*BREAKING NBC* Sanders Wins in West Virginia Democratic Primary
Source: NBC
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has won the West Virginia Democratic primary, NBC News projects, a victory that will add yet more fuel to his argument that he should remain in the race despite badly trailing front runner Hillary Clinton in the overall delegate count. The win comes one week after Sanders prevailed in Indiana's Democratic primary and two weeks after Clinton dominated a series of contests in the northeastern United States.
Democrats also voted on Tuesday in a presidential "beauty contest" in Nebraska, although the delegates from that state were all previously assigned during a March 5 caucus. In that contest, Sanders won 15 pledged delegates, compared to 10 for Clinton. <snip>
Clinton's faltering is a marked difference from her performance in the state eight years ago, when she beat then-candidate Barack Obama by more than 40 percent.
Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/sanders-wins-west-virginia-democratic-primary-n571356
most interesting thing from link for me...
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dinkytron
(568 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)If he actually crushes it (70% or more) in CA, I bet that would be the biggest comeback in US political history.
We need him. Go Bernie!!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Now if we can just get rid of the caucus system in WA and have a primary... (sigh).
fierywoman
(7,696 posts)I'm in Kirkland and I second that idea!
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)like the WA Republican Party does, instead of from the caucuses.
Apparently a lot of other people also submitted resolutions to dump the WA Dem caucus process.
fierywoman
(7,696 posts)Thank you for doing that!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)c588415
(285 posts)Clinton out in my state of California, according to RealClearPolitics.com. My candidate Hillary Clinton, is the chosen 1, and she is going to win it all
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Duckfan
(1,268 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)NJCher
(35,764 posts)Cher
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Poor old thing is now a pariah.
840high
(17,196 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)kadaholo
(304 posts)Way to go West Virginia!!! GO BERNIE!!!!
k8conant
(3,030 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Trump was farther away and he won under 300 delegate isn't exactly badly behind. he's just rather behind not badly , he's like Eric Liddell, a ways back. running up to win at the last minute
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)for him to get a majority of pledged delegates, even if he got 100% of those remaining.
His only hope now is to lose the majority of pledged delegates and then somehow convince hundreds of the super delegates to switch to him from Hillary -- even though she will have won votes from millions more voters and hundreds more pledged delegates.
The Dem and Rethug races aren't comparable for two major reasons. They have a completely different number of delegates that they're working with. And they have winner-take-all races, and Trump won a bunch of large, winner-take-all states.
If we had winner-take-all, Hillary would have won this long ago.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)Ashford NE-2 endorsed hillary last year. After his district went BIG for Bernie he decided to stay home. NOTHING from Hillary about that math. IF Bernie repeats tonight in the NE primary, Ashforf can be a complete flip.
Look for this to happen to supers that want to get re-elected in states or districts that went Bernie!
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)tonight on MSNBC or CNN (I was switching back and forth so I don't remember) if any supers had announced they were switching to him yet and he said no -- that would happen after all the races were over.
So he's promoting the idea that even when Hillary wins the primaries, they'll convince the supers to switch sides and elect the losing candidate anyway.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)IF neither gets enough committed, why shouldn't the super vote WITH their constituents votes?
As Bernie closes in with states leaning to him, hr supers get nervous. IF all you can say is math, you should be worried.
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)And is tied with Trump in THREE Swing states. She has to WIN two of those IF she is the nominee!
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)a 2-front war.
And that Florida poll was extremely skewed. Their weighted sample had 32% Dem and GOP, and 31% non-affiliated -- but 2014 state registration #'s said there were 4.6 million Dems, 4.2 million GOP, and less than 2.8 million non-affiliated.
So the high number of Indy's and GOP made it appear that Trump had stronger support than he does.
KPN
(15,665 posts)She's fighting because she has to.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)pnwmom
(109,001 posts)pledged delegates, even if he won 100% of the remaining pledged delegates.
