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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:12 AM May 2016

House GOP floats $23B in food stamp cuts in budget package

Source: CBS

WASHINGTON -- Republicans controlling the House are proposing $23 billion worth of food stamp cuts over the coming decade. They are part of a $170 billion spending cut package aimed at getting tea party lawmakers to vote for a broader 10-year budget plan.

The food stamp cuts would be to benefits for able-bodied recipients without children and those who receive a greater benefit because they also qualify for home-heating subsidies. They are a small part of the 10-year, approximately $720 billion budget for the program.

GOP leaders have struggled to win enough support among Republicans for their broader budget plan since it permits higher agency budget levels than last year's budget deal.

It's not clear the package of binding "sidecar" spending cuts will add enough support to pass the GOP budget.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-gop-floats-food-stamp-cuts-in-effort-to-revive-budget/

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House GOP floats $23B in food stamp cuts in budget package (Original Post) n2doc May 2016 OP
More than $20 billion for farm subsidies Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #1
Thank you ... Jopin Klobe May 2016 #28
BOOO! From the Needy to the Greedy...typical GOP, but WRONG! downeastdaniel May 2016 #2
Quite literally, for every dollar spent in SNAP benefits, $1.79 is created for the economy. glowing May 2016 #3
Great Point modrepub May 2016 #18
Even Scrooge Pakid May 2016 #4
The GOP needs to go SmittynMo May 2016 #5
Why cut benefits for those who need home-heating subsidies? raging moderate May 2016 #6
Because the rich want more of our tax dollars is why they cut subsidies to the poor! Dustlawyer May 2016 #11
If I had to guess, it would be that ... surrealAmerican May 2016 #15
Yes, that's what I think, too. raging moderate May 2016 #22
They forget it's called the "united states" -it will affect everyone. Whether these traitors jtuck004 May 2016 #35
How about one less fighter jet and we keep the food benefits? FLPanhandle May 2016 #7
Think of what we could do kacekwl May 2016 #10
No problem with me Victor_c3 May 2016 #8
Even though for your entire adult life you have been living off the Federal teat. Nice. Kip Humphrey May 2016 #24
tone sometimes is a hard thing for me to convey or pickup from stuff that I read and post on forums Victor_c3 May 2016 #33
Thanks for clarifying. I would ask you to consider not giving up... Kip Humphrey May 2016 #34
I do live about three hours north of philly... Victor_c3 May 2016 #37
I would be honored to be a member of your platoon in this revolution for democracy Kip Humphrey May 2016 #38
Likewise Victor_c3 May 2016 #39
More guns! Less Butter! Fairgo May 2016 #9
Isn't that what caused the fall of the USSR? WhiteTara May 2016 #30
Right to life ends at birth dembotoz May 2016 #12
F 35 cost Botany May 2016 #13
Kick em when they're down? abelenkpe May 2016 #14
republicans are greedy disgusting scum that always take away from the poor MariaThinks May 2016 #16
They really do hate the poor, don't they? kentauros May 2016 #17
So starve to death or freeze to death. Take your pick. LannyDeVaney May 2016 #19
Suggested by those with NO soul benld74 May 2016 #20
They are pretty sure they will never atone for their evil acts. n/t Judi Lynn May 2016 #29
President Obama signs $8.7 billion food stamp cut into law jtuck004 May 2016 #21
I can imagine Noam Chomsky saying "I tried to tell you all" ........... Old Vet May 2016 #23
K & R MoreGOPoop May 2016 #25
So this is the "Shut the fuck up and starve" program. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #26
Soulless heartless Faux pas May 2016 #27
In the years leading up to this 2016 election almost everyone jwirr May 2016 #31
Well in all fairness Obama has been happy to go along n2doc May 2016 #32
Yes, I am very upset that he has let the poor down in such jwirr May 2016 #36
Do they expect people to just lay down and starve? Marrah_G May 2016 #40
Oh no,the christian Taliban would never allow that n2doc May 2016 #41
Let Jesus feed them I guess. Vinca May 2016 #42
GOP House has to go andym May 2016 #43

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
1. More than $20 billion for farm subsidies
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:27 AM
May 2016

THE father of Major Major, a character in Catch 22, a novel by Joseph Heller, makes a good living not growing alfalfa. “The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn’t earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce.” Each day, Mr Major “sprang out of bed at the crack of noon... just to make certain that the chores would not be done.”

To this day, to be treated as a farmer in America doesn’t necessarily require you to grow any crops. According to the Government Accountability Office, between 2007 and 2011 Uncle Sam paid some $3m in subsidies to 2,300 farms where no crop of any sort was grown. Between 2008 and 2012, $10.6m was paid to farmers who had been dead for over a year. Such payments explain why Tom Vilsack, the agriculture secretary, is promoting a rule to attempt to crack down on payments to non-farming folk. But with crop prices now falling, taxpayers are braced to be fleeced again.





