Trump tells crowd Clinton wants to 'abolish' Second Amendment
Source: The Hill
Donald Trump threw a new claim Hillary Clinton's way at a Saturday rally, telling the crowd that she wants to do away with the Second Amendment.
"Hillary Clinton wants to abolish the Second Amendment. She wants to abolish it," Trump said at a Saturday rally in Lynden, Wash.
"Hillary Clinton wants to take your guns away and she wants to abolish the Second Amendment. She wants to take the bullets away."
"We're going to cherish the Second Amendment, we're going to take care of the Second Amendment."
Clinton is in favor of universal background checks, closing loopholes on gun purchases and increasing restrictions on domestic abusers and the mentally ill. And she wants to repeal the law that prevents victims of gun violence from suing retailers or manufacturers, among other measures.
Read more: http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/279139-trump-tells-rally-crowd-clinton-wants-to-abolish-second
Kingofalldems
(38,475 posts)thucythucy
(8,086 posts)Where's this guy been for the past eight years?
mac56
(17,574 posts)Release The Hounds
(467 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,592 posts)There was no ammunition left on the shelves. Seriously. What are these guys afraid of? If the military is tasked with patrolling a city, do they think their pitiful arsenal is going to do any good?
I'm not against guns, just gun insanity.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)but last month she didn't.
houston16revival
(953 posts)and gullibility
anything can happen when arousing the passions
The press may never call out exaggerations, distortions or even outright lies
We are in a horse race to be sure
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)Dammit. Where have all the good songwriters gone.
This was before my time; but it always reminds me of my high school English teacher, as this was her favorite song. Whenever anyone got a little sassy with her, she'd look at you with a facetious little smile and sing the first line.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)Wow. The panning of instruments right and left is extreme.
All the vocals are up front.
Great song.
Thanks for posting!
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Thank you for the last paragraph. So many times things are passed along without clarification.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)It's like he's throwing shit on a wall just to see if it'll stick.
rurallib
(62,448 posts)so they will try to make it into a horse race. And Trump, he'll play along.
and with all the hacked voting machines and voter suppression, he may just win.
Oh lordy
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)every gun jerk on the Internet tells.
msongs
(67,441 posts)this issue
cprise
(8,445 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)I'm frightened by what we will discover.
7962
(11,841 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Cuz people with guns/weapons tend to wipe themselves out.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Matthew, right?
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)And its pretty well documented that owning a gun is several times more dangerous to the owner than not having one.
Wikipedia:
Most scholars believe the Gospel of Matthew was composed between 80 and 90 AD, with a range of possibility between 70 to 110 AD (a pre-70 date remains a minority view).[2][3] The anonymous author was probably a male Jew, standing on the margin between traditional and non-traditional Jewish values, and familiar with technical legal aspects of scripture being debated in his time.[4] Writing in a polished Semitic "synagogue Greek",[5] he drew on three main sources, the Gospel of Mark, the hypothetical collection of sayings known as the Q source, and material unique to his own community, called "Special Matthew", or the M source.[6]
The Gospel of Matthew is a creative reinterpretation of Mark,[7] stressing Jesus' teachings as much as his acts,[8] and making subtle changes to reveal his divine nature Mark's "young man" who appears at Jesus' tomb, for example, becomes a radiant angel in Matthew.[9] The divine nature of Jesus was a major issue for the community of Matthew, the crucial element marking them from their Jewish neighbors;[10] the Gospel of Mark recounts prior revelations in Jesus' lifetime on earth, at his baptism and transfiguration, but Matthew goes back further still, showing Jesus as the Son of God from his birth, the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Generally speaking it is more associated with Christianity than Judaism, as Jews do not believe that Jesus was the son of God, nor do they believe that he fulfills any Old Testament prophecy.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Jewish tradition that the meek shall inherit the earth. Jesus was a good example. The early Christians let the Romans walk all over them in the early years. Yet they predomionated.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)...which later morphed into Christianity once Jesus was deified a couple of centuries later. Once Christians became the dominate power structure they forgot about pretty much everything Jesus commanded them to do.