Hillary will win -- the only question is when.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Notice I said GE. If you don't understand that, it means general election. You know, against Tump.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)Then it gets interesting. Supers in states & districts that went Bernie want to get re-elected etc.
Today's poll of three swing states tied Hillary/Trump is not a good sign to supers . November candidate MUST win TWO of them!. Many supers do want to win in November.
Bernie polls Better than Hillary against Trump every time.
Today: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/who-s-more-likely-beat-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-or-n570766
Who's More Likely to Beat Donald Trump Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders?
Source: NBC News
by HANNAH HARTIG, JOHN LAPINSKI and STEPHANIE PSYLLOS
Hillary Clinton holds a 12-point lead over Bernie Sanders nationally, but in a hypothetical match-up against Donald Trump, Sanders does much better than the current Democratic front-runner.
As Ted Cruz and John Kasich exited the Republican primary race last week making Trump the party's presumptive nominee Clinton and Sanders have used Trump's candidacy to argue that they would be in the best position to defeat him in the general election in November.
When respondents in our NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll were asked whether they would cast a vote for Trump or either of the Democratic candidates still in the race, Sanders is the favorite over Trump by 13 points.
Clinton also beats Trump, but the race is decidedly closer 49 percent to 44 percent. These results are according to the latest from the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll conducted online from May 2 through May 8 of 12,714 adults including 11,089 registered voters.
FULL story at link. MAY 10 2016, 6:23 AM ET
ablamj
(333 posts)Bernie could be one pledged delegate short of the nomination and I still think they'd choose Hillary. They want to stay on the money train.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)ozone_man
(4,825 posts)From the article:
Among pledged delegates, Clinton holds a lead of 282 over Sanders, meaning that he would have to win 65 percent of the remaining delegates to catch up.
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)without help from super delegates. And he would need to flip hundreds of supers who are committed to her.
But how do you think a man who has gotten 45% of delegates so far is suddenly going to up his game to 65% from now on?
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)pnwmom
(109,001 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I have yet to understand why some Hillary supporters are so averse to simply doing that.
If Bernie's actually hurting her for the general, she's way too delicate. If he's not, I'd love to spend my Bernie money in peace.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I just worked it out, according to here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
Please correct my math if I messed up.
Elected delegates, which is what I prefer to call them:
1705 Clinton
1414 Bernie
897 remaining
4016 total, 2008 = 50%
Number to get Bernie to 2008 = 594
594 / 897 = 66.22073%, plus one.
That's the numbers I got, anyway. And right now these delegates are the only ones I care about.
Lokijohn
(46 posts)You are completely and loudly wrong. He is trailing by 291 pledged delegates (less after today) and California alone has 475 delegates. Please review your talking points.
Go Bernie!
tom_kelly
(962 posts)pnwmom
(109,001 posts)Last edited Tue May 10, 2016, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)
Bernie is the Democratic nominee.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)pnwmom
(109,001 posts)Redwoods Red
(137 posts)pnwmom
(109,001 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)I'll prefer to write his name in though. Trump kinda hit the wall by encouraging riots. X_X not that Anti Trump people are any better (trashing a cop car is not exactly a good thing)
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)as you yourself acknowledge.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)I prefered Obama to Hillary in 08. This year I prefer Bernie to Hillary. I'm a D!!!!
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Sanders message rests on the fact that Clinton represents the Democratic Party policies and approaches of the past.
"In every primary, in every caucus election up to now, this campaign has won the overwhelming majority of votes of people under 45 years of age and what that tells me and should tell everyone is that our vision of a nation which strives for economic, social, racial and environmental justice is the vision for Americas future," he said in Sacramento, adding pointedly: "Our agenda is the future of America and the future of the Democratic Party."
in other words
CLINTON: "BEEN THERE, DONE THAT"
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)I don't support Trump I don't support Hillary won't vote for either. Good luck in November.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)these are Independents, and they reflect what is going on across the country. Independents will swing AWAY from Clinton in a general election and Trump will benefit -- but against Bernie, those same Independents stay with the Democratic Party
This is about Democrats retaining the White House, not trying to hand it to a Clinton
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)in the primary would choose to vote for Trump in the general.