The 2014 bill, which passed with 68 votes in the Senate and comfortably in the House, at least nodded to reform. Most importantly Congress abolished direct payments based on land ownership. Instead, farmers now get more subsidised insurance, and new payments which are linked to past crop prices and productivity. Those not “actively engaged” in farming are in theory banned from collecting subsidies—though Congress delegated the task of defining who is really a farmer to Mr Vilsack’s department.

This new system was meant to save around $23 billion over a decade—partly through cuts to food stamps for hard-up families, a welfare programme which, oddly, is administered by the US Department of Agriculture (USDA). But because payments are linked to commodity prices and output, the new system could cost much more, says Vincent Smith, an agricultural economist at Montana State University. It could also get America into trouble with the World Trade Organisation if payments exceed certain thresholds.

Ominously, on February 10th the USDA predicted that net farm income would decline by 32% between 2014 and 2015. Commodities such as corn (which in America is used to produce everything from biofuel to syrup) and soya have become less valuable of late thanks to soaring supply and weak demand. Falling prices reduce the cost of subsidised crop insurance to the taxpayer (since less valuable crops cost less to insure). But those gains will be wiped out and more by the cost of compensating farmers for their lower incomes.

Any new rules designed to stop non-farmers from getting payments will be unlikely to work, predicts Mr Smith. While it may be possible to stop some landowners from claiming payments, they will adapt: “You hire a good agricultural lawyer and redefine the structure of the farm.” Many landowners have already found their way around similar rules introduced in the farm bill of 2008, nominating young children as farmers, or claiming to be engaged in farming by providing management advice. Alfalfa non-growers still have bumper times ahead.

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21643191-crop-prices-fall-farmers-grow-subsidies-instead-milking-taxpayers



Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
28. Thank you ...
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

... this should be posted everywhere ...

... and include the so-called "media" so-called "people" who have the same. sweet, taxpayer-money-sucking deals ...

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
3. Quite literally, for every dollar spent in SNAP benefits, $1.79 is created for the economy.
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:49 AM
May 2016

So, cutting the program is losing 41.2 billion in return value for the economy. WTF is wrong with these assholes? I thought they like businesses like Walmart?

modrepub

(3,496 posts)
18. Great Point
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

You're just removing this money from the grocery stores and other businesses that accept these benefits. Sure you may save a couple of pennies but you'll just be reducing downstream money flow not to mention adding more stress in areas where people will have less resources to live on.

Pakid

(478 posts)
4. Even Scrooge
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:55 AM
May 2016

Can't hold a candle to today's Republican when it comes to cruel. They have never meet a poor person they wouldn't shaft or a rich person they wouldn't help to get richer.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
5. The GOP needs to go
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:56 AM
May 2016

Elections in 2016 and 2018 are super important to get these assholes out of control. Let's do it.

raging moderate

(4,306 posts)
6. Why cut benefits for those who need home-heating subsidies?
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:04 AM
May 2016

I mean, what is their excuse for this? We all know they can't resist the opportunity to cause more different kinds of pain simultaneously in their victims.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
11. Because the rich want more of our tax dollars is why they cut subsidies to the poor!
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:31 AM
May 2016

The rich who donate large amounts of legal bribes to get what they want, the illegal but un-enforced Quid Pro Quo!

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
15. If I had to guess, it would be that ...
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:08 AM
May 2016

... this will disproportionately effect poor people in northern (i.e. more likely to be liberal) states.

They know the cuts will have a ripple effect to the economy. They want those ripples to be felt where they don't live.

raging moderate

(4,306 posts)
22. Yes, that's what I think, too.
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:20 PM
May 2016

I would love to hear their bizarre artsy-smartsy monkey with a parasol imitation of logic on this one.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
35. They forget it's called the "united states" -it will affect everyone. Whether these traitors
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:07 AM
May 2016

like it or not.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
7. How about one less fighter jet and we keep the food benefits?
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:11 AM
May 2016

I think the nation will survive without that jet.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
8. No problem with me
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:37 AM
May 2016

Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 11:16 AM - Edit history (1)

If people need food stamps they obviously are just lazy. In America anyone can be rich if they are willing to work hard enough. If you're rich then you can buy your own political candidate. If you can't buy your own political candidate then your opinion doesn't matter.

People get what you vote for! That's why I support candidates that favor the corporations and the rich. Fuck the poor and candidates like Bernie Sanders that don't receive contributions from the wealthy. That's why Hillary Clinton is my candidate!

Hey, I want the best presidential candidate my money can buy!!!!

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
33. tone sometimes is a hard thing for me to convey or pickup from stuff that I read and post on forums
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:30 AM
May 2016

I don't know if I come across that way, but I was attempting to be very sarcastic in my first post - actually in the last several posts of mine over the last several days. I believe absolutely nothing that I posted.

If Hillary Clinton is expected to be my candidate in the general election then I will only vote for her with a huge dose of cynicism and while withholding a huge mouthful of vomit. The only thing that can convince me to vote for Hillary is the fact that she stands to be in a position to appoint supreme court justices. Otherwise, I don't trust her to do anything better than Trump.