In truth,there was only one christian and he died on the cross.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
former9thward
(32,077 posts)than not having one. Anyone can do anything with statistics depending on your agenda.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)up to 45 times more likely to injure or kill a family member than to be actually used in legitimate self-defense from intruders. Domestic dispute, suicide, accidents much more likely than family self-defense.
Cars are 100000 times more likely to be used in family transportation than to be in fatal accident.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)Especially since no state, local or federal law enforcement body records such a statistic. I have defended my household against a home invader one time with the use of a gun. I did not call the police afterwards because I was sure the situation would not be repeated by the individual and I had no use for the police at that time.
I have had guns since my father gave me one at 6 years old and that was sixty years ago. In that time none of my guns have ever been used in domestic disputes, suicide, or accidents. That is the experience with most of the scores of millions of Americans who own guns. I don't bother with statistics (love the "100,000" nice round number internet statistic) because in the gun debate everyone throws their own set of statistics into the mix and no one cares.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)in the 1990's. The NRA was so shocked they immediately sent their powerful lobbyists to outlaw anymore CDC research on gun stats. Or they had the CDC gun research $ so deeply cut that no CDC research has been done on it since. Its like the Kremlin KGB came down on the CDC so hard it had a deeply chilling effect on the CDC even mentioning guns. Nobody there would touch gun research with a 10 foot pole.
Point is guns main purpose is self-defense like cars is transportaion. But guns actually have the opposite effect of their intended purpose.
beevul
(12,194 posts)That's Kellerman, thoroughly discredited. I don't know if the CDC used his work or not, but I do note that the CDC says there are almost 70 thousand defensive gun uses annually:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172191826
Not factually true. From the actual law as passed:
None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)and very rarely if ever hear of guns being used for their intended purpose of self-defense from invaders or assaults.
beevul
(12,194 posts)In a country of 300 million people who possess 300 million guns, 70 thousandish defensive gun uses annually is not outlandish regardless what one "hears".
(on edit: I misspoke. It wasn't the cdc, it was the anti-gun VPC.)
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)The research provides the latest evidence debunking the myth of defensive gun use.
BY EVAN DEFILIPPIS AND DEVIN HUGHES·July 14, 2015
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/defensive-gun-use-armed-with-reason-hemenway/
beevul
(12,194 posts)I need read no more. Hemenway is about as unbiased and un-ideological, as DU or FR.
Meanwhile, this uses actual real life unbiased statistics from the FBI, and reports 338,700 defensive uses over 5 years:
http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf
That's just shy of 70 thousand a year, which is roughly double the number of total gun deaths, and roughly 7 times the number of murders by gun, annually.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)From the article:
By using the NCVS data, Hemenways analysis has several key advantages over other study examining DGUs. Even the best-designed surveys fail to produce reliable estimates for defensive gun use because they inadvertently capture a large number of false positives, producing final estimates that dont comport with reality. The most famous one-off study on this subject, conducted by criminologists Gary Kleck and Mark Gertz in 1992, estimated that guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. But as weve written before, we now know that number to be mathematically impossible in light of reliable empirical data like hospital records, victimization surveys, gun violence archives, and police records.
beevul
(12,194 posts)According to a known anti-gun hack who can not be trusted on the subject of guns.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Except buying congress members for the benefit of the for-profit gun industry.
beevul
(12,194 posts)I trust you know the difference.
The gang murders that take place every day severely skew all straight stats requiring much more careful analysis like Hemenways.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Using "hemenway" and "careful" in the same sentence is funny.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)much less biased than the pro-death for profit industry.
I've known 3 who shot themselves one a murder -suicide. So guess that would be 4. Never known anybody who used a gun in self-defense. Not even close. Hemenway has a lot less to profit than the NRA/gun industry does which like the Koch's oil empire has hundreds of billions to lose.
beevul
(12,194 posts)What personal experience do you have with hemenway, with which to compare the two?
None? That's what I thought.