Now they're saying 35% instead of 40%, but the point remains. Bernie voters are far less likely than Hillary voters to say that they'd stick with their candidate if their candidate was in the General with Trump.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)"No, Chris Hayes said they said if BERNIE was the nominee in the General, these Bernie voters in the primary would choose to vote for Trump in the general. "
progressoid
(50,000 posts)Where are they getting this fluctuating number from?
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)progressoid
(50,000 posts)So I just looked into this phenomenon, and the Google machine took me to this oldie but goodie...
Exit polls: Half of Clinton's supporters won't back Obama
(CNN) - Just how badly is the Democratic Party divided?
According to the exit polls, half of Clinton's supporters in Indiana would not vote for Obama in a general election match up with John McCain. A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while 17 percent said they would not vote at all. Just 48 percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November.
Obama gets even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina. There, only 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama over McCain. Thirty-eight percent said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote.
Obama voters appear to be more willing to support Clinton in November. In Indiana, 59 percent of Obama backers said they'd vote for Clinton, and 70 percent of Obama backers in North Carolina said they'd support the New York Democrat.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/
Yet in contrast to all the predictions and this exit poll, Obama won Indiana and North Carolina.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_North_Carolina,_2008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Indiana,_2008
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)No it means that Republicans are playing dirty
Trump encouraged his supporters to vote for Sanders cause he knows Sandwrs is the weaker candidate in the general election
This is why closed primaries are the only legitimate way to select the parties candidate
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...on the voting preferences of Independents, who currently outnumber both Democrats & also outnumber Republicans.
In order to win in November, we need a candidate who can appeal to Independents -- Bernie succeeds better than Hillary in this regard.
Finally, you provide no evidence that some voters heeded Trump's call (that you allege) and arrived at the polls to vote for Bernie.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)40% of Sanders voters in WV say they are voting for Trump regardless of the Dem nominee.
Pretty damn obvious.
If Independents want to influence a party's selection, they can register as that party.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...to be Hillary.
Don't you yourself believe that the Democratic nominee will be Hillary?
YES OR NO?
LOL!!
Response to pnwmom (Reply #5)
Duval This message was self-deleted by its author.
McKim
(2,412 posts)They are calling his wins an anomaly and putting him down as a fringe candidate. Their desperation is laughable.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)Now Kornacki is saying many of them are old Dems. Like that is bad!
Politicub
(12,165 posts)A third basically said they are voting for the person they're planning on voting against.
Duval
(4,280 posts)I believe his chances of winning are increasing! And this without hardly any coverage from our MSM. His message is resonating with more and more people. Thank you for this good news,tomm2thumbs!
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)yay!!!!!
frylock
(34,825 posts)Drop out before you win any more primaries!
Nice...
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)team Hillary. Next up, Oregon and Kentucky.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)Annoying tomorrow when its coming from Her acolytes
AzDar
(14,023 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Think the voters might be sending a message to TPTB?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)be a shellacking.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)This doesn't change the numbers.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Just saying.
He may win those primaries, but it won't give him the delegate count needed.
benny05
(5,322 posts)We are grateful for the win and don't take votes for granted.
[link:
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)She's just about blown off California , their votes don't matter to her. she reminds me of Mitt Romney. Who paid attention too much to the wrong polls and went off boating when he really should have been on the road..
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)and easily confused! Why do they have to have this whole "voting" thing anyway? How much longer will she have to suffer the smell of the unwashed masses?
(attention alerters and jury - complaining of being exhausted and confused is something HUMA said about her, not me)
pacalo
(24,721 posts)(Just kidding.)
You had me going for a second!
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)Pretty lame to declare victory with GOP dirty tricks putting you on top.
Open primaries are useless.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)kevink077
(365 posts)Bernie is way more electable that Clinton. If republican dummies want to cross over and vote for Sanders, let's have them!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)I'm thinking that Democrats simply don't like Clinton ...
Nobody to blame except the Clintons for that ...
Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)will vote for Trump in the GE?
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Maybe you need to ask yourself why nobody wants to vote for Clinton ...
Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)Goodness.
Pat Riots
(76 posts)goodness!
progressoid
(50,000 posts)Up thread its 35 and 40 percent. Whose ass are these numbers being pulled out of?
chknltl
(10,558 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)IF Bernie wins NE-2 US Congressman Ashford could be convinced to vote Bernie at the convention. Her endorsed Hillary last year. After NE-2 went BIG for Bernie he said he was staying home. This could be a flip of a super-delegate.
OS
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)I haven't heard if our super delegates will pay attention.
Maybe they're planning to just wait and be primaried in two years.
We are going to have a lot of democratic socialist PCOs before this year is done.
Uncle Joe
(58,456 posts)Thanks for the thread, tomm2thumbs.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Bernie could give that state to the Democrats decisively!!!!
Uncle Joe
(58,456 posts)Peace to you.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)too push them over the top in popular vote count, pledged delegate vote count and superdelegate vote count. All that needs to be done now is to emphasize victories like this one in in West Virginia and hope the MSM downplays the others and we can continue being in complete freaking denial of establishment reality.
kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)Thanks, t...
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)Meh.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)Seriously. Who? Bernie?
Lord no. Congrats to him if that's who you are taking about.
Or the poster? I'm confused on the who
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)CA is actually going to matter this primary season.
Bernie has kept his promise. Love that about him!
lastone
(588 posts)She loses against donnie boy, she'll wreck the democrats chance of retaking any Senate or House seats as well.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)because her primary opponents supporters want her to?
Your foolish comment is no different than when Hillary supporters say Bernie should bow out.
lastone
(588 posts)She has a much greater chance of losing and costing us seats.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)The only thing that will cost seats are Bernie voters who are seemingly acting more like Tea Party members and or small children.
The same mentality that lost seats in the midterms, being pouty children throwing a tantrum when they don't get what they want when they want it. Or you can chalk it up to pure laziness.
lastone
(588 posts)On many levels. Hrc doesn't win the general without Sanders supporters and the shear presumptiveness (and sometimes pure assholeness, the unicorn bullshit for one example) her and her supporters are not making any effort to bring them over. Hrc doesn't poll as well as Sanders v trump so your advocating choosing a losing position. I'll remind you of this repeatedly when I'm unfortunately right.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)pnwmom
(109,001 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)pnwmom
(109,001 posts)So Hillary saying she was going to extend Obama's policies didn't play well there.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/189002/obama-rated-best-hawaii-2015-worst-west-virginia.aspx
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)which is it?
TeamPooka
(24,264 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)she can't shift them on someone else
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)pnwmom
(109,001 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Anything? or is it just more static in the field?
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)as someone who will continue Obama's legacy, so it isn't surprising that Bernie is doing better than Hillary.
OTOH, we also know from the exit polls that 35% of Bernie voters say that if Bernie DOES make it to the general, they'll pick Trump instead.
So they aren't thrilled with any Dem.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)For example, Bernie draws 25% of the GOP voters in his home state ov Vermont.
Can you name another Senator who enjoys such broad voter appeal? I can't.
Flying Shoe
(23 posts)Well put! +1
retrowire
(10,345 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Google shows only 1% reporting with Hillary in the lead.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Does anyone know where the link is to the primary's that shows the map with the counties as they come in?
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I even googled it "by county" and it still didn't come up. I'll have to bookmark it this time.
Oops, this isnt' the right one either. This has garbage all over it, popups drive me nuts.
CNN has a better one.
OK, now I'm pissed. The Hill campers keep complaining that Bernie won't have enough pledged delegates to win by majority, so he can't win...and they say if he goes contested convention, he's evil because the people's votes count.
Well guess what...right now I'm seeing
Sanders with 13 pledged delegates and 1 super delegate
Hillary with nine pledged delegates, six super delegates.
HTF is that fair? He has the majority of the votes and the majority of the pledged delegates, but the supers are going to her. Fuck them. The rules are only fair if they play in Hillary's favor.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Mollari' graphic. Pretty damn funny
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I said I was going to use it and there was no objection.
The moderator of the JMS forum registered here so she could post in a JMS thread I started. Very nice lady.
http://jmsnews.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)I'm impressed that he's got an entire 'JMSNews' site. And that, after all these years, there's an active B5 forum on it.
Or... maybe not - best Sci-fi television ever, in my opinion.
Glad they let you use the graphic - I really did 'laugh out loud.'
beaglelover
(3,496 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Great damn news!!!
#FeelTheBern !!!
Sanders for President 2016 !!!
& 100th recommendation !!!
McKim
(2,412 posts)Let's not buy this myth so fast. It smells. It smells like that myth that our soldiers were spat on when they came home from Vietnam.
The myth that Sanders voters will switch to vote Trump is an inflamatory tool that is being pushed through the Main Stream Media to discredit Sanders voters. I am a Sanders voter and I don't know any other Sanders voter who would ever, every dream of voting for Trump. Let's not give this any legitimacy, folks. It sounds very made up.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)just like the lie that repubs are crossing over in open primaries to vote for Bernie.
So, if trump voters are crossing over(as was said in this thread), who's voting for trump?
You only get one vote, dumbasses, in MO, more Rs voted than Dems(Thanks, DWS).
So, how do they add the numbers to come to some idiot
conclusion that the Rs are trying to spoil the system?
They LIE and Make Shit Up.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)LOLz
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)soothing. relaxing. bonus sugar kick.
LOLz
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Ignore hypothetical matchups in primary season they also measure nothing. General election polls before and during the primary season have a very wide margin of error. Thats especially the case for candidates who arent even in the race and therefore havent been treated to the onslaught of skeptical media coverage usually associated with being the candidate.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/harrys-guide-to-2016-election-polls
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,725 posts)which means she will probably get a little less than half the delegates from that state.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)And if you support him, you're everything wrong with the Democrats. You're probably a Bernie Bro Republican who loves his D- NRA rating, which shows he loves the NRA.
Besides, he's so far behind in the delegate count, it's over! Even though the Superdelegates are giving Clinton the advantage because they are Democratic establishment candidates. In pledged delegates, Bernie is only behind by less than 150, but that's doesn't matter.
Oh, and screw you Bernie Bros too. We HRC fans don't want or need you to win this election. Go support your fake Democrat who is in it only for himself, even though we HRC fans loved Bernie and his positions before he decided to challenge the coronation!
MASSIVE SNARK here.
Go Bernie!
Lodestar
(2,388 posts)bern on
kadaholo
(304 posts)Love this, Lodestar!
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)love the sentiment
SusanLarson
(284 posts)According to Clintonites on this forum both the primary, and the election have already been decided; and you have a mental defect if you feel otherwise (laugh)....
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)He was down by about 295 pledged delegates before tonight, and after he'll be down by about 290-292.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)A winning streak before June 7 helps in NJ!
http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/
Tue, May 17 Kentucky (D) 61 - Closed
Tue, May 17 Oregon 73 Closed
Sat, Jun 4 Virgin Islands Caucus (D) 12 - Open
Sun, Jun 5 Puerto Rico Caucus (D) 67 - Open
Tue, Jun 7 California 546 Mixed (see below)
Tue, Jun 7 Montana 27 Open
Tue, Jun 7 New Jersey 142 Mixed
Tue, Jun 7 New Mexico 43 Closed
Tue, Jun 7 North Dakota Caucus (D) 23 - Closed
Tue, Jun 7 South Dakota 25 Closed
Tue, Jun 14 District of Columbia (D) 46 - Closed
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Most are small states with not a significant number of delegates.
