plague, as common as they were. The sororities were much, much cleaner places. I've seen cleaner jails than the UCLA fraternities.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
5. My daughter is in a sorority.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

I wasn't thrilled about her joining, but it actually has been a positive experience for her and got her more involved.

I was wrong about my initial judgment, and it's a shame that now some schools want to punish students for joining.

Live and let live.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
8. Nice to hear someone with so much humility even though I bet it isn't true.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:31 PM
May 2016

I would wager that most people would love to join a club that had someone like you.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
9. I'm a humble man, but I have good cause to be
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

Seriously though, the club line is stolen directly from Groucho Marx. As much as I avoid communism and socialism, I'm quite the Marxist.

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx.

Bibliovore

(185 posts)
12. Do you feel your daughter would not have had as good an experience with a mixed-sex Greek house?
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:47 PM
May 2016

I haven't read anything about whatever Harvard's doing with Greek houses or other one-gender-only organizations prior to this post, but what I immediately thought when I read this headline was that it's an interesting way of avoiding "old-boys'-club politics," in either gender direction.

(You probably already know this, but for the benefit of anyone reading who doesn't: Historically, it wasn't uncommon for mostly-male leadership bodies' male members to network, socialize, and/or have policy discussions in men-only clubs. In some cases their aim was to exclude the female members; in some they were just talking shop when they bumped into each other in a place they frequented, but either way, it unfairly cut the women in the leadership body out of a lot of the decision-making and politicking.)

I have no idea whether that has tended to happen in colleges with single-gender groups. It does seem that Harvard's new policy would make such things harder, though, while still allowing mixed-gender Greek houses. Would a mixed house have given your daughter a similarly positive experience?

lastlib

(23,252 posts)
13. Years ago, Playboy magazine published a list..
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:27 AM
May 2016

ot the top ## party colleges in the country. At the end of the article was this disclaimer:

NOTE: UCLA and the University of Missouri were not included in this ranking; we felt it was unfair to let the PROS compete with the amateurs."


Might explain why the frat-houses were that way....
 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
14. They were disgusting fire traps, but I was always under the
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:00 AM
May 2016

impression that Cal State Chico was the big leagues for partiers. Disproven by my friends and relatives who went there, who are non-partiers.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
3. Gender neutrality baby. It's here to stay. The Womens Studies Program will now have to become the
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

People Studies Program. I'm excited for the progress. When will they de-genderize the soccer and basketball teams? Having two teams for each sport is becoming redundant and causes problems for transitioning persons.

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