Part of the whole reason that I am on the federal teat and am permanently and totally disabled with PTSD is because of politicians like Hillary Clinton. I absolutely stand for nothing that her type believe in and could just about never bring myself to vote for a candidate like her. Corporate interests, bankers, and war are things that I can never stand behind.

Hillary and her ilk vote and stand for policies that will get them reelected and that will get them the most donations by their corporate sponsors. They care absolutely nothing about us "normal" folk.

So, in the mean time, I'm going to be the worst Hillary Clinton supporter ever. I'm going to loudly pretend to support exactly what she stands for and represents

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
34. Thanks for clarifying. I would ask you to consider not giving up...
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

Join me in Philadelphia for two potential purposes:
1. To be a physical presence outside the convention to voice support for Bernie Sanders in the face of a rigged convention, the result of massive election fraud and voter suppression virtually all of which favored Hillary.
2. In the event Bernie does not receive the Democratic nomination, to raise our voices to Bernie urging him to continue running until November as an Independent candidate,

Against Hillary and Trump, Bernie wins in the GE by the numbers. Organizing efforts are now underway by Bernicrats, independently of the campaign, for 1 million people to converge on the convention in Philly July 23rd to 25th. Whether or not 1 million show up, this will be the first massive representation of the peaceful revolution. Given the alternative choices available, you owe it to yourself to bring your body to Philadelphia. If Bernie loses the DWS-DNC nomination, I will be right outside to persuade him to run to November as an Independent. WILL YOU JOIN ME?


Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
37. I do live about three hours north of philly...
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

It'd be easy for me to head down there. I've done the drive several times and I used to live around the area. I'll just have to start now to convince my wife and kids that I need to be down there that weekend.

As a kid I grew up believing that the American Dream of class mobility and unlimited potential was available to all. I didn't realize that as a middle class white male that it really was only me who the dream was most available to.

I joined the military as a naive kid with the intention of making the world a better place. I didn't even see that there was a lot of work to be done in our own country. My military action service and good intentions were misused by the politicians we elected and it has destroyed my life. I accomplished nothing that I had intended to accomplish with my service. To be a part of the movement Bernie Sanders represents would give me a sense of fulfillment in my life that I never got from my military service.


I want all of the people in our nation to have the same chance to raise healthy and well educated children as I do. That is a movement I'm willing to give everything for.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
39. Likewise
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:38 PM
May 2016

I'm a true believer in what I'm willing to fight for.

From my experiences fighting in Iraq against people who truly believe that they were fighting for the good of their communities I can attest to the fact that a "true believer" is a hard adversary to defeat - if not an impossible person to defeat.

I hate the reference to violence and that is the last thing I want. I've seen first hand what it is and what it does to people and families. However I'm not afraid to be firm and stand for what I believe in.

Thank you for energizing me and giving me hope.

Botany

(70,522 posts)
13. F 35 cost
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

F-35A: $98M (low rate initial production without engine, full production in 2018 to be $85M) F-35B:
US$104M (low rate initial production without engine) F-35C: US$116M (low rate initial production
without engine)


MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
16. republicans are greedy disgusting scum that always take away from the poor
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:46 AM
May 2016

in their other hand they'll pass tax cuts for the casino owners

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
17. They really do hate the poor, don't they?
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:07 AM
May 2016

And I strongly suspect that they never got the satire of the Dead Kennedys' cut "Kill the Poor"



Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done

Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home...

The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonite

Gonna
Kill kill kill
Kill the poor
Kill the poor ...
Tonite

Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone
Feel free again
O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White

Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it's okay
So let's get dressed and dance away the night

While they
Kill the poor
Kill the poor ... Tonite
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
21. President Obama signs $8.7 billion food stamp cut into law
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-signs-food-stamp-cut

The Farm Bill, he said, would “give more Americans a shot at opportunity.”

Yeah. The opportunity for a hungry kid to find out what it is like to have your millionaire president take the food from your mouth. So the butler brings his family the best food, and the kid may get a sandwich at 11 when the free lunch program opens on Monday.

Too bad they can't eat excuses.

Btw, we had about 26 million people on food stamps before our Financial Theft, and the "recovery". Today:



Here.


No. More.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
23. I can imagine Noam Chomsky saying "I tried to tell you all" ...........
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

But nobody listened............

MoreGOPoop

(417 posts)
25. K & R
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:14 PM
May 2016

I smell torch fumes and hear the distant drums of despair approaching.
It appears that starving off the masses would go a long way toward
solving the problems of the 1%, namely - their fear of said masses.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
31. In the years leading up to this 2016 election almost everyone
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:46 PM
May 2016

on this site would have been upset for this. Not anymore. Vote for Hillary.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
36. Yes, I am very upset that he has let the poor down in such
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

a way and it is not the first time.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
40. Do they expect people to just lay down and starve?
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:18 PM
May 2016

Also, they are fucking over grocery stores who will lose business.

Maybe they could just make it easy for people and legalize assisted suicide. Sigh.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
41. Oh no,the christian Taliban would never allow that
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

The ultimate goal seems to create a miserable bottom class that will do anything for a few crusts of bread. Like the middle ages all over again.

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