Clinton is up in New Jersey by about 18 points.
And so what if she doesn't hold huge rallies. She's always liked more intimate crowds.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,026 posts)some good news for the Bernie supporters?
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)I've come across a number of Sanders supporters this evening who say Clinton should drop out.
There's nothing wrong with being happy about the win, but you have to be honest about it too.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Dems have no enthusiasm for her which is reflected by the voluntary rallies. Name recognition along with first female pres is what is getting her marks on the ballots.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)No one needs to scream their heads of or go to some rally to show enthusiasm.
Sanders supporters certainly have a way of trying to diminish what she's accomplished.
Maybe I should say it's the 'free stuff' that Bernie is harping about that getting the marks on his ballots.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)With Hillary having poll trouble TODAY in THREE swing states with Trump BEFORE R's unified behind their man, supers that want to win in Nov will have a lot to think about.
You go on thinking it's over. I'll go on thinking Bernie can win. We aren't accomplishing squat here.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)You can continue to think Bernie will win as long as you remember that it is just a thought.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)REALLY???
Many of them want to be re-elected AND win POTUS in Nov. They can do the poll math.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)They have no reason to. Not even with the polling that came out today.
Not all supers are elected officials.
They're not going to switch, mark my words.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)Those are great Democrats...
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)It's just apparently the wishes of a Sanders supporter who not getting what they want.
Omaha Steve
(99,775 posts)It gets worse for Hillary from here. The Conservatives are united now that they have their candidate.
More like Hillary supporters ....
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)The republican had their candidate before the democrats in 2008 too... So what.
tom_kelly
(962 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)SusanLarson
(284 posts)Sanders doesn't have to win, he just has to keep Clinton from reaching the required 2,383 pledged delegates before the convention. Getting more pledged delegates than her would simply be icing on the cake. She has 1,715 there are 1060 still available. She needs 668 of those which she can't get.
The media keeps throwing in the super delegates which do not count until the convention to make it seem she has already got enough to win, and her supporters have been dumb enough to buy that narrative thus their smugness.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,026 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Bernie did in WV really paid off. And the rallies in Sacramento and Stockton and win in Indiana are an indication of more great news. Hopefully, more and more folks contribute, too.
K&R
polly7
(20,582 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)midnight
(26,624 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)"...when she beat then-candidate Barack Obama by more than 40 percent."
.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Progressive dog
(6,921 posts)http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-supporters-boost-bernie-sanders-west-virginia-n571791
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Ditch the candidate who is stuck in the 20th century, and give the party a chance to win the GE.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)if we miss this chance to nominate Bernie Sanders and instead Hillary steals the nomination with the SD's and she ultimately loses to Trump, that will be the end of the Democratic party.... Maybe the start of a Progressive party but certainly an end to the Democratic party.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)Either grab the golden ring now, a generational opportunity that would be sheer stupidity not to take advantage of.
Or we take the long road as you've described. I would hope, that after Hillary loses to Trump, the whole party apparatchik will be revamped and the third-wayers thrown out on their petards, and the focus once again going to 99% of Americans, or there will be a split, with the white collar elite corporate stooges clinging onto the party name, and a new party formed to take up the traditional Democratic values left by the wayside.
Loki
(3,825 posts)Bernie lost by double digits. But you don't like those numbers do you. The ones who voted for him were supposedly "Independents" who will vote for The Big Baby in November even if Sanders is the nominee. Not much of a win if you need Republican spoilers who will never vote for you except to vote against Hllary. West Virginia voted against a black man in the 2008 election. Mostly white Christian conservatives who will always vote against their best interests, always.