In other words, you were just talking shit, otherwise known as going into "say something, even if its wrong" mode, weren't you?
Interesting. My list is a little longer than that, but then, its longer on the defensive use side as well. I myself have had multiple DGUs here on the farm, that I'm quite sure nobody counted, though they weren't necessarily "defense of self". In addition, I know, personally, several individuals who have had defensive gun uses.
Absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence, regardless of who is or isn't keeping count.
Hemenway is a rabid anti-gun ideologue, so profit doesn't even enter into it.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)The meek inheriting the earth is the NT, and you can just about safely assume anything to do with power in the NT is a swipe at the Romans.
Flatpicker
(894 posts)Expecting some big NRA money shortly.
Either that or he's planning on selling Trump ammo.
"Trump bullets are YUUGE! There the classiest bullets you could ever use for taking out loads of minorities, women, and children. They are so large that I can't even lift them with my little baby fingers."
I'm gonna hate this election cycle.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)any day now, Obama is finally going to get around to taking away the guns.
At least that is what I keep hearing
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Mind you, I'm not a fan of HRC.
But any headline that begins: Trump says, Trump opines, Trump farts, Trump "thinks"...
Is a preamble to some garbage that may just as well be skipped for the benefit of all.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)biggest cowards on the planet
madville
(7,412 posts)During a Hillary presidency. I would expect Congress to swing heavily to the Republicans in the 2018 midterms if she wins this year, that's pretty typical, like 2010.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)The Clinton Foundation can not be an arms dealer?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Very possible for some crowd she spouted repealing the 2nd Amendment. But she flip-flopped again the next night. Hard keeping up with her super turbine weathervane spinning.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)....depending on which state Hillary is in when he says it.
Darb
(2,807 posts)It's an epidemic.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Less than smart. You look better with it.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Only pea brains like Ted Nugent and freepers actually believe that ridiculous claim.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)just a highway ride down the road for support.
Hugin
(33,198 posts)I refuse to react to the blob... Thereby, denying him of the blob he needs to survive.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)demos so I can understand why it would rile his voters
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I'm more worried about Hillary taking away my weed and freedom from surveillance. The truth is Bush would've taken away everyone's guns if he could've gotten away with it.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)There are a lot of voters willing to believe that canard, but they're going to vote for Trump anyway and made up their minds long ago.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)it's at 42:30 -- don't watch the rest, it's a nightmare of self-adoration gone wild
he made it sound like a huge crowd, but the picture doesn't lie
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Xolodno
(6,401 posts)...no chance in hell it could be overturned. Add to that it's the second amendment, part of the founding fathers...and then lets throw in the only part of the original Constitution that allowed slaves...which took a war to essentially overturn...
Don't see it being abolished any time soon. And if fact, at best, be regulated into a "semi-ban"...where the owners are allowed to store and use their guns at "appropriate" venues.
But given that, Trump (and Tea Party) supporters don't have enough "functionality" to figure that out. And think whoever the next President is going to "take away their guns"...because a local politician said so...despite the obvious hurdles...
well, what can I say.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I don't think Madame President Presumptive is interested in funding such a fight.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)than the polls are showing.
The likes of this ilk have never entered the arena of President of the U.S.
Whoever wins the Dem side had better be ready.
I find the freak frighteningnot funny.
braddy
(3,585 posts)at the same time, a pro with a billion dollars at her disposal and the never yet released DNC opposition research on Donald J. Trump's almost gangster life.
Trump is getting ready to meet a machine that he has never seen before, and which his lounge lizard Mussolini act, and 70 year sleazy life, will not hold up to well.
TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)jpak
(41,759 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)But the idea that she wants to abolish the Second Amendment is simply ridiculous. And even if she DID want to do away with the Second Amendment, it isn't like she can pull out her magic president wand and wish it away. She'd have to get Congress on board (not going to happen) as well as 38 states (REALLY not going to happen). But Trump supporters will believe that she's going to send in the black helicopters with UN troops to seize your firearms because, well, they aren't particularly bright. And yes, I'm a supporter of the Second Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms.